GUILTY FL - Wayne Treacy for savage beating of 15yo girl, Deerfield Beach, 17 March 2010

[Belinda]

southern - I think you are confused a little bit. This is the start of Thread 2, but no one has posted yet. Salem's link above is for Thread 1, which is now closed. Hope this helps.

 

[2goldfish]

Originally Posted by oh_gal View Post
On the Today Show this morning, newly disclosed jailhouse tapes of JR's attacker were released.

In this clip, at around timestamp 2:39, JR's attacker is talking to his stepfather about JR and one of the texts that preceded the attack, and the stepfather says something like, "I'm tellin' you, Bro, I got more hatred towards her and her mother than you had the day you did what you did."

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/261848...75133#37775133

That statement just blew my mind. Anyone else?

I don't know much about this family's dynamics. Can anyone shed some light onto why the stepfather would say such an awful thing? It's like he's totally ignoring what his stepson did to this girl -- as if she started it by her comment about the dead brother. Is that what's at the heart of his statement about having hatred for her and her mom, or did they do something else to further spark his hatred?

The Today show didn't say much in terms of background info to set up the segment, and didn't say much afterwards regarding the stepfather's statement, which I also find bizarre.

just bringing that over from the last thread, maybe cause it was at the end it didnt get the attention I thought it deserved. I feel sure I am not the only one shocked.


Because if I were him and that were my son, I would be hard pressed to come up with something more irresponsible than that.

 

[Belinda]

I saw the interview that WT's parents did and the stepfather was very rude, in-you-face the whole time. I wasn't surprised at all that he would say something that stupid, but it still made me really, really mad. How irresponsible to be saying hateful things like that. No concern for Josie or her family, just hate. What a bunch of losers

 

[VespaElf]

Have ALL the texts that Josie sent been released yet?I know there were reports that the attacker has since said they "weren't that bad" but I am still curious what this little girl could have possibly said to "set him off".

 

[Wise Old Owl]

Have ALL the texts that Josie sent been released yet?I know there were reports that the attacker has since said they "weren't that bad" but I am still curious what this little girl could have possibly said to "set him off".

"THE" one that set him off was very simple in form - she told him "Go visit your dead brother". That's about it - I know if you go back in this thread and follow the links you'll find it. But it was that simple.

I think what set him off more than that was the rapist comments - JMO.

 

[2goldfish]

Have ALL the texts that Josie sent been released yet?I know there were reports that the attacker has since said they "weren't that bad" but I am still curious what this little girl could have possibly said to "set him off".

they all were i believe....one moment to search and I will update with link.

eta:

here is the last bit, there was a link from beginning to end but dead now and I cant find it :blushing:

here is a recent pic of josie that beanE posted that I "borrowed" for this thread

 

[2goldfish]

here is a newer report I havent seen, attacker living on cookies and beans. at least he doesnt have a long painful nasty recovery ahead of him. sigh. although I still feel he hadn't a chance with that family of his.

another interesting once from josie's dad who isnt deceased, evidently, hence he thinks she did not send the texts to begin with.

The argument started when Treacy sent a text message that said he wanted to talk to Manson, and the responder accused him of being a "rapest [sic]" for his interest in the young girl. Treacy said he believed the messages were from Ratley.

"Um sorry ur father abused u, but u shouldn't take out on others," Treacy wrote, according to the transcript.

"Mi dads dead *****," came the response.

Storm Ratley, a carpenter who lives in Georgia but has been staying at a Fort Lauderdale hotel to be closer to his daughter, said he's never been accused of abusing her and doubts she would claim he was dead.

 

[southernvagirl]

"THE" one that set him off was very simple in form - she told him "Go visit your dead brother". That's about it - I know if you go back in this thread and follow the links you'll find it. But it was that simple.

I think what set him off more than that was the rapist comments - JMO.

Exactly,,,ITA,,,He was threatening, saying he wanted to hurt her or kill her, before she ever said anything about his brother, if my memory has not gone completely on vacation.....Also, I would like very much to hear from others here about the possibility of the girlfriend who is 13, starting the instigation because her BFF would not let her talk to her boyfriend when she wanted to.....I saw the interview where the 13 yr old said the "c" word twice, and I fail to see the pain and hurt from her, knowing she was the one who could have stopped him from almost killing the girl....nevermind the fact the 13 yr old lead him to her.....IMO, it is almost like she wanted this to happen...

 

[SkewedView]

Exactly,,,ITA,,,He was threatening, saying he wanted to hurt her or kill her, before she ever said anything about his brother, if my memory has not gone completely on vacation.....Also, I would like very much to hear from others here about the possibility of the girlfriend who is 13, starting the instigation because her BFF would not let her talk to her boyfriend when she wanted to.....I saw the interview where the 13 yr old said the "c" word twice, and I fail to see the pain and hurt from her, knowing she was the one who could have stopped him from almost killing the girl....nevermind the fact the 13 yr old lead him to her.....IMO, it is almost like she wanted this to happen...

