France - Explosions and shooting in Paris, 13 November 2015 #3

[cottonweaver]

Julian Borger has been speaking to Richard Guthrie, a leading British expert on chemical and biological weapons, who runs the website CBW Events about the comments made by French prime minister Manuel Valls on a possible chemical attack.
“This might be seen as a dangerous statement to make,” Guthrie said. “This sort of statement is often made after any kind of terror attack that causes extreme shock or is seen as a having been on a scale greater than has gone before,” he added, giving the examples of the Lod airport massacre in 1972, US embassy bombings in Africa in 1998, and after the September 11 attacks in 2001.

There is a natural human reaction to novel fears, like an attack or recent incident that is more dreadful than previous experience, that bring forward fears of something even greater.
This often takes the form of fears of poison of some kind - humans have an innate inner dread of their surroundings, their air, their food, their water being poisoned.
Raising the spectre of the use of poison weapons whether by spread of chemical agents or the inducing of deliberate disease, while an understandable human reaction, can be counter-productive as it could make those with hostile intent take more of a focus on these sorts of weapons.
Guthrie said that unless there was specific information the French authorities had not released “there is no clear evidence that the threat of use by terrorists of biological or chemical weapons is greater today than it was last week. “

There has always been a low probability that a group might make an attempt to use such weapons, but the technical challenges are considerable.
Indeed, the scale of the impact and disruption caused by the atrocities in Paris on Friday night make it more likely that terror groups may wish to repeat that sort of attack rather than try something novel and technically challenging.

let's hope he is right!!

 

[BUF]

WATCH: Footage emerges of ISIS gunman opening fire on café in Paris attack

http://www.news24.com/Live/World/wa...opening-fire-on-cafe-in-paris-attack-20151119

 

[Elley Mae]

Individuals on FBI’s Terrorist Watchlist Allowed to Legally Purchase Firearms
By GENEVA SANDS
Nov 18, 2015, 3:19 PM ET

Individuals on the FBI’s terrorist watchlist are not prevented from legally purchasing firearms, but two lawmakers want to change that. FBI data from last year show that people on the watchlist were cleared to purchase guns 94 percent of the time.

snip.......................

Lawmakers have introduced bills over the years to try to prevent suspected terrorists from purchasing firearms and explosives. None, however, have passed because of strong opposition by the gun lobby.

The National Rifle Association which opposed previous bills, argued that the watchlist is too broad because it includes people who are still being investigated by authorities.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/individual...d-legally-purchase-firearms/story?id=35264669

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This seems like such an easy fix. Much easier than the mental health issues that are often proposed.

Makes sense to me, people that are on the watch list don't even know, I'll bet that the people checking the list for people that shouldn't have a gun don't know who is on the list. You know how the gov works all secretive and stuff. The gov can't keep out illegals, but doesn't want certain companies to sell certain items to them... I can see a law suit down the road by an illegal that was turned down trying to buy a gun and then suing the business and winning. jmo

 

[cottonweaver]

...."in the world is NOT ISIS – but Boko Haram: Figures reveal African Islamists killed 6,664 last year compared to Islamic State's 6,073 as 11-year-old carries out attack in Nigeria "

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ared-Islamic-State-s-6-073.html#ixzz3rwJ5Anhz

and Syrian air raids

French military colonel Gilles Jaron says the country has destroyed 35 Islamic State targets in Syria since last week’s attack.

French planes dropped 60 bombs on six sites, Islamic State command centres or training sites.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/li...igate-isis-mastermind-dead-st-denis-raid-live

 

[Momoffourboys]

China vows justice after ISIS executes national

http://www.straitstimes.com/asia/east-asia/china-vows-justice-after-isis-executes-national

 

[Colin de France]

....Abaaoud is dead, killed in the attack in St Denis Paris yesterday.......thought to of been in Syria but in fact organising attacks in Europe...

 

[Momoffourboys]

The "mastermind" is confirmed dead.

Waiting for link.

 

[DanceCard]

Ringleader of Paris attacks, Abdelhamid Abaaoud, identified among Saint Denis raid dead, prosecutor says.

