Friday 's hearing, what do you predict?

[Melanie]

I read on another thread that a poster (sorry can't remember name) was sending the pics to KC....One at a time for several days! KC must have been totally pi$$ed with each and every pic.

Thank you - that made my day. I can hear her now "Oh, I'm sitting here in jail, while you all are out on a cruise having a great time. I"VE NEVER BEEN ON A CRUISE". I'm sure that's why the A's wanted to keep it so hush hush.

:woohoo:

 

[sleutherontheside]

Thank you - that made my day. I can hear her now "Oh, I'm sitting here in jail, while you all are out on a cruise having a great time. I"VE NEVER BEEN ON A CRUISE". I'm sure that's why the A's wanted to keep it so hush hush.

:woohoo:

That was Momtective and IIRC there was discussion of sending in postcard form. You'll have to ask her how it went.

 

[The World According]

I think this vieio was staged and not candid, they are not misbehaving as usual.
I think you are kidding because parents who do not love their children do not put themselves on the line for their child. IMHO they did.
I am not saying that what they did is right, but they are parents. Cindy and George are a piece of work as we say, I do not believe much of anything they say, and we do not have to like them certainly we don't agree with the circus they produce around it all..
BUT they do love their daughter. I think KC finally got their attention all to herself.

We can respectfully disagree, Songline. What brings me to this conclusion is her telling Casey's friends Casey is a "sociopath", she said that to Ryan. Her telling Jesse, according to him, why do you want to waste your life on someone who hasn't even finished high school, who can't even provide for her daughter, I do everything for Caylee, was very telling to me. She disparaged Casey every chance she got! When she told Amy all the lies and all the stealing from the family Casey had done was a glimpse. When Cindy walked in to Tony's apartment and told him I hope you are rich buddy; because, she is going to rob you blind and leave you high and dry, that was a glimpse. When Shirley the Great Gram , God bless that woman, said Casey may hate Cindy more than she loved Caylee, that showed a hint of the true nature of their relationship. I could give you a hundred examples, but this is just MY take on it, I am not a psychiatrist, though you would think I was a counselor or bartender with how my friends call me with their latest drama and ask for my quick comeback. LOL! This FBI agent has a full education and experience studying people, listen to his take on Cindy as he explains to George. It is VERY apparent to him that Cindy's main concern is that Cindy presents as having raised Casey well and that CINDY was a good mother. If it is more helpful, I will try to find Cindy's FBI interview. When I watched that it jumped out at me that she said "I" a million times. It is just my opinion, but someone , maybe Mark, maybe Andrea..... maybe a friend, maybe Lee.... Unlcle Rick...... someone must have told these two that it is NOT HELPING CASEY for them to be on the media tours, and even the foundation is going to be viewed very, very poorly by the jury, yet they continue. The only reason one can infer is that CINDY likes the media attention, more than deep down she wants to help her daughter. Helping her daughter would require the self discipline to remain private until the trial. I don't think they wake up in the morning and say to themselves let's make Casey look bad. I think it is deep down, subconscious even, but they do hate Casey for Caylee being gone from their lives, we can put a bow on it, and make any excuses, but deep down they know Casey did something and the result is there is no Caylee, she is gone. That is forever! Who they loved was that baby. What matters to Cindy especially is that she presents that SHE DID NOT RAISE SOMEONE CAPABLE OF THIS. It is jut my opinion, and as I have been more times than I can count, I could be wrong.