I whole heartedly agree on the first part, but for the rest...

I have to say, I just don't get it. Your theory is that Josie didn't let K text with T, making her mad, so K texts to T on the phone she wasn't being allowed to use to tell T he needed to leave her alone? :waitasec: Also, if she was intent on seeing Josie get beaten, wouldn't she have stayed to watch and egged T on, rather than having just pointed her out and walked off to get on her bus (which is what she did, even the prosecutors agree).

With regards to the interview - IMO her flat speaking style is characteristic of those with stage fright being forced to do public interviews (I'm the same way), not to mention she's had plenty of time to work through her emotions since the attack, so I didn't really expect any tears or whatever in that interview. As far as the C word usage, well, she was quoting the texts, so I don't really see the issue there other than it being one of George Carlin's unspeakable words.

On being 'the one who could have stopped him' and having led him to her, I really don't see how she was supposed to magically know that he was intent on murder when no one else would have predicted it (especially given his lack of a weapon and that the first girl he accosted thinking she was Josie was not harmed), and IMO when a girl is dating a guy, the last thing she expects him to be is homicidal or the type of guy that would beat a girl. Other than just because LE said so, I really don't see any good reason to believe that K knew or even suspected his intent - and if she didn't, then she is only guilty of trusting her boyfriend to be a relatively normal human being not a (insert what I know you are thinking of him here), and is just another one of his victims, as is her family. If they can prove it in court, fine - but extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof, and I have yet to see anything that remotely qualifies.

What caught my attention in that interview was that I was right - K is getting death threats, is completely isolated and her family is terrified. IMO, thanks to Florida's insane lack of privacy laws, this girl has a very good chance of winding up dead or seriously injured before she ever gets to trial, either at the hands of some nutter or by her own hand once it sinks in that regardless of what happens in court, her life is over. I wouldn't be surprised if her aunt or cousin end up hurt either - arson is a favorite tool of vigilantes, and the only time K is outside is to pick up her cousin from the bus, making him vulnerable too.

I have to say I'm horrified at Florida - no other state that I know of (please correct me if I'm wrong) would allow a thirteen year old girl's identity to be paraded around in the media like this who has not been charged as an adult and in fact has yet to go to trial and is thus supposed to be presumed innocent - and there is a good reason for that. She is a child and cannot protect herself or just pick up and move on, and even if she is found to have done wrong, the whole point of the Juvenile system is to allow for the fact that kids screw up, make dumb decisions that don't necessarily reflect any true malice on their part. If she was deserving of having her life wrecked, then she should have been charged as an adult. Since she wasn't, regardless of the results of the trial she has been dealt a grave injustice by the people of Florida IMO, and this is not the kind of low, slimy thing that should be going on in the name of justice for Josie as far as I'm concerned.

I have more thoughts on K's charges, but I've ranted enough to test everyone's patience I'm sure, so I'll just stop here and reiterate that this is all just my take on things, and I picked the name Skewed View for a reason, so I'm not expecting anyone to agree with me on this one. Sorry if I'm ther_beatingA_Dead here.

 

[2goldfish]

I also dont hold blame for Treacy's gf nor the other people who told/texted that he was gonna kill someone.

it's not an uncommon phrase - I am gonna him him/her when I see him/her - I think it's much more rare that's said literally. as terribly as I feel for josie and her family I dont think the other kids could possibly be held responsible for assuming he was not wholly serious.

I dont believe the gf would have truly led him to josie if she knew he was 100% serious.

 

[kbl8201]

i would really like more updates on josie cause reading about the punk and his 'dad' is making me naseous

 

[reen]

another interesting once from josie's dad who isnt deceased, evidently, hence he thinks she did not send the texts to begin with.

Details like this are what led me to believe that some of the messages came from KM, and a couple (like the "rapest" one) from Josie. In interviews KM says the only ones she saw *between Treacy and Josie* were the "rapest" and c-bomb messages.

Also, I'm not clear about KM's family. It seems she has an aunt, grandmother, and a "guardian" - who is that? Or is the guardian her aunt? And is her father deceased?

 

[2goldfish]

i would really like more updates on josie cause reading about the punk and his 'dad' is making me naseous

I googled, nothing this week, all the attacker feels guilty etc

Details like this are what led me to believe that some of the messages came from KM, and a couple (like the "rapest" one) from Josie. In interviews KM says the only ones she saw *between Treacy and Josie* were the "rapest" and c-bomb messages.

