For Those Who Do Not Think Avery was Framed & Evidence Planted - Discuss

[Deleted member 39678]

Buting: Deck was stacked against Steven Avery

Buting clearly believes that authorities probably planted Halbach's SUV on Avery's property, Avery's blood inside the SUV, and the SUV key inside Avery's bedroom (where it was found the seventh time police searched the room). And while he acknowledges that several pieces of physical evidence potentially implicated Avery — the presence of her remains, and SUV, on his property, and his blood in the car — Buting argues that Avery had no motive to kill the young photographer, but rather had incentive not to commit a crime.

Buting believes that authorities "probably" planted evidence. I guess he words it that way because there's no evidence to support that claim.

No motive? That's debatable and the State doesn't have to prove motive to gain a conviction. JMO


http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com...g-deck-stacked-against-steven-avery/98445988/

 

[Madeleine74]

I have noticed something since KK's book and interviews started. I don't recall where I read it now but it was somewhere on the internet, there used to be a lot of "I can't be bothered to find the link so I'll just put JMO" but now they're pulling out links from anywhere they can find. KK is forcing case enthusiasts to do their research I guess, still haven't seen one that shows proof of framing or he is lying about the evidence though. I certainly don't consider his Defense Attorney a source of reliable information.

JMO

BBM,

No need to look any further than most of the threads on MaM for examples of that very statement, my friend.

Who needs proof when you have tweets and beliefs.

 

[Madeleine74]

Buting: Deck was stacked against Steven Avery



Buting believes that authorities "probably" planted evidence. I guess he words it that way because there's no evidence to support that claim.

No motive? That's debatable and the State doesn't have to prove motive to gain a conviction. JMO


http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com...g-deck-stacked-against-steven-avery/98445988/

I've listened to various things Buting has said in recent weeks and I noticed he is careful in how he words things when he makes claims about planting, framing and the like, using qualifying words like you noted above.

 

[CoolJ]

No doubt at all he knew prior to that day. I was in Barb's corner until she started blaming the Halbachs. None of them had empathy for the victim. At least she still gets to visit and see him. The Halbach's do not. Showing empathy for the victim doesn't mean admission of guilt so what is the harm?

I have noticed something since KK's book and interviews started. I don't recall where I read it now but it was somewhere on the internet, there used to be a lot of "I can't be bothered to find the link so I'll just put JMO" but now they're pulling out links from anywhere they can find. KK is forcing case enthusiasts to do their research I guess, still haven't seen one that shows proof of framing or he is lying about the evidence though. I certainly don't consider his Defense Attorney a source of reliable information.

JMO

So when exactly did Barb start blaming the Halbachs?

 

[CoolJ]

So when exactly did Barb start blaming the Halbachs?

Actually, I felt that Stevie showed empathy right from the get go.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Looks to me that this thread was by far the most popular one on the MaM sub-forum for the month of February. Good job for those who do not think Avery was framed and evidence planted.

 

[dexter75]

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What an amazing post! Thank you Missy for providing links to back up what you are saying with those links. I generally like to cross reference with a document to verify what a poster is posting and make up my own mind. I don't like to be led like a sheep.

You stated this perfectly Imo
This is what WS is all about❤

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[Deleted member 39678]

In his new book Illusion of Justice, Avery's former defense attorney Jerry Buting is spilling all the tea about the feud between himself and opposing counsel — prosecutor Ken Kratz

When any civilian witness testified, he would soften his voice and make a conspicuous effort to appear gentler, more tender, as if he were so sorry that the defense was making them suffer through a trial and the ordeal of testifying in court. Perhaps he thought this would make him seem like a good guy to the jury, but it struck me as smarmy and fake.

