Flds - Follow The Money

[mysteriew]

Was there welfare fraud in Eldorado?
http://www.statesman.com/blogs/cont...008/04/28/was_there_welfare_fraud_in_eld.html

 

[FlowerChild]

Was there welfare fraud in Eldorado?
http://www.statesman.com/blogs/cont...008/04/28/was_there_welfare_fraud_in_eld.html

They don't get "welfare" in Texas (they don't own the town/local Govt here and "welfare" would require documentation and supervision by the REAL Govt.). What they DO get is....WIC, Food Stamps, Section 8 (or similar) Housing Subsidies and other assistance that is designed to benefit poor single mothers, the working poor and transient populations (like farm workers).

They are living on a property WORTH over 20 MILLION$$$ and they have husbands (spiritual ones) who make HUGE amounts of money (not personally, but for for the "collective" UEP) and are certainly not starving or homeless - and yet WE are giving them subsidies for FOOD, CLOTHING and HOUSING needs. Subsidies that other women can't get or qualify for.

Isn't it nice that WE are helping support women who give their 14 year old daughters to OLD MEN so they can be impregnated and once they have a child - themselves go and collect assistance?

My Opinion

 

[mollymalone]

How about Voter Registration? The FLDS have been controlling the school boards in Colorado City and Hildale, even though they have pulled all of their children out of the schools. They have been voting crooked judges into office, etc. I am curious if the women were permitted to register to vote, or if their rights under the 19th Amendment to the US Constitution have been violated. If they were registered to vote, there should be documentation of their proof of identity. If the women were forced to vote in accordance with the leaders directive, there could be massive voter fraud going on. Another Federal crime.

Now that's a question I hadn't considered. I'd read that they all vote the way their prophet tells them to, but I guess I'd assumed that meant the men only, but with 10,000 members, (does that number count the children or not?) that's some serious voting power for a local, regional or state candidate.

 

[mollymalone]

To give an idea of how much taxpayer money has been enriching the FLDS and people like the polygamist Tom Green, this is an excerpt from Under the Banner of Heaven by Jon Kraukauer.

"Investigators from the Utah attorney General's office have documented that between 1989 and 1999, Tom Green and his dependents received more than $647,000 in state and federal assistance, including $203,000 in food stamps and nearly $300,000 in medical and dental expenses. These same investigators estimate that had they been granted complete access to pertinent government files as far back as 1985, when Green began his polygamous lifestyle, they would have been able to show that Green received well over $1 million in welfare."

That's $1,150,000 in two years for just ONE family.

Now, add in all those other FLDS families that had the same amount of dependents and those that have more wives and children than Green had, that live in Utah or filed for benefits in Utah and live elsewhere.... and multiply those figures (or more) for about the same time frame. Add in those who live in and filed in Arizona and those who filed there but live elsewhere. Add in Nevada. Add in the Canadian welfare benefits for the FLDS members who receive benefits.

The amount is staggering.

Now, just because officials in South Dakota, Colorado or elsewhere say that they don't have records of anyone from the local compounds/ranches filing for welfare, that doesn't mean they haven't filed in another town or state using a different address.

I've read that some families get as much as 2000 dollars a month OR MORE in tax payer subsidies. When you put that figure up against the persons who are more deserving of the help and can't get it.... and to what uses the FLDS is putting the money to....it's obscene.

 

[LinasK]

Now that's a question I hadn't considered. I'd read that they all vote the way their prophet tells them to, but I guess I'd assumed that meant the men only, but with 10,000 members, (does that number count the children or not?) that's some serious voting power for a local, regional or state candidate.

Just a wild guess, but I'm guessing they didn't vote for Hillary, because she's a female in power, not their idea of "keeping sweet"!

 

[mollymalone]

In "Under the Banner of Heaven by Jon Krakauer, he wrote:

"Despite the fact that Uncle Rulon and his followers regard the governments of Arizona, Utah
and the United States as Satanic forces out to destroy the UEP, their polygamous community
receives more than 6 million a year in public funds.

More than 4 million of government largesse flows each year in to the
Colorado City public school district-which according to the Phoenix New Times, is operated primarily
for the financial benefit of the FLDS Church
and for the personal enrichment of FLDS school district leaders.

