Food for thought..........

[PalmettoSprings]

PalmettoSprings,

Even though the ligature device tied around JonBenet's neck killed her, contrary to popular belief it was not a garrote. IMO it was a breath control device used in erotic asphyxiation -- a dangerous masturbation technique the FBI estimates accidentally kills about 1,000 Americans each year. The device was eventually used by JonBenet's killer as a garrote when he pulled it extremely tight, but that is not what it was designed for.

BlueCrab,

Do you think the person who did this to JonBenet had done it before or was this the first time he experimented with it?

Palmetto

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

capps,

No one can tell what kids, especially boys, might get into next.

I realize it's hard to conceive, but I'm convinced that note was written by a child. There's just too many unnecessary threats and trite sayings borrowed from action movies in it for it to have been written by an adult. My guess is that a male of about 14-years-old, or an exceptionally bright younger boy, contributed to the text of the ransom note. The neighborhood around the Ramsey house, incidentally, was teeming with boys, most of them older than Burke. And they almost daily played games with JonBenet and Burke in the Ramsey's "open-house" for kids.

BlueCrab

Its beyond 'hard to concieve'. Its impossible.

 

[BlueCrab]

BlueCrab,

Do you think the person who did this to JonBenet had done it before or was this the first time he experimented with it?

Palmetto

Palmetto,

I doubt the killer had done this before, and that is the reason JonBenet is dead.

Please remember that this is only one of my BDI theories and it's not etched in stone. But based on the evidence as I interpret it, JonBenet likely died accidentally as the person or persons who were doing this to her were very young and inexperienced in the use of EA.

IOW JonBenet was probably accidentally strangled to death during the erotic asphyxiation phase of performing breath control, and the perp then staged the scene to look like a deliberate murder by pulling on the ligature as hard as he could and by hitting her in the head. He then wrote the ransom note to divert blame toward a "small foreign faction".

However, the possible torture and posing of JonBenet, if that is what happened, IMO would steer the crime toward deliberate murder and tend to legitimize some of the wording in the ransom note.

BlueCrab

 

[tipper]

capps,

No one can tell what kids, especially boys, might get into next.

I realize it's hard to conceive, but I'm convinced that note was written by a child. There's just too many unnecessary threats and trite sayings borrowed from action movies in it for it to have been written by an adult. My guess is that a male of about 14-years-old, or an exceptionally bright younger boy, contributed to the text of the ransom note. The neighborhood around the Ramsey house, incidentally, was teeming with boys, most of them older than Burke. And they almost daily played games with JonBenet and Burke in the Ramsey's "open-house" for kids.

BlueCrab

I think it has the supercilious tone of a male trying to come off as a James Bond type.

But, what's more important is we see in it what we expect to see. Therefore these many different views have essentially no value at all.

 

[susiebond]

I went to the library yesterday and got "PMPT". I copied the ransom note on scrap paper.....then decided to rewrite it and see if anything struck me as "odd"....
Some of these have already been mentioned....

Mr. Ramsey/and then John

I will call you between 8 and 10 AM /then if WE monitor you getting the money early WE might call/ using I then WE

TWO GENTLEMEN watching over your daughter/ from WE then TWO GENTLEMEN

You can try to deceive us but be warned that we are familiar with Law enforcement countermeasures and tatics. The word LAW being capitalized......... isn't Law capitalized many times in the Bible in reference to God's Law ?? I found this odd.....

Back to reading "PMPT" for the 3rd time !

susiebond

The above is my opinion only

 

[UKGuy]

PalmettoSprings,

Even though the ligature device tied around JonBenet's neck killed her, contrary to popular belief it was not a garrote. IMO it was a breath control device used in erotic asphyxiation -- a dangerous masturbation technique the FBI estimates accidentally kills about 1,000 Americans each year. The device was eventually used by JonBenet's killer as a garrote when he pulled it extremely tight, but that is not what it was designed for.

