Florida - Coronavirus Covid-19 #2

[FLmom777]

Ah, everything I see now clearly - and might be MOO misleading to those new to following, so I'll expound a little.

Thanks for the April 2020 link. That was on the cusp of even having COVID testing available in the US, so now I understand why the quote seemed so off. It was due to the fact that way back then, the testing wasn't available as it is now. In the beginning without testing, folks were depending on xrays and symptoms etc etc etc.

And yes, just a COVD + test doesn't kill someone. So having 6% die without pneumonia, or ARDS, or etc etc etc which folks die of when the disease progresses makes sense to me. It's almost always MOO moved into a secondary stage and tertiary stage of the disease for the virus to KILL someone. And by that time, it's the cascade events that does the killing, not the virus itself. MOO I would expect that 94% die of the secondary effects (pneumonia, heart failure, ARDS, etc etc)

I haven’t been able to find anything that says they stopped attributing suspected positive cases as Covid deaths. Another issue is that Dr. Birx said we were being “generous” with our counting cases, unlike other countries.

 

[MrX]

I haven’t been able to find anything that says they stopped attributing suspected positive cases as Covid deaths. Another issue is that Dr. Birx said we were being “generous” with our counting cases, unlike other countries.

But whatever they put on the death certificate, we still see a large increase in excess deaths - often substantially more than deaths attributed to Covid. The motorcycle and wood chipper examples were mostly cited by people who thought there was no Covid and that it was all invented by CNN and the New York Times. So if it's not Covid, then what killed everyone? (I know, those people would say that death numbers are faked - once they buy into that narrative, the "conspiracy" reaches farcical levels.)

 

[mickey2942]

I haven’t been able to find anything that says they stopped attributing suspected positive cases as Covid deaths. Another issue is that Dr. Birx said we were being “generous” with our counting cases, unlike other countries.

Dr. Birx? Yes. She is currently unemployed. Unlike Dr. Fauci.

 

[MaryG12]

Florida. doesn't have "low COVID stats." Check out today's stats. It's got the highest case rate in the nation. While it is. true that many of. the cases in Florida are youthful (so fewer deaths), we have to remember that young people are suffering cardiac damage from COVID. Huge issue. As many as 6% have significant heart damage that may affect longevity and certainly will warrant lifelong observation.

Michigan had 8. deaths yesterday, Florida had 36. Michigan. has half the number of. people, so. we have to factor that. If Florida had Michigan's death rate, it would have. had 16 deaths.

Then of course, there's the under-reporting in FL, and now reporting from FL is intermittent (hospitals and coroners still report to the CDC, but DeSantis won't report state level stats any more, so it's not clear if care facilities are reported in these numbers).

Florida and New York have roughly the same number of people, so that's a better comparison. New York had 12 deaths yesterday (one-third of Florida's).

Not that Michigan is all that safe - it's hard to understand what the heck is going on in Michigan, but lockdown compliance (according to Google analytics) was low there - so roughly. the same as FL. Both states have had a rough spring and early summer - with Michigan showing some real abatement (only 329 cases yesterday, compared to Florida's 2,237 - making Florida's case rate the. highest in the nation. California had about 1000 cases but is about twice the size of Florida, so if Florida had California's rate, it would have had only 500 cases.

Florida really should be at 500 cases right now.

And I thought that Floridian was fired for refusing to change data (and reverting to what the hospitals and coroners were actually reporting). Funny how narratives morph over time.

One of the reasons for the seemingly high numbers is that Florida is the third highest populated state in the union at 22 Million people. Our COVID-19 case numbers with proportion to population are probably better compared to say those in California (40 Million people) or Texas (29 Million people). Also - and while we do get a lot of tourists year-round we also have alot of people travelling out of state to Europe, Central and South America, what have you.

The Suncoast was hit pretty hard for a reason: right before COVID-19 reached our shores a LOT of people were travelling to Italy, in fact, someone from work decided to go to Italy. Did that person carry COVID-19 into our country? Very possible. It was pretty shocking to hear. No wonder a lot of people never returned to the office, myself included.

Now I am hearing the two-dosage Pfizer vaccine is not enough and a third dose might protect against the Delta Variant.

This really has been a strange pandemic overall.