Reporter John Doughtery determined that school administrators have plundered the district's treasury
by running up thousands of dollars in personal expenses on district credit cards, purchasing expensive
vehicles for their personal use and engaging in extensive travel.

Colorado City has received 1.9 million from the US. Dept of Housing and Urban Development to pave
its streets, improve the fire dept. and upgrade the water system. Immediately south of the city limits,
the federal government built a 2.8 million airport that serves almost no one beyond the fundamentalist
community.

"Uncle Rulon justifies all that assistance form the wicked government by explaining that really
the money is coming form the Lord... "We're taught that its the Lord's way of
manipulating the system to take care of his chosen people."

 

[mollymalone]

Just a wild guess, but I'm guessing they didn't vote for Hillary, because she's a female in power, not their idea of "keeping sweet"!

Definitely not. No woman is to be over a man in their eyes. We're not worthy. pfffft

 

[Jute]

http://www.childbrides.org/colorado_YFZ_exclusive_by_Krakauer.html
Eldorado Success

"Fundamentalist named David Steed Allred paid $1,394,000 for two 60-acre parcels of land six miles north of Mancos, a small community in Colorado's southwest corner. Allred, moreover, is presently maneuvering to purchase a third 60-acre parcel lying between the other properties, which would give the FLDS Church a private inholding of 180 contiguous acres entirely surrounded by publicly owned National Forest."

"The man who purchased the FLDS property in Colorado, David Allred, is the same man who purchased 1,691 acres for the FLDS Church outside of Eldorado, Texas in November 2003. In both cases Allred told local residents that he was buying the properties to use as a corporate hunting retreat for entertaining clients."

"The new compound is situated 7,900 feet above sea level, in the densely wooded foothills of the San Juan Mountains, perhaps the loveliest and most rugged peaks in Colorado. Wild game is abundant. Jeffs may have been made aware of the place by Sam Roundy, the police chief of Hildale, Utah, whose father and grandfather were raised in Durango, Colorado, 20 miles east Mancos."

This is sacrilege to me; they are depriving the public the right to view or access a large piece of Colorado's most beautiful areas in order to hide what they up doing. :furious:



ETA: Thank you for all of the information, Molly.

 

[Moe]

This really is the Taliban in America, we have to stop them. I hope the other states do something about this mess too, religious freedom is not about stealing, lying, pedophilia and cheating. All in the name of God, my butt.

 

[mollymalone]

This is sacrilege to me; they are depriving the public the right to view or access a large piece of Colorado's most beautiful areas in order to hide what they up doing. :furious:



ETA: Thank you for all of the information, Molly.

You're welcome. They've done the same thing in S.D. and in Crawford, Colorado and elswhere, putting up walls. The neighbors who were there before, the FLDS don't care about their rights either.

A peice of irony, the FLDS never bothered to get the mineral rights to their YFZ ranch, and there was oil found on the neighboring ranch. The neighbors actually DO have the mineral rights and the right to plant an oil derrick right smack dab in the middle of their compound to drill for the oil. :clap:

It's quite likely they didn't purchase the mineral rights in Colorado either.
I've read about the mineral rights in CO and if they didn't purchase the rights along with the property there the same thing can happen and they'll have no recourse.

 

[mollymalone]

http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,635205928,00.html
"I believe Warren Jeffs ran the FLDS Church and the UEP as an organized crime-type setup," Utah Attorney General Mark Shurtleff said Monday. "We just have to get the evidence to prove it." The attorney general said Jeffs and the FLDS Church are being looked at for "double books, cooking books, offshore accounts and fraud."
"We've been following closely what the special fiduciary is uncovering from records and so forth," he said. "It has been very informative, we'll say."

 

[mollymalone]

http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,635205928,00.html
"another FLDS property in Mexico, near Cancun. On Jeffs' wanted poster, it lists a possible location as
Quintana Roo, Mexico.

