Fleet and Priscilla White speak out

I have always wanted to know exactly when FW began to realize there was no intruder. I assume that he went over there that morning as a supportive friend and never imagining that his friends were anything but victims.

I have just always been curious when the truth started to dawn on him. I don't believe there is anything at all that he "knows" that he hasn't shared with LE. I am just curious about his own dawning awareness and how soon it took hold.

It seems that it could have been very quickly. I'm sure the Rs team arraigning to speak with him even before LE was a red flag, and we know that he didn't agree with the Rs actions regarding the CNN interview, or their refusal to cooperate.

Hopefully we'll find out more. I have a feeling that a great deal of what he may reveal centers around the questionable behind the scenes actions between the Rs lawyers and the DAs office.

Hopefully he can offer more information regarding the case and/or evidence.
 
I think JR's behavior around the discovery of the body clued him in. IIRC he said he couldn't see anything in the dark. While JR seemed to know right where the body was and ran right to it? That's not enough evidence in a court of law obviously but what came after, with the lawyers and the attempts to throw suspicion on him and his wife? Once someone points a finger at you, could you ever have any doubt about their guilt?
 
Tadpole12;10530945[URL="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=43442&d=1399768155" said:
White's 3-18-14 memo to Boulder City Council.pdf[/url] (911.8 KB, 20 views)




From the minute JonBenet's body was found the Ramseys' criminal defense lawyers and their surrogates had two primary obstacles: Boulder police detectives and the White family, in their capacity as police witnesses. The interaction between Mr. de Raismes and Mr. Singular in
1997 was part of a strategy to compromise and deter the City`s police investigation. It was not a coincidence that Mr. Singular`s book positing "sex ring" theory of JonBenet`s death and describing his interactions with Mr. de Raismes in 1997 was published in May 1999, just as the Boulder grand jury was about to indict John and Patsy Ramsey based on Boulder police evidence.

It was not quite as easy to compromise the Whites, although they tried for years to dig up dirt on us using tabloid reporters and private investigators. There wasn't any, But, in February 2000, at a critical time for the Ramseys, Singular, with the assistance of the Daily Camera2 and District Attorney Hunter, publicized the story of "very believable" Nancy Krebs who was willingto spend hours telling lies about the Whites to Boulder detectives, the Boulder District Attorney,and journalists. It was not a coincidence that the February 25, 2000 Daily Camera article appeared just days before the Ramsey's first book, "The Death of Innocence". was published and the Ramseys embarked on a media blitz to promote their book, proclaim their innocence, andfurther discredit Boulder police officers and their investigation.

Obviously, the strategies to cripple the Boulder police investigation, ruin the Whites and generally protect the Ramseys were very successful: Following Mr. de Raismes' visit with Mr. Singular in 1997, the City was forced to cede control of the investigation to outside counsel with
obvious conflicts of interest with respect to the Ramseys` lawyers and John Ramsey`s former employer, Lockheed Martin Corporation: demoralized police detectives were assigned long task lists compiled by the new lawyers as preparation for a doomed grand jury that was delayed for
almost two years to accomodate the Ramseys; indictments of the Ramseys by the grand jury in October 1999 were not persued or even presented in open court as required by Colorado law, as the City and Boulder police looked on, mute; upon publication of the Daily Camera article in
February 2000, the Whites were instantly and hopelessly ruined as police and grand jury witnesses, despite the Boulder police "investigation" of Nancy Krebs' lies; the Ramseys' lawyers'
threats of litigation against the City paid off in 2003 with the transfer of the investigation to the Boulder District Attorney, Mary Lacy who would, in 2008, grant the Ramswys an effusiveapology and exoneration.

It is now perfectly obvious to us that throughout the period from December 26, 1996 until at least early 2009, the official investigation of the JonBenet Ramsey homicide has been under
the effective control of people within and outside government who did not want John or Patsy Ramsey charged with crimes in relation to the homicide of their daughter. As a result, and as a matter of self-protevtion, officials of the City of Boulder, its police department, the Boulder
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2 Beginning shortly after JonBenet's homicide and continuing at least through the 1998-1999 Boulder grand jury proceedings and the February 25, 2000 publication of the Krebs story, the leadership of the Boulder Daily Camera aggressively defended the interests of the Ramseys and took every opportunity to criticize the Boulder police investigation. In a January 19, 1997 editorial, Boulder Daily Camera Editor Barrie Hartman set the tone for the newspaper's subsequent reporting of the Ramsey homicide investigation: "I think most of the people in this townwant to reach out and embrace John and Patsey Ramsey. I confess that I am among those who believe clear down to their toenails that neither of the parents had anything to do with Jinbenet's death." It was under Mr. Hartman'sbyline that the Daily Camera published the Krebs article on February 25, 2000.

2
 
I think JR's behavior around the discovery of the body clued him in. IIRC he said he couldn't see anything in the dark. While JR seemed to know right where the body was and ran right to it? That's not enough evidence in a court of law obviously but what came after, with the lawyers and the attempts to throw suspicion on him and his wife? Once someone points a finger at you, could you ever have any doubt about their guilt?

I agree with this. FW left the R house with BR early that morning, dropping him off at his house, where a relative was staying with the White's own children. Then FW returned to the R house. I am sure he was observing the R's behavior at this point, and eventually began to feel that something was not right with the "kidnapping" scenario that was being put forth. He may have seen the RN at some point, and may have been familiar with Patsy's handwriting. But I agree that the "moment" dawned when he accompanied JR to the basement, where JR immediately made a beeline for the WC, and yelled at seeing the body before the lights were even turned on. FW also disagreed with the Rs lack of cooperation with police, and voiced this disapproval to JR in front of others. In fact, an argument ensued, and FW was asked to leave. Then the Rs began to make insinuations about the FW & PW to police, hinting how odd it was that a plate of cracked crab was kept aside for JB at the White's party (never admitting, of course, that it was THEY who asked the White's to save a plate of it for JB because she was too busy playing to eat). Patsy also told police that PW had a jacket like hers -even going so far as to try to infer that PW may have worn Patsy's jacket by mistake. By this time, the White's had to realize they were in the crosshairs.
 
