Friday 's hearing, what do you predict?

[OneLostGrl]

I do know that raising children with psychological disorders robs families the pleasure of simply enjoying life without the constant worry of what should I do next. You weren't a "bad mother" b/c of the behaviors your childs illness caused. If anything you are a much stronger mother b/c it takes the strength of a mother who loves their child to get up everyday and face the challanges before you. You did this b/c you loved your child, seeking help and care b/c your child needed it.

Everything you did, Cindy did not do. You chose to put your child's welfare foremost in your life. Cindy didn't and it wasn't b/c she was in denial. It was because of her own selfish reasons and that is not the love of a mother.

Do not even belittle yourself by comparing Cindy with you.
And that is my honest parental opinion.

Novice Seeker

Great post! Lotsa great posts, yall! Ya know.. well, I won't even go there, you all have heard what I have to say about 5 million times. But I have Bipolar and was raised by a Cindy... you know my "life story"- My son has Bipolar and is not being raised by a Cindy, he is a totally diffirent child than I was at the same age. The way a mentallly ill child (any child, really) is raised and what they are taught about life has a huge impact on who they end up becoming.

 

[OneLostGrl]

...making absolutely no attempt to get back on topic whatsoever

Since Shirley seems to be about as down-to-earth as you can get...it kinda makes you wonder, eh? :waitasec:

Bold is mine-

it does. I can't even begin to tell you how curious I am about how Cindy was raised.

 

[logicalgirl]

Thankyou for all the videos you've been putting on for us, World.

On this video - right at the end where CA is basically saying that if anything happens to Caylee it will be the medias fault. I find that threatening yet childish behavior - that's my take on it. I've seen her say the same thing before and I always liken it to a child throwing a temper tantrum and stamping their foot.

It's a pity that GA and CA have "ganged up on everyone" so to speak.

It's sad that their nightmare turned out the way it has. If someone would have stood their ground and been open and honest and even called it like it was maybe there would be less hatred and more understanding for them.

I have been re-listening to all these videos in this thread and others from last summer and last fall, and I'd forgotten just how crazy these people are and how crazy I feel listening to them!!! Thanks for the "reminders" but geez - it is painful!

 

[Novice Seeker]

Great post! Lotsa great posts, yall! Ya know.. well, I won't even go there, you all have heard what I have to say about 5 million times. But I have Bipolar and was raised by a Cindy... you know my "life story"- My son has Bipolar and is not being raised by a Cindy, he is a totally diffirent child than I was at the same age. The way a mentallly ill child (any child, really) is raised and what they are taught about life has a huge impact on who they end up becoming.

Brave Mom, not only did you break a crippling cycle, you are a mother who loves her child so much that you are giving your son the medical treatment he needs and thus tools to be successful in life. That's a mother's love.

To you :rose:

Novice Seeker

 

[cyberborg]

It would depend on how this family defines LOVE. Where was the love when KC was stealing from grandma, mom and Lee? Where was the love when KC was out partying instead of being at home with her own child? Where was the love when a mental health specialist recommended KC find other housing and start acting like an adult?

IMO this isn't love, it's enabling. I'm a mother who dearly loves her children but I would never tolerate, excuse or justify from any of my children the disrepectufl, rude, deceitful, selfish and criminal behavior that KC has been allowed all of her life.

Novice Seeker

Exactly!!! My sister enables and spoils her daughter out of mistaken 'love', she thinks it shows 'love' but her daughter just expects more and more and uses 'love' as hostage to get what she wants.

Sure, my sister loves her daughter, sure her daughter loves her -- however -- true love includes/requires 'respect' and that requires balance -- not just blind enabling mistaken as love. Some parents do not have the confidence to offer their kids 'balanced love' where a line is drawn and their are boundaries.

 

[wenwe4]

Exactly!!! My sister enables and spoils her daughter out of mistaken 'love', she thinks it shows 'love' but her daughter just expects more and more and uses 'love' as hostage to get what she wants.

Sure, my sister loves her daughter, sure her daughter loves her -- however -- true love includes/requires 'respect' and that requires balance -- not just blind enabling mistaken as love. Some parents do not have the confidence to offer their kids 'balanced love' where a line is drawn and their are boundaries.

Parenting by the "path of least resistance"

 

[seagull65]

...With Andrea Lyon hovering over her like a mother hen. They should be on the cover of Redbook.

...and the possibility of a whole new line of "Andrea and Casey" matching court appearance outfits. :crazy:

I know! What are they (AL I guess, or whoever chose the clothes, probably not JB I imagine) thinking? Not good at all! And the gothic long hair and green outfit was the worst possible look for her, I think, even if it hadn't matched AL, but the fact they seemed to match really made it that much worse IMO.

 

[mitzi]

Sorry for the OT, but I just saw JB's little cameo on TV....Talking to Geraldo's brother about Tiger Woods...yuck, so is JB like a Geraldo correspondent now? Ugh.

I wonder if those three "brainy" chicks interviewed after JB are his new posse! :dance:

 

[mitzi]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZvEhnzlobA

GAH!!! Cindy makes me want to pull my hair out! Did everyone see the little smirk CA had towards the end, when she could tell that the interviewers weren't buying it? I can't believe that CA thought that she would get media to care by saying, "the media is full of carp!"...And also how she continually blames the media, if Caylee doesn't come home.

If Cindy doesn't get charged with something after KC's trial, I will be so disappointed! Everytime I watch a video of CA, my jaw just drops to the floor with her vitriol. I cannot imagine living with her more than 24 hours. No wonder KC thought she was going crazy and needed to be committed.

