FRANCE - Truck drives into crowd celebrating Bastille Day in Nice, 2016 *Guilty*

[Gardenista]

I'm glad someone brought up Israel. I think it would be beneficial for all civilized nations to come together to consult with them on how better to prevent terror attacks. They live in one of the most volatile areas in the entire world, totally surrounded by people who would like to wipe them from the face of the earth. Of course, over the years they have suffered many terrorist attacks, but in recent years they seem to have drastically reduced the number of attacks quite successfully. They have had more experience than any other nation in learning how to protect themselves & their citizens. I do not know this for a fact, but I suspect that one of the things that they do is profiling. I'm sure some here will slam me for mentioning profiling & so be it. When the enemy looks like a duck, walks like a duck. & quacks like a duck, it very likely is a duck. One reason that I believe they profile is that I have been to Israel. It is literally easier for me to get into & out of Israel than it is to get out of & back into the U.S. I suspect the Israelis have not had a terrorism problem involving elderly, gray haired grannies. The U.S. is so busy doing security checks on everyone that they fail to notice the really bad guys. I haven't traveled abroad recently but the last time I was in Europe the only country where I was scrutinized closely was in Spain.

This all JMO, IMO.

Agree--profiling is very smart.

 

[Ray_of_hope]

Okay, this might seem like a tangent, but....my mind needs to rest somewhere other than the graphic images and coverage.

Neighbors have mentioned that the killer was impolite and didn't hold doors open for others. We all know that type. This is NOT to imply that people without manners are therefore criminals....but it does show the importance, imo, of teaching our kids manners.

When you open the door consistently for others, when you smile and exchange pleasantries with neighbors, when you give off the demeanor of thoughtfulness, this becomes habit. Manners help shape your character and influence your outlook on life. I want my kids to be thoughtful, caring people...and ONE way (of many ways) to instill those character traits is to teach manners.

And that goes for us too - we grown-ups need to show manners - even when it seems that the culture around us is losing the habits of good manners. Maybe one teeny tiny thing we can do in response to these tragedies is to spruce up our own manners. Americans are a friendly people - so let's support our culture and BE NICE to someone today...a stranger, a neighbor, a friend, a relative, a pet, the environment. Just be nice.

And, please, don't tell me this doesn't matter in the face of terrorism. I know my friendly smile means nothing to someone who hates me. But, it matters to me. And it's something active I can do besides reading news reports and worrying our world is too much of a mess to fix.

Just my personal, dorky, heart-felt opinion.

Post of the day, IMO.

 

[rsd1200]

I'm glad someone brought up Israel. I think it would be beneficial for all civilized nations to come together to consult with them on how better to prevent terror attacks. They live in one of the most volatile areas in the entire world, totally surrounded by people who would like to wipe them from the face of the earth. Of course, over the years they have suffered many terrorist attacks, but in recent years they seem to have drastically reduced the number of attacks quite successfully. They have had more experience than any other nation in learning how to protect themselves & their citizens. I do not know this for a fact, but I suspect that one of the things that they do is profiling. I'm sure some here will slam me for mentioning profiling & so be it. When the enemy looks like a duck, walks like a duck. & quacks like a duck, it very likely is a duck. One reason that I believe they profile is that I have been to Israel. It is literally easier for me to get into & out of Israel than it is to get out of & back into the U.S. I suspect the Israelis have not had a terrorism problem involving elderly, gray haired grannies. The U.S. is so busy doing security checks on everyone that they fail to notice the really bad guys. I haven't traveled abroad recently but the last time I was in Europe the only country where I was scrutinized closely was in Spain.

This all JMO, IMO.

I do think that we should look to Israel for some advice. I've read of several things they've implemented, that are not necessarily "profiling", to help keep their citizens safer. However, it also, imo, after living w/o those things, I don't know how I'd feel about them, once in place. We are also a much, much, larger nation than Israel, so putting some of those things into place may be much more difficult. Possibly in large cities but I don't see it happening out here in BFE where I live, and I'm fine with that honestly. As far as "profiling"? Yes, to some degree. But, if you mainly look at one, or two, types of persons, then you are going to miss the other nuts running around in this country who are out to do harm b/c of the weird beliefs and agendas that they have as well. Also, a lot of ours have been homegrown terrorists. It's not that Islamic Extremists are sneaking in through borders, or on airplanes. They've been here awhile and become extremists. Everything changed, a LOT, after 9/11. I used to fly quite a bit and it was enjoyable and easy. It's a pain in the rear now. I'll drive thank you. You're not really going to get on or off a plane here, as a terrorist, all that easily.