I've read (maybe in Thomas's book) that Fleet White had a notepad and pen with him and made copious notes that fateful morning. That is documentation at it's finest.

What I wouldn't give to read those notes!
 
I've read (maybe in Thomas's book) that Fleet White had a notepad and pen with him and made copious notes that fateful morning. That is documentation at it's finest.

What I wouldn't give to read those notes!

Ha, really???

Wow, good for him.
 
12 MIKE KANE: After that ten o'clock deadline.
13 Do you remember?
14 JOHN RAMSEY: I think for the most part I
15 was on the first floor. I don't remember
16 specifically. But there was people in the living
17 room, so I was probably kind of back and forth.
18 And the police were in the kitchen.
19 MIKE KANE: Was Fleet talking to you at
20 all during that?
21 JOHN RAMSEY: Fleet was taking frantic
22 notes, I remember that. I noticed that it was a
23 yellow note pad, and he was just writing; writing,
24 writing, writing.
25 MIKE KANE: Do you know what he was writing?
0179
1 JOHN RAMSEY: I don't. No. No. I mean it
2 was like every little thing I had to do or should
3 do --
4 MIKE KANE: Did you find that odd?
5 JOHN RAMSEY: I guess at the time I thought
6 he was just trying to do whatever he could to
7 help, was my impression. And at the time, I didn't
8 find it odd.
9 MIKE KANE: Was he talking to you and
10 comforting you?
11 JOHN RAMSEY: I don't remember that he
12 was. Comforting that I remember was coming from
13 Father Rol. That's all I really remember
14 specifically.
 
12 MIKE KANE: After that ten o'clock deadline.
13 Do you remember?
14 JOHN RAMSEY: I think for the most part I
15 was on the first floor. I don't remember
16 specifically. But there was people in the living
17 room, so I was probably kind of back and forth.
18 And the police were in the kitchen.
19 MIKE KANE: Was Fleet talking to you at
20 all during that?
21 JOHN RAMSEY: Fleet was taking frantic
22 notes, I remember that. I noticed that it was a
23 yellow note pad, and he was just writing; writing,
24 writing, writing.
25 MIKE KANE: Do you know what he was writing?
0179
1 JOHN RAMSEY: I don't. No. No. I mean it
2 was like every little thing I had to do or should
3 do --
4 MIKE KANE: Did you find that odd?
5 JOHN RAMSEY: I guess at the time I thought
6 he was just trying to do whatever he could to
7 help, was my impression. And at the time, I didn't
8 find it odd.
9 MIKE KANE: Was he talking to you and
10 comforting you?
11 JOHN RAMSEY: I don't remember that he
12 was. Comforting that I remember was coming from
13 Father Rol. That's all I really remember
14 specifically.

Snort...
"Yellow note pad...writing, writing, writing, writing"

Kinda sounds like "Pricsilla had a similar jacket"
 
Snort...
"Yellow note pad...writing, writing, writing, writing"

Kinda sounds like "Pricsilla had a similar jacket"
ties right in with lawyering up so quickly (funny how FW wasn't part of that gathering) and FW being visited by the "investigative team" so soon (the day before the supposed date of deciding to lawyer up). JR was worrrrried about FW
 
Fleet and Priscilla White are two people I admire a great deal.

My feeling is they have very good reasons for doing things that may make confuse us at times. We don't know the whole story and if we ever do (please let us hear the whole story before I die) how they are proceeding could very well make sense.

The fact is the Whites are the most important witnesses in the JBR case IMO.

They should have been treated with dignity and gratitude. Instead Alex Hunter joined in the smearing of the Whites by giving that ridicules Nancy Krebbs story any credence.

Although I can't say I know them well I can tell you that the Whites have always been gracious and forthcoming when I have spoken with them. . And no I have not asked them about the day JonBenet was found. That would be rude IMO BUT believe me I would love to hear the full story.

On the cover of the Globe tabloid it had some silly headline like, "This man killed JonBenet" and it's some guy I have never seen before.

On a 48 Hours on OWN Erin Moriaty was talking about "Touch DNA" and she said, "The same type of DNA that cleared the parents of JonBenet Ramsey."

I don't know about you but I go through the ROOF at that type of stuff but you know what? I am tired. I bet a lot of us are.

We have been battling to get the truth out there since this happened.

Hopefully the Whites will be able to shed some harsh light on more of the truth so we can stop the misinformation that continues to this day.
 
The Whites have done nothing wrong. Why is it some want to accuse them and excuse the Ramseys?
 
https://bouldercolorado.gov/channel8/city-council-video-player-and-archive

Regular City Council Meeting 04-16
April 16, 2004

But who's this guy?
@1:15:55 .... Millar?
re: Brian Parkinson .... re: Bill Ramsey?

Brian Parkinson:
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Brian Parkinson's theory in a nutshell:
http://www.topix.com/forum/news/jonbenet-ramsey/TGKA8FR1EMJ7K7GQ2#c2
 
Youtube informed me that it was a "Private" video.

There was nothing but the Gumby Black Screen for me!
Oops! Try now. (I forgot to click the "Publish" button.)
 

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