It appears to me the jury didn't worry that Kratz was "smarmy and fake" like Buting did because they voted Avery guilty. JMO


http://perezhilton.com/2017-02-28-making-a-murderer-defense-attorney-prosecutor-book/?from=post

 

[Deleted member 39678]

'Making a Murderer 'Star Steven Avery Slams His Lawyers,Shares New Evidence That Could Prove His Innocence in New Letter

Avery, who is serving life without the possibility of parole, says that he blames his former lawyers Dean Strang and Jerome Buting for his guilty verdict because they “didn’t do no investigation on this case, if they did I would not be in prison.”
In his letter, Avery blasts the defense’s failure to call forensic experts at the trial to weigh in on key evidence, like the lack of blood splatter in his garage (where he allegedly shot Teresa, 25) and the botched processing of Teresa’s charred bones.

I wonder if Buting responds to Avery's complaints in his book. I have heard repeatedly on this forum that Strang and Buting did a good job in defending Avery. Looks like Avery disagrees. JMO

http://www.intouchweekly.com/posts/steven-avery-making-a-murderer-netflix-109089

 

[missy1974]

'Making a Murderer 'Star Steven Avery Slams His Lawyers,Shares New Evidence That Could Prove His Innocence in New Letter



I wonder if Buting responds to Avery's complaints in his book. I have heard repeatedly on this forum that Strang and Buting did a good job in defending Avery. Looks like Avery disagrees. JMO

http://www.intouchweekly.com/posts/steven-avery-making-a-murderer-netflix-109089

I think they did a good job with what they were able to present and with what money and resources they had. IMO there are things they missed, could have or should have called certain witnesses, etc. I know I saw an interview with them where they admitted they missed the "last ping" information or something along those lines. They are okay with their work being critiqued, unlike some.

Also, as far as I know, there is no bombshell info in his book, no factual information from the case that we don't have access too, because it's an ongoing case and it would be unethical IMO They also don't answer specific questions in the talks that they do, they talk about the system as a whole and what can and should be changed. JMO from all I have read about their discussions they have held over the last year.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

I find it very interesting that Avery say's that he had met Teresa "a lot of times" and that he had her cell phone number for a while. She was not a stranger to him. JMO

http://www.nbcnews.com/dateline/video/steven-avery-talks-about-meeting-teresa-halbach-879636547704

 

[Deleted member 39678]

'Making a Murderer' Update on 'Dateline': Five Revelations About Steven Avery's Case

He also insisted Avery's blood in Halbach's car was not planted. (The docuseries made a big deal about the fact that the police department had Avery's blood in a vial and that it was suspicious since the vial had a small puncture on its top. Fassbender said small punctures were normal on those types of vials.) In a nutshell, he the defense's allegation that the police planted evidence was "absurd."

The idea that police planted blood from the evidence vial is absurd in my opinion.

http://www.usmagazine.com/entertain...-update-on-dateline-5-new-revelations-w467740

 

[proudfootz]

This is just silly. They called animal control and had them handle Bear on the 8th. They could have done so earlier. They chose not to. Leaving a "vicious" dog on the property was a dangerous choice by LE.

Especially if this 'vicious dog' was on a chain long enough to keep everyone away from other alleged burn sites 60 yards away!

 

[Deleted member 39678]

The fact that the FBI didn't find any EDTA in the blood from the RAV4 seals this case for me. If Zellner doesn't address that fact I don't see how she can expect to exonerate Avery. Claiming it was old blood that LE used to frame him but not knowing where it came from will be very problematic IMO.

 

[Madeleine74]

In his new book Illusion of Justice, Avery's former defense attorney Jerry Buting is spilling all the tea about the feud between himself and opposing counsel — prosecutor Ken Kratz



It appears to me the jury didn't worry that Kratz was "smarmy and fake" like Buting did because they voted Avery guilty. JMO


http://perezhilton.com/2017-02-28-making-a-murderer-defense-attorney-prosecutor-book/?from=post

Not only did the jury not give any importance to how Kratz appeared (as they shouldn't because they are there to listen to evidence and testimony, not rate attorneys), but Avery himself was apparently impressed enough with KK to ask him to be his appellate attorney. And that was one of the big surprises, corroborated by a letter from Avery in his own handwriting.

 

[Madeleine74]

The fact that the FBI didn't find any EDTA in the blood from the RAV4 seals theis case for me. If Zellner doesn't address that fact I don't see how she can expect to exonerate Avery. Claiming it was old blood that LE used to frame him but not knowing where it came from will be very problematic IMO.