 

[ilovewings]

Fans pack stadium for concert as Florida reports tens of thousands of new COVID-19 cases

I just don't get it- at this rate, we will never be rid of this horrible virus as it will continue to mutate finally into a variant that will elude vaccines completely- For people who think there are too many people in the world, this may be the solution they are looking for

 

[mickey2942]

Snippet from the article above:

"The majority of the people at the concert were not wearing masks. The few that did said it’s another layer of protection.

“Just some extra precaution. I’m fully vaccinated, so I don’t particularly need it all too much, but I just want to stay safe,” Jude Lake said."

She wants to "stay safe", so she goes to a concert with 10,000 people or so....great plan.

 

[MrX]

I can't speak for the loonies - I know some, yet can't grasp their world, where they've been taught that Gravity is "just a theory," and that 2 + 2 = 5.

As for the rest of us (vaccine hesitant, mask resistant, crowd gathers), I think it's what it's always been, since the beginning. As soon as the goal posts started moving, a sense of futility set in. In Spring of 2020, we all became amateur Epidemiologists. I remember learning that the Gold Standard for fighting a Pandemic is what New Zealand did and Australia tried: TEST/TRACE/ISOLATE/REPEAT until the virus is eradicated. I also realized that methodical system of eradication would never happen in the U.S. - that whatever random patch work of closures, masking, and distancing was doomed to failure. At that point, the calculus became simple: "live now, or wait to maybe live later because there's no end in sight." I know this can be terribly hard for many to understand, especially if closures of bars, restaurants, concerts and casinos didn't affect them. Or people that have forgotten about that "last Summer," before High School or College.

For me, the past 18 months of normal living have been more than worth the risk. I understand how that can be infuriating when the next case could be the one that causes the mutation that defeats the vaccine, but also remember that similar mutations have happened in several places, independently. If it mutates into something vaccine-proof, it's not one person's fault. Anyway, we aren't all "Flat Earthers," even though it may often seem that way. I appreciate the passion of so many, on this forum, who see people like me as the entire problem. This is the first place I come, every morning, for Covid news.

 

[jjenny]

There is only so much a vaccine can do. The three vaccines we have weren't even designed against delta. Delta is so much more infectious.
Then we have people going to mass gatherings with numerous other people. The virus levels in the air gotta be very large in those gatherings. No wonder we are getting breakthrough infections right and left.

 

[ilovewings]

There is only so much a vaccine can do. The three vaccines we have weren't even designed against delta. Delta is so much more infectious.
Then we have people going to mass gatherings with numerous other people. The virus levels in the air gotta be very large in those gatherings. No wonder we are getting breakthrough infections right and left.

I think the vaccine will protect us if we avoid large crowds outdoors and avoid settings like restaurants and bars where most people are not masking up. Delta apparently is just so transmissible and there is such a large viral load, that we cannot do those activities that too many people are doing----so of course we are seeing this surge. What scares me is that school will be starting soon- and you've got a governor in Florida who is actually encouraging parents not to mask their children.

 

[jjenny]

I think the vaccine will protect us if we avoid large crowds outdoors and avoid settings like restaurants and bars where most people are not masking up. Delta apparently is just so transmissible and there is such a large viral load, that we cannot do those activities that too many people are doing----so of course we are seeing this surge. What scares me is that school will be starting soon- and you've got a governor in Florida who is actually encouraging parents not to mask their children.

Exactly. Too many people think that because they are vaccinated, they can act as if covid didn't exist (and there also are too many un-vaccinated people who act if there was no covid). Even now we see photos from people attending these huge mass concerts (and not just in Florida). How many infections (including breakthroughs) are going to result from these concerts? It's a safe bet there will be plenty. Some of these people will be shocked they got infected because they are vaccinated. Hello? You went to a concert with thousands of people. What do you expect?

 

[PayrollNerd]

Sigh.

https://www.wctv.tv/2021/08/01/florida-breaks-record-covid-hospitalizations-with-10207-cases/

Florida has broken the state record for daily COVID hospitalizations with 10,207 cases, according to data reported to the U.S. Department of Health and Human services.

The previous record was set more than a year ago with 10,170 hospitalizations on July 23, 2020 -- before vaccinations became widespread.