Rope garrotes are designed as killing devices and must have two handles on them, one on each end, so the killer can sneak up on the victim from behind and strangle him. The device on JonBenet had just one handle on one end and a ligature (similar to a hangman's noose) on the opposite end. The ligature originally likely had a loose-fitting slip knot on it to form the loop around JonBenet's neck, which is lightly tightened to conduct the breath control technique, and then purposely released so as not to strangle her -- but when things turned violent the slip knot was pulled very tight, burying the cord deep into JonBenet's neck.

BlueCrab

BlueCrab,

contrary to popular belief it was not a garrote.

This statement is manifestly misleading

Here are two separate references to the definition of a garrote:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garrote
http://www.1911encyclopedia.org/G/GA/GARROTE.htm

Both state a stick, rod or cudgel e.g. a garrote is applied in conjunction with a ligature.

Further more the term is used here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JonBenet_Ramsey

As I have mentioned before JonBenet's hair was embedded in the knotting of your assumed breath control device, as was her necklace and cross, the forensic evidence totally discredits any interpretation that the garrote and ligature would function as a breath control device

Your EA theory is not supported by the forensic evidence, why do you continue to promote it?


.

 

[BlueCrab]

BlueCrab,

contrary to popular belief it was not a garrote.

This statement is manifestly misleading

Here are two separate references to the definition of a garrote:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garrote
http://www.1911encyclopedia.org/G/GA/GARROTE.htm

Both state a stick, rod or cudgel e.g. a garrote is applied in conjunction with a ligature.

Further more the term is used here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JonBenet_Ramsey

As I have mentioned before JonBenet's hair was embedded in the knotting of your assumed breath control device, as was her necklace and cross, the forensic evidence totally discredits any interpretation that the garrote and ligature would function as a breath control device

Your EA theory is not supported by the forensic evidence, why do you continue to promote it?


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UKGuy,

The links you provided re' garrotes are archaic and irrelevant. Iron collar excecutions among Hispanic nations are a thing of the past.

Today's reference to a garrote usually means nothing more than a simple hand-held length of wire or rope long enough to wrap around a victim's neck and strangle him to death.

The elaborate device wrapped around JonBenet's neck was not a garrote. It was a typical breath control device used for erotic asphyxiation sex. Nothing that elaborate would have been needed to strangle a little 45-pound six-year-old girl. The perp could have easily strangled her with his bare hands.

BlueCrab

 

[UKGuy]

UKGuy,

The links you provided re' garrotes are archaic and irrelevant. Iron collar excecutions among Hispanic nations are a thing of the past.

Today's reference to a garrote usually means nothing more than a simple hand-held length of wire or rope long enough to wrap around a victim's neck and strangle him to death.

The elaborate device wrapped around JonBenet's neck was not a garrote. It was a typical breath control device used for erotic asphyxiation sex. Nothing that elaborate would have been needed to strangle a little 45-pound six-year-old girl. The perp could have easily strangled her with his bare hands.

BlueCrab

BlueCrab,

Some instances of forensic evidence are open to ambiguous definition, whereas your statement:

Today's reference to a garrote usually means nothing more than a simple hand-held length of wire or rope long enough to wrap around a victim's neck and strangle him to death.

is patently misleading, the length of rope, wire or cord employed in a strangulation is commonly referred to as a liguature, this is to distinguish from cases where a customized ligature device is employed, then the addition of some stick, rod or bar, renders it as a garrote. So the use of the term garrote is semantically distinct from that of a ligature.


Your claim: It was a typical breath control device used for erotic asphyxiation sex. is not consistent with the forensic evidence, to continue to claim it is, only retracts from the respect and credibility many members accord you.

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[rashomon]

BlueCrab,

Some instances of forensic evidence are open to ambiguous definition, whereas your statement:

Today's reference to a garrote usually means nothing more than a simple hand-held length of wire or rope long enough to wrap around a victim's neck and strangle him to death.

is patently misleading, the length of rope, wire or cord employed in a strangulation is commonly referred to as a liguature, this is to distinguish from cases where a customized ligature device is employed, then the addition of some stick, rod or bar, renders it as a garrote. So the use of the term garrote is semantically distinct from that of a ligature.