The lack of EDTA from the testing proved to me the defense's claim at trial of a vial of blood from 1996, used to frame Avery, had no legs. The jury didn't buy the planting & framing defense either.

 

[Madeleine74]

I find it very interesting that Avery say's that he had met Teresa "a lot of times" and that he had her cell phone number for a while. She was not a stranger to him. JMO

http://www.nbcnews.com/dateline/video/steven-avery-talks-about-meeting-teresa-halbach-879636547704

Then the whole "he needed to hide his phone number from her because he was a local celebrity" excuse is false and a desperate attempt to explain why out of 16 calls he made on 10/31/05 he only hid 2 calls, the ones he made to TH before she was killed.

 

[Madeleine74]

'Making a Murderer 'Star Steven Avery Slams His Lawyers,Shares New Evidence That Could Prove His Innocence in New Letter

I wonder if Buting responds to Avery's complaints in his book. I have heard repeatedly on this forum that Strang and Buting did a good job in defending Avery. Looks like Avery disagrees. JMO

http://www.intouchweekly.com/posts/steven-avery-making-a-murderer-netflix-109089

I think Strang & Buting gave Avery an aggressive defense. They can only work with what they have and there was a lot of evidence against their client. They tried the planting & framing strategy but that failed.

 

[CoolJ]

The fact that the FBI didn't find any EDTA in the blood from the RAV4 seals theis case for me. If Zellner doesn't address that fact I don't see how she can expect to exonerate Avery. Claiming it was old blood that LE used to frame him but not knowing where it came from will be very problematic IMO.

Ranch, you are really hung up on the EDTA huh? Why does Zellner have to address the EDTA? Maybe there wasn't any EDTA in the planted blood. Maybe the science isn't or wasn't good enough to pick up miniscule quantities. Maybe the FBI lab didn't even have Avery's blood. Maybe the blood got swapped. Maybe she will address the EDTA. So many possibilities.

I said it before. If the blood is proven to be old it is not Zellner that will have to do the explaining. Proving it is old is all she needs to do. Although, she did say she will demonstrate HOW it was planted. Have faith my friend. The truth will become known.

 

[dexter75]

KK’s thoughts on Zellner:

- Thinks Zellner is a very talented attorney. Noted that when Zellner first took the case in January 2016 she promised within 30 days she was going to present evidence that would show SA is innocent. Still waiting for that evidence that proves it.


SA letters to KK:

- SA wrote a total of 6 letters to KK.
- SA asked KK to be his appellate attorney (copy of actual letter is in the book).
- KK corresponded with SA after all appeals were exhausted, asking SA if he wanted to talk. SA wrote back and said yes, then invited KK to come talk to him, but the prison warden refused this visit.
- KK inquired whether SA was going to tell the truth and come clean, and SA refused so KK cut off all communication after that.

KK’s Sex Addiction & Drug Addiction:

- KK’s sexting and sex addiction was occurring in 2009.
- KK freely admits he was/is a narcissist, was a sexual addict and drug abuser, and started engaging in high risk behaviors, culminating in texting a crime victim.
- KK said he self-reported his violation to the Lawyer Office of Regulation. (LOR)
- KK said the LOR dismissed the case. Six months later (Aug 2010) the media got wind of this and the report was leaked to the press, it made front page news, and within 48 hrs KK lost his job and everything else (he was already going thru a divorce).
- KK said he felt suicidal and went into rehab/hospitalization, got clean, got off the drugs and started daily therapy for his addictions.
- Like any addict, KK has to stay vigilant for his recovery.
- KK said he has no problem discussing any of this, but points out all of this was years after the Avery case and was not a part of the Avery case.
- KK said he's thankful because he was in a place of pain, addiction, and self-destruction.

Is there any way to look up & read copies of all of these letters? I think it would give Kratz a little bit of SOMETHING ya know?
I can't speak for everyone obviously.
For myself though, to see a few of his statements actually legitimately proved..

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