However, Mary Batchelor with the pro-polygamy group Principle Voices said she has been to the area and
no FLDS members are there. She said there is a colony of polygamists there but they are members of the
LeBaron family. There's only about eight homes there. It's not a very big community and they would know
if there are any other fundamentalists there," she said

http://www.mormonfundamentalism.com/ChartLinks/FLDSChurch.htm
" the FLDS Church has additional developing communities near Benjamin Hills, Mexico (south of Nogales
in the state of Sonora) and the other near Encinada, Baja (south of Tijuana)"

http://utahbooks.com/Colorado_City_Polygamists_3.htm
Q. It appears that Warren Jeffs is settling up other areas for his group.

A. Everyone now knows that Warren Jeffs has purchased property near Eldorado, Texas, in Schleicher
County. Three apartment-type complexes have been erected on the 1300 acre site, and at least two
more complexes are under construction. Allen Steed, ordained a patriarch by Warren Jeffs, is the man
in charge of this compound, called Yearning For Zion (YFZ). His counselors are Roy Steed, Ernie Jessop,
and David Allred. It is rumored that some of Warren’s loyal followers did not want to go to Mexico,
so the Texas compound was established to accommodate them. There is evidence that Warren Jeffs has at
least two other developing compounds as well: one near Benjamin Hills, Mexico, south of Nogales in the
state of Sonora; the other

The FLDS has long been familiar with Mexico and there are other polygamy groups there. Back in the
1940s John Barlow tried to establish a colony in Mexico in cooperation with Dare LeBaron, father of Ervil
LeBaron. But when Dare insisted on being the priesthood leader of the entire group, Barlow discontinued
participation. Reportedly, newspaper reporters have been searching Mexico for FLDS compounds by air.

RE Eldorado: "There’ll be one or possibly two high priests who will live in the new community with one or more
of their wives and families. Their other families will remain in Colorado City/Hildale or move to Mexico,
and the men will spend much time commuting back and forth."

 

[Floh]

http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,635205928,00.html
"I believe Warren Jeffs ran the FLDS Church and the UEP as an organized crime-type setup," Utah Attorney General Mark Shurtleff said Monday. "We just have to get the evidence to prove it." The attorney general said Jeffs and the FLDS Church are being looked at for "double books, cooking books, offshore accounts and fraud."
"We've been following closely what the special fiduciary is uncovering from records and so forth," he said. "It has been very informative, we'll say."

Ha! and that's just for starters! :clap:

 

[Floh]

http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,635205928,00.html
"another FLDS property in Mexico, near Cancun. On Jeffs' wanted poster, it lists a possible location as
Quintana Roo, Mexico.

However, Mary Batchelor with the pro-polygamy group Principle Voices said she has been to the area and
no FLDS members are there. She said there is a colony of polygamists there but they are members of the
LeBaron family. There's only about eight homes there. It's not a very big community and they would know
if there are any other fundamentalists there," she said

http://www.mormonfundamentalism.com/ChartLinks/FLDSChurch.htm
" the FLDS Church has additional developing communities near Benjamin Hills, Mexico (south of Nogales
in the state of Sonora) and the other near Encinada, Baja (south of Tijuana)"

http://utahbooks.com/Colorado_City_Polygamists_3.htm
Q. It appears that Warren Jeffs is settling up other areas for his group.

A. Everyone now knows that Warren Jeffs has purchased property near Eldorado, Texas, in Schleicher
County. Three apartment-type complexes have been erected on the 1300 acre site, and at least two
more complexes are under construction. Allen Steed, ordained a patriarch by Warren Jeffs, is the man
in charge of this compound, called Yearning For Zion (YFZ). His counselors are Roy Steed, Ernie Jessop,
and David Allred. It is rumored that some of Warren’s loyal followers did not want to go to Mexico,
so the Texas compound was established to accommodate them. There is evidence that Warren Jeffs has at
least two other developing compounds as well: one near Benjamin Hills, Mexico, south of Nogales in the
state of Sonora; the other

The FLDS has long been familiar with Mexico and there are other polygamy groups there. Back in the
1940s John Barlow tried to establish a colony in Mexico in cooperation with Dare LeBaron, father of Ervil
LeBaron. But when Dare insisted on being the priesthood leader of the entire group, Barlow discontinued
participation. Reportedly, newspaper reporters have been searching Mexico for FLDS compounds by air.

RE Eldorado: "There’ll be one or possibly two high priests who will live in the new community with one or more
of their wives and families. Their other families will remain in Colorado City/Hildale or move to Mexico,
and the men will spend much time commuting back and forth."