Just humor me and re watch the FBI interviews. They are from the beginning and emotions were raw. You see more true colors then.[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-3ex6v1Fa8[/ame]

 

[TallyHo]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZvEhnzlobA

Ouch!!! This is head exploding material. I heard another one from 8/6/08 where she was being interviewed out in front of her garage and she says much of the same stuff about the media being to blame for Caylee's not being back, but she slips in a huge way IMO in that one because her quote was that "if we can prove that something happened to Caylee while she was out of Casey's custody, then everyone will be to blame". While claiming that Caylee was alive and that nothing had happened to her. And that's not a normal way to say that to shift blame - the "if we can prove" gives a glimpse into what she was really thinking, I believe. I have followed this case from the beginning and have tried to give the Anthony's the benefit of the doubt (yes, I know...), but hearing that (over the weekend) sealed the deal for me. They knew. Very shortly after the 911 calls were placed. And then there was no way to put that horse back in the barn. And listening to Cindy on this one morphing Casey's lies into "clues"... well, sometimes there just are no words! :banghead:

 

[The World According]

Jean C. was just on In Session explaining how these motions are going to be shot down by the State!!! I agree with her. I think the only thing the judge may agree with is if it is not normal for the attorney /clients meetings videos to be saved, he may order in this case be done as what is normal, nothing more, nothing less. Everything else he will deny. I hope. After Friday Casey may finally come to the realization that Baez cannot save her from her fate. Remember in Tracy's interview with LE she told how Casey believed there would be a COV, mistrial, or she would be found not guilty because of the holes in the states case. Baez had her believing Andrea was the hero that was going to make the big difference here, so far .....not so much. When her "expert" motions get denied, will this bring Casey to reality or will this really drag on for another year?

 

[songline]

We can respectfully disagree, Songline. What brings me to this conclusion is her telling Casey's friends Casey is a "sociopath", she said that to Ryan. Her telling Jesse, according to him, why do you want to waste your life on someone who hasn't even finished high school, who can't even provide for her daughter, I do everything for Caylee, was very telling to me. She disparaged Casey every chance she got! When she told Amy all the lies and all the stealing from the family Casey had done was a glimpse. When Cindy walked in to Tony's apartment and told him I hope you are rich buddy; because, she is going to rob you blind and leave you high and dry, that was a glimpse. When Shirley the Great Gram , God bless that woman, said Casey may hate Cindy more than she loved Caylee, that showed a hint of the true nature of their relationship. I could give you a hundred examples, but this is just MY take on it, I am not a psychiatrist, though you would think I was a counselor or bartender with how my friends call me with their latest drama and ask for my quick comeback. LOL! This FBI agent has a full education and experience studying people, listen to his take on Cindy as he explains to George. It is VERY apparent to him that Cindy's main concern is that Cindy presents as having raised Casey well and that CINDY was a good mother. If it is more helpful, I will try to find Cindy's FBI interview. When I watched that it jumped out at me that she said "I" a million times. It is just my opinion, but someone , maybe Mark, maybe Andrea..... maybe a friend, maybe Lee.... Unlcle Rick...... someone must have told these two that it is NOT HELPING CASEY for them to be on the media tours, and even the foundation is going to be viewed very, very poorly by the jury, yet they continue. The only reason one can infer is that CINDY likes the media attention, more than deep down she wants to help her daughter. Helping her daughter would require the self discipline to remain private until the trial. I don't think they wake up in the morning and say to themselves let's make Casey look bad. I think it is deep down, subconscious even, but they do hate Casey for Caylee being gone from their lives, we can put a bow on it, and make any excuses, but deep down they know Casey did something and the result is there is no Caylee, she is gone. That is forever! Who they loved was that baby. What matters to Cindy especially is that she presents that SHE DID NOT RAISE SOMEONE CAPABLE OF THIS. It is jut my opinion, and as I have been more times than I can count, I could be wrong.

Just humor me and re watch the FBI interviews. They are from the beginning and emotions were raw. You see more true colors then.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-3ex6v1Fa8

I did watch it and I still do not get that her parents DONT love her.
FYI - I totally love my daughter who is bipolar, and I too have stood there in front of her friends and said "You are lying" so when you want to tell the truth I will listen...THIS does not mean I do not love her.
We can agree to disagree on that piece...
Do I like the way the "A" handled any of this I DON'T but that is not the same as her parent so not love her.....
I do not think they put their lives on the line because they do not love her, or that they messed up the evidence because they do not love her....
MHO

 

[Kentjbkent]