Also, I'm not clear about KM's family. It seems she has an aunt, grandmother, and a "guardian" - who is that? Or is the guardian her aunt? And is her father deceased?

I can't figure it out. I havent followed her or him really, just updates on Josie. so I have to go google the rest!

 

[elle1919]

I can't tell if this was posted earlier since we have the new thread so I decided just to post it anyway. It appears that jailhouse conversations were released of WT and his parents http://cbs4.com/local/josie.ratley.wayne.2.1757900.html

snip~The tapes of jailhouse conversations between a teen suspected of beating a Deerfield Beach teen and his parents were released Thursday and they paint a picture of a remorseful person who hopes to leave jail soon.

More than 12 hours of conversations between Wayne Treacy, 15, and his parents were released to two South Florida media outlets including the South Florida Sun-Sentinel, which had requested the tapes under the public records law.

In the 32 recordings, Treacy has conversations with his mother, Donna Powers, and stepfather, Cary Smith, expressing his thoughts on everything from the bad food in jail to regret over his actions. ~ end

I am currently looking for a link to the tapes, not that I look forward to listening to his (garbage) explanations, however might be worth having a link handy come trial time.

 

[elle1919]

Okay I am almost sick now, did anyone else read this?

A snippet reported here: http://www.wpbf.com/news/23960362/detail.html

snip~While Treacy said he feels sorry, his stepfather told Treacy that he feels differently.

"The average human being would've done the same thing," Carey Smith said.

Treacy's stepfather talked about his hatred for Ratley.

"She texted, 'You were a rapist,' and then you text back, and then one of her texts is, 'You make me giggle,'" Smith said in the tapes. "You know how I feel now, don't you? Do I have to say it? She ain't giggling now, is she? I'm telling you, bro. I got more hatred toward her and her mother than you had the day you did what you did."

During another conversation with his parents, Treacy said, "I don't need prison. I need counseling, and a lot of it."

He remains in jail without bail.

Ratley is home re-learning basic skills, like walking and dressing herself. ~ end

This man is cruel and should not be allowed around children in my opinion. Just sick

 

[kbl8201]

this family isnt much diffrent from the anythoys from where im sitting

 

[Belinda]

I was deeply, deeply disturbed by the things the stepfather said. It seems, with this type of influence in his life, we can see why this kid is such a loose cannon. His stepfather is egging him on all the way. I am so disgusted I can barely stand it. Who in the hell does this think he is? He hates Josie and her family? That is pretty rich, isn't it? I hope he is vilified in his community for the things he has said to that boy.

 

[SkewedView]

Details like this are what led me to believe that some of the messages came from KM, and a couple (like the "rapest" one) from Josie. In interviews KM says the only ones she saw *between Treacy and Josie* were the "rapest" and c-bomb messages.

Also, I'm not clear about KM's family. It seems she has an aunt, grandmother, and a "guardian" - who is that? Or is the guardian her aunt? And is her father deceased?

Here's the problem with Josie's 'Dad's' input - from the same article:

Storm Ratley conceded he had not seen his daughter for five years before the beating, and occasionally spoke to her over the phone.



He really wouldn't know what language she uses around other kids when angry, so his input is about worthless here - especially since he implies that the molesting accusation comes from Josie's side of the conversation, which it doesn't - that was Treacy trying to be clever 'yo mama' style IMO, while the thing about 'Dad' being dead seems to be an attempt by her to get him to shut up about him, also IMO. I'd need a heck of a lot more than that for this 'K schemed to get Josie killed' theory to make any sense to me, sorry.

As far as K's family situation goes, I think it's just her, her aunt, cousin and grandma, but not at all positive on that one, so don't quote me lol.

 

[elle1919]

Bumping up for Josie

 

[2goldfish]

This man is cruel and should not be allowed around children in my opinion. Just sick

my snip ITA I do believe we can see what got Treacy to the place he was, what kind of parent teaches that?

this family isnt much diffrent from the anythoys from where im sitting

different means, same end, aint it?

I was deeply, deeply disturbed by the things the stepfather said. It seems, with this type of influence in his life, we can see why this kid is such a loose cannon. His stepfather is egging him on all the way. I am so disgusted I can barely stand it. Who in the hell does this think he is? He hates Josie and her family? That is pretty rich, isn't it? I hope he is vilified in his community for the things he has said to that boy.

I was shocked & horrified as well. Of all the times a parent or step-parent may wonder where they went wrong....but he's playing a whole new game. what a thing to say! "she aint giggling now"? who says this crap? who thinks it??


eta I know I'm in the superminority here but I agree that Treacy needs removed from his parents' influence first of all and major counselling, the fact that he does feel bad shows that he might be all right in the long run ....in his comments a lot of the sorry for josie was followed by REALLY sorry for himself but what else was he taught :/