FLDS compound in Texas Court proceedings ONLY please!!!!!

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NANCY GRACE SHOW:
NANCY GRACE
Showing Clip of women at the ranch talking.
How old is the youngest girl married out here?
Probably 16. (replies an older woman)

Clip of Marilyn in the compound talking. Clip of a man walking to the court
More of the clip of the women.

NANCY: "That's all they want to talk about. They don't want to talk about girls as young as 13 forced to give birth. All the children they don't know how old they are, no birth certificates. It's the biggest mess in Texas child care history.

Sean: Right now something significant. The first time the defense attorney's have been interested in cross examining a CPS official. She presented damning evidence. What we hear is that there is a girl named Sarah and she does have a child. At one point the women stopped cooperating with the CPS and then Merrill Jessop said to start cooperating and all of them started cooperating. Talking about the safe opening and the documents found.
The reason this is important. This is a 14 day hearing, must be held after children are removed from a house. If she finds there is no evidence, she'll turn them back over to the families.

NANCY: If Judge Walters finds there is child abuse. That's clearly shown by these documents. If she believes those were found in a secret safe is that enough or does she have to do each case separately?

In normal child abuse or welfare cases, the child would be removed. Do you remove the kids from the house or the whole compound. interesting to see how Judge Walters rules on this.

The Clip of the women and Marilyn again...

Nancy: they're emotional but still managing to dodge questions about underage girls. The biggest child abuse bust in Texas history.

Caller from NM: Are those women getting to see their children?
Sean: No. If there are allegations of abuse, physical or otherwise, the first thing is to get the children out of that situation. Talks about witness tampering with the cell phones. etc..

Nancy: you said one word from Jessop and the women changed their tune.
He's the leader since Jeffs was sentenced. He is the acknowledged leader out here. One word was all it took for those women to step back and cooperate.

NANCY: "This is about the systematic child abuse of children. How can these women stand by and say its sacred when children of 13 are being abused.
These women were probably raped and abused themselves. Talks about one of the women on the clip - she's in a disassocative state.

Carolyn Jessop: I"m glad these children's rights are being protected. The American public needs to realize this is about child abuse, not about religion or polygamy. Merrill Jessop was abusive to all the children, and expert at pitting his wives against each other. They don't dare not snap to when he orders you. He can use violence, or against the children.

The other element he determines the status that his wife has in the family. If you have a lower status you may be abused and assigned jobs no one wants to do and your children will be deprived of fun activities. He'll do whatever is necessary to maintain the level of control he has to have.

Merrill did a form of water torture on babies "breaking them" he would spank them until they cried out of control and then he would hold them under water. He'd take them out and spank them again and do it again. It was to instill an extreme fear of their father but do it at an age where later they wouldn't remember it. He did it to my child, I can't talk about it without tears, pregnant and I was terrified. I didn't dare say anything, he would hurt my baby worse. He didn't do it in front of me again, but he did it with several of my babies but not in front of me.

Kathy: She's right, the community is expert at breaking down relationships between parents, mothers especially. I have not heard any of the mothers say they're worried about what the children are feeling, they're worried about them being missing or not being home but not once have I heard them say I wonder what my baby is doing.
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"President of the Texas bar: The reports I get back from the ad litems, the children are not opening up to their lawyers. They're trying to have an age appropriate discussion with them. It's going to take more than
one conversation with them, going to take time."
 
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7:56 p.m. - An attorney representing four mothers steps forward to say that none of the evidence and pleadings involves her clients and their children.
"Nevertheless, they are detained at the (San Angelo) coliseum," said the attorney whose firm represents more than 40 mothers.
"There is no mother at the coliseum or at the Wells Fargo Pavilion that is an adult or that everyone agrees is an adult that is detained," the judge said. "Your clients, the mothers, are not being held by this court."
"I'm supposed to tell the mother of my 2-year-old that she's free to go?" the attorney said.
Meanwhile, the child stays.
The sect members in the auditorium applaud loudly as the attorney drives home her point.
"Then if you're going to take the position these women are being detained, then they can't stay unless they sign something that says they want to stay," the judge said.

http://www.gosanangelo.com/news/2008/apr/17/live-from-the-courthouse-updates-ON-FLDS-CUSTODY/
 
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9 p.m. - The judge finishes up with a final question and leaves the bench.
A San Angelo police officer walks through asking everyone to wrap it up because the building is closing. Few people remain.
Outside, an FLDS woman and man walk into the night.
 
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If the children aren't there, the welfare checks stop. Hopefully the compound will be forced to close down!

Unfortunately, then the tax dollars go towards this long drawn out trial for years.
 
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I agree. The first thing that should have happened here is to shut down the money. That would have brought the SLDS leadership to the negotiating table quickly. Instead the state of Texas is spending in excess of $60,000.00 per/day to "hold" these children in what must be to them a very unkind environment.
 
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IF those kids are being fed and taken care of, instead of beaten and raped, then the $60,000.00 is worth it. imo of course.
 
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KR2tonenow said:
If the children aren't there, the welfare checks stop. Hopefully the compound will be forced to close down!

Unfortunately, then the tax dollars go towards this long drawn out trial for years.
Click to expand...

I don't think they have been able to draw welfare here in TX as they have been in other states. Maybe some food stamps and WIC, but not actual checks. It's much harder to qualify for financial help here. But, you're right...if they were getting help, and the children are no longer there, the help should stop automatically.
 
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Ca-Sun, it sure is. Thanks for the heads up!
 
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Anything happening in the courthouse today?
 
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9:52 a.m. - A child's attorney protests that the children were interviewed without parents present.
That's the proper procedure, a prosecutor says.
The judge asks the child's attorney whether she's proposing that a possible perpetrator be present during CPS interview. No, the attorney says.
Under questioning, Voss says specific men in the community are suspected perpetrators of child abuse.

http://www.gosanangelo.com/news/2008/apr/18/live-from-the-courthouse-day-2-of-updates-from/
 
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