I have to wonder if more comes to light if Mexico will stand for it?

 

[mollymalone]

I have to wonder if more comes to light if Mexico will stand for it?

I've been trying to find out what Mexico's stance on polygamy is, and as far as I can tell it's not legal, but I'm not 100 percent certain. I haven't researched their laws on child abuse, incest and domestic violence yet, but I'd hope that if our govt. provides them with information that they'd check out those areas. I've also been trying to pin down just where the flds located in those areas.

 

[mollymalone]

This really is the Taliban in America, we have to stop them. I hope the other states do something about this mess too, religious freedom is not about stealing, lying, pedophilia and cheating. All in the name of God, my butt.

I agree with those sentiments!

 

[mollymalone]

Seth Jeffs, FLDS member and younger brother of Warren Jeffs was arrested. He was a courier for money (over $100,000) and documents to "the Prophet."

The car was weaving and he was pulled over for suspicion of being drunk, he was soon arrested for his admission of accepting money for sex. He was charged with prostitution and solicitation.
Who'd asked him for sex? Why his Uncle, another FLDS member, who admitted to paying Seth $5,000 for homosexual acts.

http://voluntaryxchange.typepad.com/voluntaryxchange/polygamy_flds/page/2/
The FLDS sect is thought to frown on homosexuality somewhat more than other faiths.

 

[mollymalone]

Nathaniel Allred, uncle to Seth Warren paid Seth $5,000 for sexual favors and the
car they were riding in was stopped by LE. Seth was charged with prostitution and
soliciting.

http://nvpolygamy.wordpress.com/category/mesquite/
NATHANIEL ALLRED

According to the Clark County Assessor, this house was purchased in
Oct. 2004, at a sale price of $600,000. The house is 4000 square
feet, has 4 bedrooms, 5 full bathrooms, and a pool. It butts up against
a golf course, and if it compares to his neighbors houses, Nathanael has
a great house. But where is Nathanael? Neighbors say they haven’t seen
his huge van parked in front for several weeks. Neighbors report that they
would
usually see Nathanael coming home after dark, and leaving before
sunrise, but recently, the house has been quiet.

 

[mollymalone]

http://nvpolygamy.wordpress.com/category/dagrow-truss/
The City of Mesquite gave Dagrow Truss one of the strangest lease/purchase deals around: construct a building on undeveloped city-owned land in a technology park, then occupy the site for five years. The City agreed to pay Dagrow’s initial construction costs, meanwhile, the company would slowly purchase a 15-acre parcel right next door at the bargain price of only $9,500 an acre. (The same land now sells for $400,000 an acre.)

The lease agreement was signed by Guy Allred. Everything, with the exception of Dagrow’s labor, was billed to the city. In other words, Dagrow Truss was reimbursed the total construction fee–over $1.6 million in taxpayer funds.

But the deal isn’t good enough for Dagrow. In the past year, company managers have been fighting with the city to change a “no flip” clause in the lease agreement. The clause is designed to keep speculators from buying cheap city land and selling it quickly for a profit–it also allows the city to cherry-pick businesses that will stay in Mesquite. T

his clause prevents Dagrow from selling the land for 10 years, and so Guy Allred wants the lease changed–a request he formally made to Mesquite city council through his attorney. Since June, Mesquite and Dagrow lawyers have been passing letters back and forth, making offers and counter offers. In the end, the city council voted Tuesday to reject Dagrow’s request, so Allred won’t get his way.

 

[mollymalone]

http://nvpolygamy.wordpress.com/category/dagrow-truss/
Dagrow Contracting has made a major change to their business license registration. Dagrow allowed their business license to go into default status, then they got a new business license under the name Dagrow Truss, Inc.

Interestingly enough, Dagrow also removed Guy Allred, Nephi Barlow, and Ben Barlow from their business license, replacing them with Lance Kerness. Mr. Kerness’s job is to register businesses and put himself on their officers list. Nevada corporate law allows someone unaffiliated with the business to be the registered agent and the officers. It does not force someone related to the business on the license. The reason many people register their businesses in Nevada is because of our loose corporate laws. It appears that Dagrow just caught up.