Here's a link.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-34867615

 

[Nana]

not going to post her pic on the thread

go to link for photo of this clueless, cowboy hat wearing, boozing jihadi

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...xtrovert-nicknamed-Cowgirl-love-big-hats.html

Just jumping off you post with a couple of question for anyone lol
If the jihadi - johns get x number of virgins what does jihadi- janes get?
And.. Why would jihadi Jane be boozing it up isn't that a no no?
Guess she's not going where she thought she was, rest in he-- sug!!

 

[Momoffourboys]

Mind boggling!

U.S. Investigators Struggle to Track Homegrown ISIS Suspects

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/20/u...le-to-track-homegrown-isis-suspects.html?_r=0

 

[CARIIS]

confirm mastermind was killed

news pop up on screen!

 

[cottonweaver]

Just jumping off you post with a couple of question for anyone lol
If the jihadi - johns get x number of virgins what does jihadi- janes get?
And.. Why would jihadi Jane be boozing it up isn't that a no no?
Guess she's not going where she thought she was, rest in he-- sug!!

BIB maybe cause she' s not a "proper" Muslim?
ISIS use women for shock value and because they have more of a chance to evade security measures but clearly this one wasn't very bright.

Sadly quite a few of them are of normal intelligence levels and many travel to Syria to becomes brides of "martyrs".

here, link below, a journalist spent months talking to British and American ‘sisters’, before and after they travelled to Syria. How were they convinced by promises of a ‘perfect’ society and life as a martyr’s widow?

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jun/24/isis-brides-secret-world-jihad-western-women-syria

 

[LaLaw2000]

Well since we in the US and many states in the U.S. have voiced our opinion about not bringing them here, I have already said I don't want them here, it's not very constructive to try a guilt us in to changing our minds either!
Most especially when they live in another country.
IMO anyone that really wants the refugees in there state or their country go for it then pony up the big bucks to support them, I am not interested!

Hi, Nana! I feel as you do. I am a mother, grandmother, and even have one great-grandchild whose dad is a Staff Sergeant in the Army. I love my children and am absolutely nuts about my grandchildren and my one great-grandchild. No one can tell me I do not have compassion and love for other people. Does that mean I have to have compassion for all people? NO.

My heart has been so heavy for the victims and the people of France, especially Paris and the families of the victims. Parisians got up that morning not knowing that their city was going to literally blow up in their faces. Some didn't know a family member would never be coming home again. I am devastated for these victims.

The wounds are very fresh for even those of us who did not have a loved one viciously murdered by terrorists. This unspeakable act of terror has put the world in further turmoil. My life changed last Friday.

I will not allow those who feel we should take refugees to make the decision for me. They do not have that right, IMO, and neither will they guilt me into changing my feelings in that respect. My heart breaks for the babies, children, and the elderly refugees. For those who continue to say that there are not mostly men in those numbers do not see the pictures I see. I do not want the refugees here in my state or even my country.

As I got older, I started seeing some things differently. This is one of those things. I am protective of my loved ones and even my country. I want this country to be left intact and free of terrorists. I'd rather the refugees not come here at all because we cannot support them. They will not be able to find jobs. I am not against immigration. I am against the refugees being brought here who cannot (for the most part) speak our language, support themselves, or be vetted. If that makes me a bad person, then so be it.

It's great to express opinions but it is not too cool to try to insist others have your opinion or even be criticized for having their own. I feel as you do, Nana. I've always felt free to express my opinions here unless it violates the rules!

MOO

 

[LaLaw2000]

....Abaaoud is dead, killed in the attack in St Denis Paris yesterday.......thought to of been in Syria but in fact organising attacks in Europe...

I'm glad he's dead.

 

[cottonweaver]

Mind boggling!

U.S. Investigators Struggle to Track Homegrown ISIS Suspects

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/20/u...le-to-track-homegrown-isis-suspects.html?_r=0

Interesting article there, and from your link:

"s ISIS or ISIL, began using social media to urge its sympathizers in the United States to stay put and plot violence here.

“They’re targeting the school-shooter types, the mentally ill, people with dysfunctional families and those struggling to cope with different issues,” said one senior law enforcement official ...“We have been pretty successful in disrupting these cases because they are not very sophisticated or smart.”