I did watch it and I still do not get that her parents DONT love her.FYI - I totally love my daughter who is bipolar, and I too have stood there in front of her friends and said "You are lying" so when you want to tell the truth I will listen...THIS does not mean I do not love her.
We can agree to disagree on that piece...
Do I like the way the "A" handled any of this I DON'T but that is not the same as her parent so not love her.....
I do not think they put their lives on the line because they do not love her, or that they messed up the evidence because they do not love her....
MHO

I have to agree with you. The behaviors of KC and CA have always boggled my mind because I simply could not fathom the possibility of their various attitudes. I have read and seen (on TV) various pyschs label KC and (possibly) CA as "sociopathic" but still didnn't understand the mentality.

Then I read postings on another Caylee forum about an excellent book that gives a very good graphic description so picked it up this weekend.

"The Sociopath Next Door" by Martha Stout. (excerpt at link)

Now I completely understand KC and CA actions....

http://search.barnesandnoble.com/Th...767915823/?itm=1&USRI=The+Sociopath+Next+Door

 

[Novice Seeker]

I think this vieio was staged and not candid, they are not misbehaving as usual.
I think you are kidding because parents who do not love their children do not put themselves on the line for their child. IMHO they did.
I am not saying that what they did is right, but they are parents. Cindy and George are a piece of work as we say, I do not believe much of anything they say, and we do not have to like them certainly we don't agree with the circus they produce around it all..
BUT they do love their daughter. I think KC finally got their attention all to herself.

It would depend on how this family defines LOVE. Where was the love when KC was stealing from grandma, mom and Lee? Where was the love when KC was out partying instead of being at home with her own child? Where was the love when a mental health specialist recommended KC find other housing and start acting like an adult?

IMO this isn't love, it's enabling. I'm a mother who dearly loves her children but I would never tolerate, excuse or justify from any of my children the disrepectufl, rude, deceitful, selfish and criminal behavior that KC has been allowed all of her life.

Novice Seeker

 

[The World According]

It would depend on how this family defines LOVE. Where was the love when KC was stealing from grandma, mom and Lee? Where was the love when KC was out partying instead of being at home with her own child? Where was the love when a mental health specialist recommended KC find other housing and start acting like an adult?

IMO this isn't love, it's enabling. I'm a mother who dearly loves her children but I would never tolerate, excuse or justify from any of my children the disrepectufl, rude, deceitful, selfish and criminal behavior that KC has been allowed all of her life.

Novice Seeker

I guess what I am trying to say I am doing a poor job of. I agree with you, this kind of "love" Cindy has for Casey is very dangerous. Rather than correcting her and teaching her morals and values the lazy, emotionally unintelligent, immature sorry excuse for parenting did not prepare Casey for adult life, it set her up to fail miserably. In her mind she may love Casey, but it is from a rather skewed vantage point. I still stand by my feeling that Cindy is very concerned about how this reflects on Cindy. How else do you explain a RN being in such denial that she doesn't drag the teenager to a doctor to get the VITAL PRENATAL CARE, A NURSE VERY WELL UNDERSTANDS TO BE NEEDED. I agree with Kent, there is some serious undiagnosed mental problems there. I am glad we can peacefully exchange ideas, it is how we learn how other members of the jury may think, eh?

Children Learn What They Live
By Dorothy Law Nolte, Ph.D.


If children live with criticism, they learn to condemn.
If children live with hostility, they learn to fight.
If children live with fear, they learn to be apprehensive.
If children live with pity, they learn to feel sorry for themselves.
If children live with ridicule, they learn to feel shy.
If children live with jealousy, they learn to feel envy.
If children live with shame, they learn to feel guilty.
If children live with encouragement, they learn confidence.
If children live with tolerance, they learn patience.
If children live with praise, they learn appreciation.
If children live with acceptance, they learn to love.
If children live with approval, they learn to like themselves.
If children live with recognition, they learn it is good to have a goal.
If children live with sharing, they learn generosity.
If children live with honesty, they learn truthfulness.
If children live with fairness, they learn justice.
If children live with kindness and consideration, they learn respect.
If children live with security, they learn to have faith in themselves and in those about them.
If children live with friendliness, they learn the world is a nice place in which to live.