The news comes just a day after the state of Florida set a new daily record with 21,683 new cases of COVID-19, according to the Sun Sentinel.

 

[mickey2942]

I wonder how many of these are folks, never vaccinated, or if there are any breakthrough cases in those hospitalized.

 

[PayrollNerd]

Scary stuff.

More restrictions to come with delta variant surge

 

[ilovewings]

Exactly. Too many people think that because they are vaccinated, they can act as if covid didn't exist (and there also are too many un-vaccinated people who act if there was no covid). Even now we see photos from people attending these huge mass concerts (and not just in Florida). How many infections (including breakthroughs) are going to result from these concerts? It's a safe bet there will be plenty. Some of these people will be shocked they got infected because they are vaccinated. Hello? You went to a concert with thousands of people. What do you expect?

Did you see that Lollapalooza in Chicago? OMG

 

[PayrollNerd]

South Florida vaccination rates increase as COVID-19 spread hits all-time high in Palm Beach County

Upwards of 97% of patients hospitalized throughout the state and nation are unvaccinated.

 

[MrX]

Did you see that Lollapalooza in Chicago? OMG

Chicago Mayor went from threatening more restrictions, to being photographed maskless, hanging out with celebrities at Lollapalooza. That's already starting a firestorm on twitter.

 

[ilovewings]

Chicago Mayor went from threatening more restrictions, to being photographed maskless, hanging out with celebrities at Lollapalooza. That's already starting a firestorm on twitter.

Holy moly- whata fluster cluck!

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

Holy moly- whata fluster cluck!

A couple of weeks ago, DH and I were beginning to consider a long-awaited winter vacation. We are somewhat reluctant to board a cruise ship but were contacted by our Princess travel agent and offered special promotions and perks to encourage folks to sail again. After learning that six passengers on a Royal Caribbean vessel tested positive for Covid, we decided that cruising was probably out of the question at this time. We had also considered going to WDW for a week-long stay at one of the newer luxury hotels - not necessarily visiting parks every day, if at all. Accommodations and dining at Disney properties is first-class, and we have enjoyed three previous visits as adults without children in tow. We celebrated our 50th anniversary on June 25 this year, and it is WDW's 50th anniversary. We went to WDW for my 50th birthday, so it made sense that Disney would be our destination this year. That said, we nixed that idea when we learned that Disney is asking patrons to mask up again and requiring vaccinations for employees. Things seem pretty bad in CA, so that's not a viable option, either. I guess we'll just have to wait and see what develops over the next couple of months. If it looks like we might be able to take a cruise or stay at a resort for a week, we'll still consider it. If not, we'll stay at home like we did last winter

 

[justbeachy]

Did you see that Lollapalooza in Chicago? OMG

The pictures of that were outrageous!

 

[MrX]

A couple of weeks ago, DH and I were beginning to consider a long-awaited winter vacation. We are somewhat reluctant to board a cruise ship but were contacted by our Princess travel agent and offered special promotions and perks to encourage folks to sail again. After learning that six passengers on a Royal Caribbean vessel tested positive for Covid, we decided that cruising was probably out of the question at this time. We had also considered going to WDW for a week-long stay at one of the newer luxury hotels - not necessarily visiting parks every day, if at all. Accommodations and dining at Disney properties is first-class, and we have enjoyed three previous visits as adults without children in tow. We celebrated our 50th anniversary on June 25 this year, and it is WDW's 50th anniversary. We went to WDW for my 50th birthday, so it made sense that Disney would be our destination this year. That said, we nixed that idea when we learned that Disney is asking patrons to mask up again and requiring vaccinations for employees. Things seem pretty bad in CA, so that's not a viable option, either. I guess we'll just have to wait and see what develops over the next couple of months. If it looks like we might be able to take a cruise or stay at a resort for a week, we'll still consider it. If not, we'll stay at home like we did last winter

A friend is in CA on vacation, now. They are travelling around San Diego and Orange County. He reported that there is zero sign of concern - no masks, everyplace is packed. I suspect Newsom will change that, after recall election in September. Interesting about WDW requiring masks. Sounds like the same as Vegas - they can get away with it with a captive audience and a large security staff. Not so easy to impose those mandates when they have to be enforced by State and Municipal Covid Police.