France - Machine Gun attack on magazine Charlie Hebdo #1

[Mrs G Norris]

Aren't we all getting sick of our leaders denying to our faces what we and they know is the truth, it's such a strange dance.

 

[Elley Mae]

For those that care about reality, Snopes has the details on what Obama really said at the UN:

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/obamafuture.asp

"The future must not belong to those who slander the prophet of Islam. But to be credible, those who condemn that slander must also condemn the hate we see in the images of Jesus Christ that are desecrated, or churches that are destroyed, or the Holocaust that is denied."

One of my favorite pictures is of Jesus Christ on the cross dangling by a cord off of a rearview mirror, the driver is flying down the rd and Jesus is hanging on to the cross for dear life. It's funny as chit to me. Now santa I believe in.

 

[Cappuccino]

For those that care about reality, Snopes has the details on what Obama really said at the UN:

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/obamafuture.asp

"The future must not belong to those who slander the prophet of Islam. But to be credible, those who condemn that slander must also condemn the hate we see in the images of Jesus Christ that are desecrated, or churches that are destroyed, or the Holocaust that is denied."

If that article is supposed defend Obama, it doesn't do a very good job. He compared people drawing satirical images of Mohammed to Holocaust deniers and people who desecrate and destroy churches. Which makes him a numpty because drawing a picture of an historical figure - even an unflattering one - is in no way comparable to destroying someone else's property or promoting anti-Semitic lies that the Jews invented the Holocaust.

 

[Colin de France]

1.5 Million in Paris and over 600,000 Thousand throughout the country.....

 

[Momoffourboys]

Didn't the French confirm the link to AlQaeda??


Top Obama military adviser: No al Qaeda link to Paris attacks

http://thehill.com/policy/international/229143-paris-gunmen-have-not-yet-been-linked-to-al-qaeda

Yemeni al-Qaeda claims French magazine attack
Security tight in Paris as al-Qaeda figure says Charlie Hebdo shooting was meant to show France limits of press freedom.

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/europ...rench-magazine-attack-201511073656841867.html

 

[Cappuccino]

Didn't the French confirm the link to AlQaeda??


Top Obama military adviser: No al Qaeda link to Paris attacks

http://thehill.com/policy/international/229143-paris-gunmen-have-not-yet-been-linked-to-al-qaeda

I don't know if the French security services said it, but the terrorists themselves did. They said to some of their hostages that they were al Qaeda, and there was also some evidence that two of them had spent time in a training camp in Yemen.

 

[Elley Mae]

AP Exclusive: Witness to Paris officer's death regrets video

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/storie...ME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2015-01-11-12-50-36

Mir said he left the video on Facebook for as little as 15 minutes before thinking the better of it and taking it down.

It was too late.

The footage had already been shared across the site and someone uploaded it to YouTube. Less than an hour after Mir removed the video from his page, he was startled to find it playing across his television screen.

 

[nrdsb4]

Barack Obama publically criticised Charlie Hebdo for its Mohammed cartoons at a UN conference a few years ago. Maybe the French didn't want the hypocrisy.

I don't know exactly what Obama said in this situation. But I see nothing wrong with criticizing cartoons one feels are offensive. Key word being "criticize." We are free to print cartoons like that, and others are free to criticize them, write letters to the editors, boycott, march against, etc. That is what happens in a free society. What we DON'T do is assassinate people whose cartoons offend us. I might find some of CH's cartoons offensive, and I might criticize them. It does not make me a hypocrite to be outraged that anyone would answer these cartoons with violence. I believe in CH's right to free speech, as well as my right to express my thoughts on their content. Supposedly one of the main points of satire is to generate discussion, and I don't think any satirist considers himself above criticism. They KNOW they will offend, and they expect the discourse and don't deny the other side their moment.

 

[Momoffourboys]

Here is a list of world political figures who have confirmed their attendance:

Albania — Prime Minister Edi Rama

Algeria — Foreign Minister Ramtane Lamamra

Austria — Foreign Minister Sebastian Kurz

Belgium — Prime Minister Charles Michel

Benin — President Thomas Boni Yayi

Britain — Prime Minister David Cameron

Bulgaria — Prime Minister Boyko Borisov

Canada — Public Safety Minister Steven Blaney

Croatia — Prime Minister Zoran Milanovic

Czech — Prime Minister Bohuslav Sobotka

Denmark — Prime Minister Helle Thorning-Schmidt

Gabon — President Ali Bongo Ondimba

Georgia — Prime Minister Irakli Garibashvili

Germany — Chancellor Angela Merkel

Greece — Prime Minister Antonis Samaras

Hungary — Prime Minister Viktor Orban

Israel — Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman

Italy — Prime Minister Matteo Renzi

Jordan — King Abdullah II and Queen Rania

Latvia — Prime Minister Laimdota Straujuma

Mali — President Ibrahim Boubacar Keita

Niger — President Mahamadou Issoufou

Palestinian territories — president Mahmud Abbas

Portugal — Prime Minister Pedro Passos Coelho

Romania — President Klaus Iohannis

Russia — Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov

Spain — Prime Minister Mariano Rajoy

Switzerland — President Simonetta Sommaruga

The Netherlands — Prime Minister Mark Rutte

Tunisia — Prime Minister Mehdi Jomaa

Turkey — Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoglu

United Arab Emirates — Foreign Minister Sheikh Abdullah bin Zayed al-Nahayan

Ukraine — President Petro Poroshenko

United States — Attorney General Eric Holder

European Commission — President Jean-Claude Juncker

European Parliament — President Martin Schulz

European Union — President Donald Tusk

NATO — Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg



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[Waddles]

Thanks for your support guys, today was amazing! Home safe and sound. Today was so special, it really felt like something huge and historical and we were all in it together. All of Paris seemed to be out there, cheered on by onlookers from buildings. Big cheers every time we passed police. I'll send pics soon.

 

[Colin de France]

Thanks for your support guys, today was amazing! Home safe and sound. Today was so special, it really felt like something huge and historical and we were all in it together. All of Paris seemed to be out there, cheered on by onlookers from buildings. Big cheers every time we passed police. I'll send pics soon.

Yes it was a good day, in my home town of 16 Thousand there were 10.5 Thousand on our march ....

 

[Trident]

I see nothing wrong with criticizing cartoons one feels are offensive. Key word being "criticize." We are free to print cartoons like that, and others are free to criticize them, write letters to the editors, boycott, march against, etc. That is what happens in a free society. What we DON'T do is assassinate people whose cartoons offend us. I might find some of CH's cartoons offensive, and I might criticize them. It does not make me a hypocrite to be outraged that anyone would answer these cartoons with violence. I believe in CH's right to free speech, as well as my right to express my thoughts on their content. Supposedly one of the main points of satire is to generate discussion, and I don't think any satirist considers himself above criticism. They KNOW they will offend, and they expect the discourse and don't deny the other side their moment.

Well, actually we're not. If one drew mocking cartoons about AAs, there would be more than criticism, if anyone follows the news.

I see hypocracy ALL over the place.

 

[Waddles]

Photos

 

[Waddles]

 

[Footwarrior]

If that article is supposed defend Obama, it doesn't do a very good job. He compared people drawing satirical images of Mohammed to Holocaust deniers and people who desecrate and destroy churches. Which makes him a numpty because drawing a picture of an historical figure - even an unflattering one - is in no way comparable to destroying someone else's property or promoting anti-Semitic lies that the Jews invented the Holocaust.

Actually I disagree with Obama on this issue, but understand the point he was trying to make. If you are offended by someone making fun of your religion, or desecrating your holy places, or attacking your followers, you should also be offended when the same is done to another religion.

I draw the line a bit differently. Religious faiths should not be exempt from satire or critics even if it offends the believers. Governments should protect those who believe in the faith as they would any person. The ideas and beliefs of a faith need to stand on their own.

 

[Cappuccino]

I don't know exactly what Obama said in this situation. But I see nothing wrong with criticizing cartoons one feels are offensive. Key word being "criticize." We are free to print cartoons like that, and others are free to criticize them, write letters to the editors, boycott, march against, etc. That is what happens in a free society. What we DON'T do is assassinate people whose cartoons offend us. I might find some of CH's cartoons offensive, and I might criticize them. It does not make me a hypocrite to be outraged that anyone would answer these cartoons with violence. I believe in CH's right to free speech, as well as my right to express my thoughts on their content. Supposedly one of the main points of satire is to generate discussion, and I don't think any satirist considers himself above criticism. They KNOW they will offend, and they expect the discourse and don't deny the other side their moment.

That's a very good post. Its also what Barack Obama should have said.