I predict Casey is going to be a blank stare, flat affect, at her folks when they testify. If she cries it wont be for what she has put them through.

 

[songline]

It would depend on how this family defines LOVE. Where was the love when KC was stealing from grandma, mom and Lee? Where was the love when KC was out partying instead of being at home with her own child? Where was the love when a mental health specialist recommended KC find other housing and start acting like an adult?

IMO this isn't love, it's enabling. I'm a mother who dearly loves her children but I would never tolerate, excuse or justify from any of my children the disrespectful, rude, deceitful, selfish and criminal behavior that KC has been allowed all of her life.

Novice Seeker

Please let me start by saying NO I do not condone their behaviour.
REALITY: I was also raised with total respect at home but what I have is a daughter who is mentally challenged Bipolar is a challenge....So what my pictures of respect and normal are from home, is not what my home is like. REALLY and I love my kid very much. So the fact that CA is loony IMO and KC is way out of line also IMO...Doe not mean they do not love...It means they are not in a what we know as a normal home. I do know the difference... sadly
There is some of what looks like enabling in my home too...but I know not to expect "Normal" and while I may address it, I cant always....
SO you may all see the Anthony's as not loving KC. I do not see that. I do see that she is guilty and that they are loony and helped to diminish evidence.
MOO

 

[songline]

I guess what I am trying to say I am doing a poor job of. I agree with you, this kind of "love" Cindy has for Casey is very dangerous. Rather than correcting her and teaching her morals and values the lazy, emotionally unintelligent, immature sorry excuse for parenting did not prepare Casey for adult life, it set her up to fail miserably. In her mind she may love Casey, but it is from a rather skewed vantage point. I still stand by my feeling that Cindy is very concerned about how this reflects on Cindy. How else do you explain a RN being in such denial that she doesn't drag the teenager to a doctor to get the VITAL PRENATAL CARE, A NURSE VERY WELL UNDERSTANDS TO BE NEEDED. I agree with Kent, there is some serious undiagnosed mental problems there. I am glad we can peacefully exchange ideas, it is how we learn how other members of the jury may think, eh?

Children Learn What They Live
By Dorothy Law Nolte, Ph.D.


If children live with criticism, they learn to condemn.
If children live with hostility, they learn to fight.
If children live with fear, they learn to be apprehensive.
If children live with pity, they learn to feel sorry for themselves.
If children live with ridicule, they learn to feel shy.
If children live with jealousy, they learn to feel envy.
If children live with shame, they learn to feel guilty.
If children live with encouragement, they learn confidence.
If children live with tolerance, they learn patience.
If children live with praise, they learn appreciation.
If children live with acceptance, they learn to love.
If children live with approval, they learn to like themselves.
If children live with recognition, they learn it is good to have a goal.
If children live with sharing, they learn generosity.
If children live with honesty, they learn truthfulness.
If children live with fairness, they learn justice.
If children live with kindness and consideration, they learn respect.
If children live with security, they learn to have faith in themselves and in those about them.
If children live with friendliness, they learn the world is a nice place in which to live.

I have had "IF CHILDREN" framed and hanging up in my Bathroom...I can surly say it does
not apply to children with mental deficiency at all.

 

[The World According]

I have the IF hanging up in my Bathroom...I can surly say it does not apply to children with mental deficiency at all.

Got it! I have no experience with this so I am going to bow to your first hand experience. Thank you for sharing your personal story, that takes COURAGE!!!!

 

[songline]

I have to agree with you. The behaviors of KC and CA have always boggled my mind because I simply could not fathom the possibility of their various attitudes. I have read and seen (on TV) various pyschs label KC and (possibly) CA as "sociopathic" but still didnn't understand the mentality.