"......Buying guns is also legal, and investigators have watched nervously as terrorism suspects passed background checks and purchased guns more than 2,000 times in the past decade, according to government data." That is really mind-boggling - is that due to gun laws over there?

 

[CARIIS]

China vows justice after ISIS executes national

http://www.straitstimes.com/asia/east-asia/china-vows-justice-after-isis-executes-national

morning all boy they are really pis(ing of lots of folks this month

 

[Nana]

Hi, Nana! I feel as you do. I am a mother, grandmother, and even have one great-grandchild whose dad is a Staff Sergeant in the Army. I love my children and am absolutely nuts about my grandchildren and my one great-grandchild. No one can tell me I do not have compassion and love for other people. Does that mean I have to have compassion for all people? NO.

My heart has been so heavy for the victims and the people of France, especially Paris and the families of the victims. Parisians got up that morning not knowing that their city was going to literally blow up in their faces. Some didn't know a family member would never be coming home again. I am devastated for these victims.

The wounds are very fresh for even those of us who did not have a loved one viciously murdered by terrorists. This unspeakable act of terror has put the world in further turmoil. My life changed last Friday.

I will not allow those who feel we should take refugees to make the decision for me. They do not have that right, IMO, and neither will they guilt me into changing my feelings in that respect. My heart breaks for the babies, children, and the elderly refugees. For those who continue to say that there are not mostly men in those numbers do not see the pictures I see. I do not want the refugees here in my state or even my country.

As I got older, I started seeing some things differently. This is one of those things. I am protective of my loved ones and even my country. I want this country to be left intact and free of terrorists. I'd rather the refugees not come here at all because we cannot support them. They will not be able to find jobs. I am not against immigration. I am against the refugees being brought here who cannot (for the most part) speak our language, support themselves, or be vetted. If that makes me a bad person, then so be it.

It's great to express opinions but it is not too cool to try to insist others have your opinion or even be criticized for having their own. I feel as you do, Nana. I've always felt free to express my opinions here unless it violates the rules!

MOO

Great post!!
I could never have put it into those words.
Thank you from the bottom of my heart!
By the way nice to see you!

 

[CARIIS]

Interesting article there, and from your link:

"s ISIS or ISIL, began using social media to urge its sympathizers in the United States to stay put and plot violence here.

“They’re targeting the school-shooter types, the mentally ill, people with dysfunctional families and those struggling to cope with different issues,” said one senior law enforcement official ...“We have been pretty successful in disrupting these cases because they are not very sophisticated or smart.”

"......Buying guns is also legal, and investigators have watched nervously as terrorism suspects passed background checks and purchased guns more than 2,000 times in the past decade, according to government data." That is really mind-boggling - is that due to gun laws over there?

We dont have real gun laws Wal Marts have housewares, sports,pots, and guns sections!

Firearms : Shooting - Walmart.com

www.walmart.com/browse/.


But IMO gun control is not gonna change anything here in usa- there are so many outthere already its numbing

In America, there are approximately 270 million firearms possessed by civilians, and only 897,000 carried by police.

https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=how+many+guns+in+america

just for folks who live in saner places ,

for some perspective , I typed in gun prices
I got 82,300,000 results in 0.45 seconds!

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[Momoffourboys]

Interesting article there, and from your link:

"s ISIS or ISIL, began using social media to urge its sympathizers in the United States to stay put and plot violence here.

“They’re targeting the school-shooter types, the mentally ill, people with dysfunctional families and those struggling to cope with different issues,” said one senior law enforcement official ...“We have been pretty successful in disrupting these cases because they are not very sophisticated or smart.”

"......Buying guns is also legal, and investigators have watched nervously as terrorism suspects passed background checks and purchased guns more than 2,000 times in the past decade, according to government data." That is really mind-boggling - is that due to gun laws over there?

As for gun laws-in my state...
For the average businessman, who applies for a pistol permit for legit reasons, it is an extremely long and demanding process. You need personal referances, lots of paper work, valid reasons for the permit, background checks and much more....as it should be.

That's why I am appalled at that statement in the article.

 

[Momoffourboys]

CARIIS!!!
What in the world is that^^^^?