Your claim: It was a typical breath control device used for erotic asphyxiation sex. is not consistent with the forensic evidence, to continue to claim it is, only retracts from the respect and credibility many members accord you.
.

I also find Delmar England's most extensive analysis of the garotte, the knots, the loops etc. extremely interesting. Delmar England seems to know what he is talking about. And he came to the conclusion that this was not a breath control device used for EA.
And according to England, there was no system at all in those loops and knots.
It was just a poorly staged scene.

 

[rashomon]

Rashomon - totally off topic, but I wanted to applaud your English! It is AMAZING - good for you!! I am not fluent in any other language, but I am going to make darn sure my children are.

YAY for you!

Thanks so much Brefie, for your kind words. It is much appreciated. I'm also learning a lot of English here by picking up vocabulary and phrasings from you posters.

 

[aussiesheila]

BlueCrab,

Some instances of forensic evidence are open to ambiguous definition, whereas your statement:

Today's reference to a garrote usually means nothing more than a simple hand-held length of wire or rope long enough to wrap around a victim's neck and strangle him to death.

is patently misleading, the length of rope, wire or cord employed in a strangulation is commonly referred to as a liguature, this is to distinguish from cases where a customized ligature device is employed, then the addition of some stick, rod or bar, renders it as a garrote. So the use of the term garrote is semantically distinct from that of a ligature.


Your claim: It was a typical breath control device used for erotic asphyxiation sex. is not consistent with the forensic evidence, to continue to claim it is, only retracts from the respect and credibility many members accord you.

.

UK Guy, can you accept "It was a typical breath control device" as being consistent with the forensic evidence?

 

[LinasK]

capps,

No one can tell what kids, especially boys, might get into next.

I realize it's hard to conceive, but I'm convinced that note was written by a child. There's just too many unnecessary threats and trite sayings borrowed from action movies in it for it to have been written by an adult. My guess is that a male of about 14-years-old, or an exceptionally bright younger boy, contributed to the text of the ransom note. The neighborhood around the Ramsey house, incidentally, was teeming with boys, most of them older than Burke. And they almost daily played games with JonBenet and Burke in the Ramsey's "open-house" for kids.

BlueCrab

I ascribe the trite sayings to action novels Patsy has read...

 

[aussiesheila]

I ascribe the trite sayings to action novels Patsy has read...

Well no-one ever believes me but what the heck....I agree. I think that note is pure Patsy. Whatever her sources were, it all comes back out just screaming Patsy IMO.

 

[Eagle1]

I've always thought it odd, but in police reports, at least in my city, they use the term "gentlemen" rather than "person", maybe to specify a male.

In the ransom note, the writer or writers are referring to themselves, probably, as gentlemen. Also the term "fat cat" I believe is Southern, as well as the "rested".

 

[Eagle1]

ST said the picture of the dictionary which hadn't been in the crime scene before "fell out" of the evidence envelope. As if other pictures may have been clipped together and this one added last. I'm getting this from a discussion at one of the other forums, can't remember which one, so I don't have a page number or anything.

Sometimes I think maybe it was a pedophile in some branch of law enforcement, who had access to the crime scene and the evidence envelope. Words like "gentlemen" and "monitor" do sort of sound like someone fancying himself a James Bond, as someone's already remarked.

Also I have an old clipping. link too old to work, about some radical group in the Philippines taking hostages, two of which I believe were beheaded. It doesn't say if they were the two Americans. We don't know if they would know JR from his once having been stationed there, or if some jet-set James Bond would have been a connection. There's a lot more speculation like that at www.Konformist.com in "Daddy's Little Princess", if it's still there. There's quite a few people under suspicion w/me, who I guess could have been in league with such a person. Just a thought. He and his people if they exist would call it crazy of course, but even that might be suspicious, and over-reaction.