Then I read postings on another Caylee forum about an excellent book that gives a very good graphic description so picked it up this weekend.

"The Sociopath Next Door" by Martha Stout. (excerpt at link)

Now I completely understand KC and CA actions....

http://search.barnesandnoble.com/Th...767915823/?itm=1&USRI=The+Sociopath+Next+Door

I heard of this book, another book for me to read;:crazy:
Actually, I heard this one was very good....
I thought I have read enough on the subject...It gets me down to read any more.

 

[RR0004]

Please let me start by saying NO I do not condone their behaviour.
REALITY: I was also raised with total respect at home but what I have is a daughter who is mentally challenged Bipolar is a challenge....So what my pictures of respect and normal are from home, is not what my home is like. REALLY and I love my kid very much. So the fact that CA is loony IMO and KC is way out of line also IMO...Doe not mean they do not love...It means they are not in a what we know as a normal home. I do know the difference... sadly
There is some of what looks like enabling in my home too...but I know not to expect "Normal" and while I may address it, I cant always....
SO you may all see the Anthony's as not loving KC. I do not see that. I do see that she is guilty and that they are loony and helped to diminish evidence.
MOO

Oh, Songline...mentally challenged and bipolar? You are one strong person. I feel your love from here.
I watched my parents deal with my sister...never diagnosed as bi-polar or sociopathic...but I believe she was a bit of both (she's no longer alive). I know my parents loved her, but they also tried very hard not to enable her. There's no way my father would have covered up anything for her...and he was a criminal defense attorney! If she had done anything to harm one of her children, he would have made sure she got the best representation possible, and that would have been it. Would he have stopped loving her? Probably not. But he sure as heck would steel up his feelings. She would never see an "adoring" or "loving" father ever again. She might as well have cut out his heart if she messed with his granchildren. No, I don't think my father would have liked her very much at all.

 

[Soju]

I have had "IF CHILDREN" framed and hanging up in my Bathroom...I can surly say it does
not apply to children with mental deficiency at all.

sorry for the OT.

Hi Songline,

thanks for sharing with us about your daughter. I just want to clarify something for my own mind: are you saying your daughter is "mentally deficient" because she is bipolar or does she have two separate conditions?

 

[Novice Seeker]

I guess what I am trying to say I am doing a poor job of. I agree with you, this kind of "love" Cindy has for Casey is very dangerous. Rather than correcting her and teaching her morals and values the lazy, emotionally unintelligent, immature sorry excuse for parenting did not prepare Casey for adult life, it set her up to fail miserably. In her mind she may love Casey, but it is from a rather skewed vantage point. I still stand by my feeling that Cindy is very concerned about how this reflects on Cindy. How else do you explain a RN being in such denial that she doesn't drag the teenager to a doctor to get the VITAL PRENATAL CARE, A NURSE VERY WELL UNDERSTANDS TO BE NEEDED. I agree with Kent, there is some serious undiagnosed mental problems there. I am glad we can peacefully exchange ideas, it is how we learn how other members of the jury may think, eh?

Children Learn What They Live
By Dorothy Law Nolte, Ph.D.


If children live with criticism, they learn to condemn.
If children live with hostility, they learn to fight.
If children live with fear, they learn to be apprehensive.
If children live with pity, they learn to feel sorry for themselves.
If children live with ridicule, they learn to feel shy.
If children live with jealousy, they learn to feel envy.
If children live with shame, they learn to feel guilty.
If children live with encouragement, they learn confidence.
If children live with tolerance, they learn patience.
If children live with praise, they learn appreciation.
If children live with acceptance, they learn to love.
If children live with approval, they learn to like themselves.
If children live with recognition, they learn it is good to have a goal.
If children live with sharing, they learn generosity.
If children live with honesty, they learn truthfulness.
If children live with fairness, they learn justice.
If children live with kindness and consideration, they learn respect.
If children live with security, they learn to have faith in themselves and in those about them.
If children live with friendliness, they learn the world is a nice place in which to live.