 

[Cappuccino]

Here is a list of world political figures who have confirmed their attendance:

Albania — Prime Minister Edi Rama

Algeria — Foreign Minister Ramtane Lamamra

Austria — Foreign Minister Sebastian Kurz

Belgium — Prime Minister Charles Michel

Benin — President Thomas Boni Yayi

Britain — Prime Minister David Cameron

Bulgaria — Prime Minister Boyko Borisov

Canada — Public Safety Minister Steven Blaney

Croatia — Prime Minister Zoran Milanovic

Czech — Prime Minister Bohuslav Sobotka

Denmark — Prime Minister Helle Thorning-Schmidt

Gabon — President Ali Bongo Ondimba

Georgia — Prime Minister Irakli Garibashvili

Germany — Chancellor Angela Merkel

Greece — Prime Minister Antonis Samaras

Hungary — Prime Minister Viktor Orban

Israel — Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman

Italy — Prime Minister Matteo Renzi

Jordan — King Abdullah II and Queen Rania

Latvia — Prime Minister Laimdota Straujuma

Mali — President Ibrahim Boubacar Keita

Niger — President Mahamadou Issoufou

Palestinian territories — president Mahmud Abbas

Portugal — Prime Minister Pedro Passos Coelho

Romania — President Klaus Iohannis

Russia — Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov

Spain — Prime Minister Mariano Rajoy

Switzerland — President Simonetta Sommaruga

The Netherlands — Prime Minister Mark Rutte

Tunisia — Prime Minister Mehdi Jomaa

Turkey — Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoglu

United Arab Emirates — Foreign Minister Sheikh Abdullah bin Zayed al-Nahayan

Ukraine — President Petro Poroshenko

United States — Attorney General Eric Holder

European Commission — President Jean-Claude Juncker

European Parliament — President Martin Schulz

European Union — President Donald Tusk

NATO — Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg



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That's not a complete list of those who attended either, I think that was just those who had confirmed at the time that article went to press. There were far more heads of government there than that.

 

[jillycat]

For those that care about reality, Snopes has the details on what Obama really said at the UN:

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/obamafuture.asp

"The future must not belong to those who slander the prophet of Islam. But to be credible, those who condemn that slander must also condemn the hate we see in the images of Jesus Christ that are desecrated, or churches that are destroyed, or the Holocaust that is denied."

Yes, am familiar with the complete feeble PC comparison/'contrast/ remark. It's the familiar "But..." qualifier in reverse. Usually we hear it in the format of " I condemn the murder of innocent people, BUT...", and then various versions of 'slandering the prophet and offending Muslims is wrong' are trotted out. As if there is moral equivalence.

Regardless of this game of words, the US President is on record with his position that, first and foremost, the issue is one of aligning with the Islamic world on the folly of "slandering" its prophet -- to the point that those who engage in what he and the Islamic world refer to through legal terminology (and the rest of us see as free speech), shall, or are, deprived of a future in some way.

Obviously, we just witnessed the terrorist POV on what denial of a future means.

 

[CARIIS]

At the end of the day, simple, but a truth.

What we call war, they call inflicting terror on their loved ones.

What we call terror, they call it war

What is the defination of war: killing, causing hardship , fear

What is the defination of terrorism , killing, causing hardship , fear

Whoever is using what words in what context, both are accurate.

Until that simple truth is grasped, there wont be an end...........................................

 

[SStarr33]

Here is a list of world political figures who have confirmed their attendance:

Albania — Prime Minister Edi Rama

Algeria — Foreign Minister Ramtane Lamamra

Austria — Foreign Minister Sebastian Kurz

Belgium — Prime Minister Charles Michel

Benin — President Thomas Boni Yayi

Britain — Prime Minister David Cameron

Bulgaria — Prime Minister Boyko Borisov

Canada — Public Safety Minister Steven Blaney

Croatia — Prime Minister Zoran Milanovic

Czech — Prime Minister Bohuslav Sobotka

Denmark — Prime Minister Helle Thorning-Schmidt

Gabon — President Ali Bongo Ondimba

Georgia — Prime Minister Irakli Garibashvili

Germany — Chancellor Angela Merkel

Greece — Prime Minister Antonis Samaras

Hungary — Prime Minister Viktor Orban

Israel — Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman

Italy — Prime Minister Matteo Renzi

Jordan — King Abdullah II and Queen Rania

Latvia — Prime Minister Laimdota Straujuma

Mali — President Ibrahim Boubacar Keita

Niger — President Mahamadou Issoufou

Palestinian territories — president Mahmud Abbas

Portugal — Prime Minister Pedro Passos Coelho

Romania — President Klaus Iohannis

Russia — Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov

Spain — Prime Minister Mariano Rajoy

Switzerland — President Simonetta Sommaruga

The Netherlands — Prime Minister Mark Rutte

Tunisia — Prime Minister Mehdi Jomaa

Turkey — Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoglu

United Arab Emirates — Foreign Minister Sheikh Abdullah bin Zayed al-Nahayan

Ukraine — President Petro Poroshenko

United States — Attorney General Eric Holder

European Commission — President Jean-Claude Juncker

European Parliament — President Martin Schulz

European Union — President Donald Tusk

NATO — Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg



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It's wrong since Holder was not there.