 

[Hope4More]

Oh my god.

When the whole word is a war zone we don't have the luxury of protecting their innocence. Or maybe we do. Maybe it's worth it to protect them? I don't know. If my daughter were that young I have no idea how I would explain any of this or if I would.

In this age of media saturation, we as parents are forced to try to explain these inexplicable acts of horror. I can't express how unbearably sad that makes me.

I've had to tell my precious, irreplaceable, sensitive, wonder of a child----most people are good, but not everyone is, and that sometimes people are so consumed with hatred and anger they try to destroy everything and everyone around them, and that it is an unforgivable and cowardly choice they make to hurt others rather than to face up to their own problems, however painful they may be.

An explanation that thank God I can tell in the abstract. That little boy's grandfather, living the unbearable directly, did what was most merciful, which was to tell his grandson, yes, it was just a dream.

 

[cady]

Not the same at all, but my mom was in the early stages of alzheimers when 911 happened. I had to keep repeating that it was that guy on TV's wicked plan and she kept saying "but, he looks soooo sweet". OK Mom. JMO

 

[dotr]

Friday July 15, 2016
Attack in Nice: why is France targeted?

http://www.cbc.ca/radio/thecurrent/...tack-in-nice-why-is-france-targeted-1.3680387
Video.

On The Current​, Nancy Heslin, the editor in chief of Nice's English language news magazine, The Riviera, offers astonishing first-hand experiences of the attack, including interactions with the driver of the lorry.

"There was a look in his eyes, but he was smiling."

Heslin, who is from Toronto but has lived in Nice for 15 years, goes on to cite problems of integration and unemployment in France as key contributors to the rise of radicalism in that country.

Then, political analyst and author of The Islamist, Loretta Napoleoni, expands the scope to discuss why France, in particular, has been targeted three times in the last 18 months. "It is an anti-imperial message to the west."

 

[gregjrichards]

Man arrested for carrying machete/large knife at Nice vigil. Thank God they caught him.

"The man was reportedly armed with a large knife when he attended the vigil for the 84 victims of last night's massacre.

Police are said to have arrested the man quickly."

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/690022/Man-with-machete-arrested-at-Nice-terror-attack-vigil

 

[faw720]

I do think that we should look to Israel for some advice. I've read of several things they've implemented, that are not necessarily "profiling", to help keep their citizens safer. However, it also, imo, after living w/o those things, I don't know how I'd feel about them, once in place. We are also a much, much, larger nation than Israel, so putting some of those things into place may be much more difficult. Possibly in large cities but I don't see it happening out here in BFE where I live, and I'm fine with that honestly. As far as "profiling"? Yes, to some degree. But, if you mainly look at one, or two, types of persons, then you are going to miss the other nuts running around in this country who are out to do harm b/c of the weird beliefs and agendas that they have as well. Also, a lot of ours have been homegrown terrorists. It's not that Islamic Extremists are sneaking in through borders, or on airplanes. They've been here awhile and become extremists. Everything changed, a LOT, after 9/11. I used to fly quite a bit and it was enjoyable and easy. It's a pain in the rear now. I'll drive thank you. You're not really going to get on or off a plane here, as a terrorist, all that easily.

Sorry, I guess I'm dense, but what is BFE?

 

[x_files]

France is very lenient to their criminals. It works most of the time.

way too lenient it seems, unfortunately. This guy had rage issues.

 

[ZaZara]

Friday July 15, 2016
Attack in Nice: why is France targeted?

http://www.cbc.ca/radio/thecurrent/...tack-in-nice-why-is-france-targeted-1.3680387
Video.

Sigh. Nice was attacked because that is where the perp lived.
The likes of him are living in other cities and they are planning other attacks.
No threat is averted because someone can think up reasons why X or Y would make a better target than A, B, C or their own home town.

Why was (is!) Belgium targeted?

 

[cady]

Sorry, I guess I'm dense, but what is BFE?