I predict Casey is going to be a blank stare, flat affect, at her folks when they testify. If she cries it wont be for what she has put them through.

Please, I enjoy reading your comments and love the satire.:blushing: Everything you have written I completely agree with only envious that I can't write it as good as you. I'll sit back down now. Get back in there and make me proud.:woohoo:

Novice Seeker

 

[SallyLu]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZvEhnzlobA

Thankyou for all the videos you've been putting on for us, World.

On this video - right at the end where CA is basically saying that if anything happens to Caylee it will be the medias fault. I find that threatening yet childish behavior - that's my take on it. I've seen her say the same thing before and I always liken it to a child throwing a temper tantrum and stamping their foot.

It's a pity that GA and CA have "ganged up on everyone" so to speak.

It's sad that their nightmare turned out the way it has. If someone would have stood their ground and been open and honest and even called it like it was maybe there would be less hatred and more understanding for them.

 

[BondJamesBond]

...making absolutely no attempt to get back on topic whatsoever

Since Shirley seems to be about as down-to-earth as you can get...it kinda makes you wonder, eh? :waitasec:

 

[Novice Seeker]

Please let me start by saying NO I do not condone their behaviour.
REALITY: I was also raised with total respect at home but what I have is a daughter who is mentally challenged Bipolar is a challenge....So what my pictures of respect and normal are from home, is not what my home is like. REALLY and I love my kid very much. So the fact that CA is loony IMO and KC is way out of line also IMO...Doe not mean they do not love...It means they are not in a what we know as a normal home. I do know the difference... sadly
There is some of what looks like enabling in my home too...but I know not to expect "Normal" and while I may address it, I cant always....
SO you may all see the Anthony's as not loving KC. I do not see that. I do see that she is guilty and that they are loony and helped to diminish evidence.
MOO

I do know that raising children with psychological disorders robs families the pleasure of simply enjoying life without the constant worry of what should I do next. You weren't a "bad mother" b/c of the behaviors your childs illness caused. If anything you are a much stronger mother b/c it takes the strength of a mother who loves their child to get up everyday and face the challanges before you. You did this b/c you loved your child, seeking help and care b/c your child needed it.

Everything you did, Cindy did not do. You chose to put your child's welfare foremost in your life. Cindy didn't and it wasn't b/c she was in denial. It was because of her own selfish reasons and that is not the love of a mother.

Do not even belittle yourself by comparing Cindy with you.
And that is my honest parental opinion.

Novice Seeker

 

[OneLostGrl]

With regards to the motions I have some knowledge of, I predict:

Motion to preclude the death penalty procedures
Taken Under Advisement-DENIED

Motion for a protective order prohibiting Orange County Jail from videotaping attorney visits
Taken Under Advisement. I do ask though...........what's the point of having a protective order on these? Especially if there is no audio attached? Unless we can can see their lips reading and someone can read lips. Accordingly, if you CAN see their lips moving it will be GRANTED. If you can't; it will be DENIED.

Motion for a protective order directing Orange County Jail to destroy videos of family visits
:floorlaugh: If Baez is an idiot; DENIED at the table; or if Bae handles himself with professionalism :floorlaugh: the motion will be taken under advisement and THEN DENIED.

With regards to the courtroom antics I have knowledge of, I predict:

CA will sit there looking for the cameras, chomping her gum like a horse and desperately trying to get her dtr's attn to let her know they are having chili that night.

GA will sit there in his sandals; holding the sonar boat's manual upside down trying to learn how to turn the boat on.

casey will sit nice and cozy next to Baez with her very own legal pad to take notes on in crayon which after trial, the notes will be revealed only to show she was practicing her ABC's.

Baez will strut like a peacock in his Gucci 3 piece suit, wearing his "jury winning" pompous smile and pissing off the the poor judge.

The judge will be noble and courteous through the entire proceedings and even draw chalk figures to ensure that Baez understands what the court proceedings entail and will then drink an entire bottle of scotch immediately after the proceedings.

hahah!!I love you!