LOL bum efff Egypt JMO

 

[cady]

EEK! MSNBC Military coup in Turkey!!!!!! JMO Richard Engel saying

 

[bluesneakers]

EEK! MSNBC Military coup in Turkey!!!!!! JMO Richard Engel saying

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?312548-Coup-attempt-underway-in-Turkey

 

[faw720]

One thing that I also think really needs to be addressed is immigration. For years the civilized nations of Europe & also the U.S. have welcomed immigrants with open arms hoping to share our way of life with those from oppressive nations & give them the opportunity of a new beginning. We, in good faith, have hoped to provide solace to those who need it so badly. Certainly not all, but far too many, have repaid our kindness with murderous 'cave man' tactics by murdering innocents willy-nilly. It's time for a strenuous background check before we even let them into our countries. Some innocents may suffer & that is sad!! However, if immigrants continue to flow into our counties unchecked, civilization will eventually be destroyed.

 

[gregjrichards]

List of confirmed victims of Nice attack so far May they Rest In Peace

Sean Copeland, 51, and Brodie Copeland, 11
Linda Casanova, 54
Fatima Charrihi, 60
Robert Marchand, 60
Viktoria Savchenko, 21
Francis Locatelli, 82; Christiane Locatelli, 78; Véronique Lion, 55; and Michael Pellegrini, 28
Mohammed Ben Abdelkader Toukabri and Bilel Labbaoui
Timothé Fournier, 27 (Died saving his wife who is 7 months pregnant )
Emmanuel Grout, 48

http://www.teenvogue.com/story/terror-attack-nice-france-victims-names?mbid=social_twitter

Information about victims at link I will update when further names are released.

 

[faw720]

EEK! MSNBC Military coup in Turkey!!!!!! JMO Richard Engel saying

Oh, Lord!!!!!!!!!!! Turkey is or was one of the more peaceful, rational Muslim nations. Gotta go tune into MSNBC.

 

[rsd1200]

Not the same at all, but my mom was in the early stages of alzheimers when 911 happened. I had to keep repeating that it was that guy on TV's wicked plan and she kept saying "but, he looks soooo sweet". OK Mom. JMO

Had to explain it to my young grandchild as we were watching the news and my grandchild came in and started listening and asked about what was being said and shown at that point. I put it in as simple terms as possible. There was a bad man who wanted to hurt a lot of people. Why? Because he was very mean. Did he hurt them? Yes, a lot of them. Are they going to be okay? Most of them will be okay. Is he going to be mean to them again? No. They captured him and he is gone. He can never hurt anyone again.

This seemed to satisfy, for the moment anyway.

 

[rsd1200]

Sorry, I guess I'm dense, but what is BFE?

Well, it's sort of a regional term, I guess. I shouldn't have used but I type like I speak lots of times. Sorry. We call it by the abbreviation, BFE, but some folks use the long term, bumf***egypt. :blushing: Sorry.

 

[dotr]

Sigh. Nice was attacked because that is where the perp lived.
The likes of him are living in other cities and they are planning other attacks.
No threat is averted because someone can think up reasons why X or Y would make a better target than A, B, C or their own home town.

Why was (is!) Belgium targeted?

Essentially, countries that are most populated with Muslims, are the ones most likely to experience terrorist attacks?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_in_the_European_Union_by_Muslim_population

According to the Pew Forum, the total number of Muslims in Europe in 2010 was about 44 million (6%).[6] The total number of Muslims in the European Union in 2010 was about 19 million (3.8%).[6] The French capital of Paris and its metropolitan area has the largest number (up to 1.7 million according to The Economist)[7] of Muslims out of any city in the European Union. London also has a substantial community of Muslim origin, numbering about 1 million within the limits of Greater London and exceeding this figure when the entire metropolitan area is taken into account.

If the current rate of migration of Muslims to Europe and the Muslim fertility rate remains constant, by 2030, people of Muslim faith or origin are predicted to form about 10% of the French population[6] and 8% of the European population.[6]

 

[human]

One thing that I also think really needs to be addressed is immigration. For years the civilized nations of Europe & also the U.S. have welcomed immigrants with open arms hoping to share our way of life with those from oppressive nations & give them the opportunity of a new beginning. We, in good faith, have hoped to provide solace to those who need it so badly. Certainly not all, but far too many, have repaid our kindness with murderous 'cave man' tactics by murdering innocents willy-nilly. It's time for a strenuous background check before we even let them into our countries. Some innocents may suffer & that is sad!! However, if immigrants continue to flow into our counties unchecked, civilization will eventually be destroyed.

You may wish to check immigration laws. I think you ma be surprised at the checks and hoops