 

[The World According]

...making absolutely no attempt to get back on topic whatsoever

Since Shirley seems to be about as down-to-earth as you can get...it kinda makes you wonder, eh? :waitasec:

Does anyone think there is any possibility that Shirley will ever be called to the stand during either trial? That poor sweet Grandpa and Grandmother, whenever I hear her voice on the interview and see him with the baby on his lap humming quietly to her I cannot imagine what Casey's actions have done to them emotionally. Was she at the memorial? I wouldn't want to put her through it unless it was absolutely necessary. I am hoping the state will be able to get the information in without her if they can rile Cindy up enough, which is pretty easy to do, and get her to make some blanket statement like my daughter is not a thief.Then they could question her about the money she took out of Grandpa's nursing home account. There is no shame in someone who would do that, the jury is going to see her as not very sympathetic, regardless of how Andrea sits with a comforting arm around her like a lost child. Everybody, call your grandparents today, just to say hi. I wonder if Shirley will watch Friday's hearing on TV. I wonder what she thinks of Cindy's actions in this case. I know brother Rick's thoughts but I bet he watches too.

 

[songline]

Oh, Songline...mentally challenged and bipolar? You are one strong person. I feel your love from here.
I watched my parents deal with my sister...never diagnosed as bi-polar or sociopathic...but I believe she was a bit of both (she's no longer alive). I know my parents loved her, but they also tried very hard not to enable her. There's no way my father would have covered up anything for her...and he was a criminal defense attorney! If she had done anything to harm one of her children, he would have made sure she got the best representation possible, and that would have been it. Would he have stopped loving her? Probably not. But he sure as heck would steel up his feelings. She would never see an "adoring" or "loving" father ever again. She might as well have cut out his heart if she messed with his granchildren. No, I don't think my father would have liked her very much at all.

I totally agree that cover up is very separate and part of their lack of principles, morals.
I was addressing someone who said there is no way that CA loves KC. I cant see "Does not love KC" I am very clear that she does love her.

NO I am never suggesting they should have covered up anything. I am only saying that if is because they do that they selected to cover up for her. Definitely don't agree with that behaviour at all. but they do love their kid.

 

[songline]

sorry for the OT.

Hi Songline,

thanks for sharing with us about your daughter. I just want to clarify something for my own mind: are you saying your daughter is "mentally deficient" because she is bipolar or does she have two separate conditions?

Two separate conditions, and......there are times we can all sit down and you would not have a clue that there is a problem. (those times are rare).
While I can get angry about bad things she has done, I STILL LOVE HER...
there is only one reason I brought this up.....CA DOES LOVE KC and being a dysfunctional family which they are for sure, I just wanted to say that what it looks like to us who were raised in a semi normal setting is very strange. But who ever wrote that CA does not love KC is not correct.
Do I agree with her parents? absolutely NOT.

 

[songline]

Great post! Lotsa great posts, yall! Ya know.. well, I won't even go there, you all have heard what I have to say about 5 million times. But I have Bipolar and was raised by a Cindy... you know my "life story"- My son has Bipolar and is not being raised by a Cindy, he is a totally diffirent child than I was at the same age. The way a mentallly ill child (any child, really) is raised and what they are taught about life has a huge impact on who they end up becoming.

OT:
I wish that was always the case, but NOT. I am really glad it does work for you.
I wish I can report what you can report - I can not. and, My home is known for its unconditional love. Yes some with bipolar do live a fulfilled life.

Often times bipolar is coupled with something else too. And many different ways bipolar can show up.
Mine was not diagnosed for many, many years it was even a challenge for the medical field.
ALSO: there are those who are willing to take meds and those who refuse meds.Mine goes on and off and nobody can tell her different.

 

[songline]

I do know that raising children with psychological disorders robs families the pleasure of simply enjoying life without the constant worry of what should I do next. You weren't a "bad mother" b/c of the behaviors your childs illness caused. If anything you are a much stronger mother b/c it takes the strength of a mother who loves their child to get up everyday and face the challenges before you. You did this b/c you loved your child, seeking help and care b/c your child needed it.

Everything you did, Cindy did not do. You chose to put your child's welfare foremost in your life. Cindy didn't and it wasn't b/c she was in denial. It was because of her own selfish reasons and that is not the love of a mother.

Do not even belittle yourself by comparing Cindy with you.
And that is my honest parental opinion.

Novice Seeker

You are very sweet, thank you for your kind post.
I must say that for many years nobody could see the problem. She was not diagnosed early on, and her Doctors always said she would outgrow some of her bad behaviour, that is not how it happened at all she did not outgrow anything., she got worse..
I am saying that while CA knew something is a miss, she may not have been able to zero in on something that even doctors may have said "She would outgrow" sometimes it is very subtle, and shows up later.
It is not always showing up early, or in the same way.

 

[darnudes]

Bold is mine-

it does. I can't even begin to tell you how curious I am about how Cindy was raised.

Wasn't she the only girl with about 3 brothers and the youngest of the kids?

I would say she was probably spoiled as the only daughter.

Might answer a lot.

 

[The World According]

One thing we can predict with certainty is little miss Casey will never take the stand Friday, or ever!!!!

Transcript from LE interview of Casey at Universal:

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK. All right. Let`s go through this again. We`re here because? We got here how, to do what?

CASEY ANTHONY: Because I lied, because I brought you up here.

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MELICH: You know you pointed out, you pointed at the 3rd floor window and you said, well, that's what's her name's bedroom, and Zani's bedroom is right below...is on the other side. That's what you told me. So, that was a lie?

CASEY: That was a lie.

SGT ALLEN: And that was going to help find her how? Telling...lying about, lying about that bedroom, where is Zani's bedroom that was gonna help find her how? Huh?

CASEY: It's not helping.


a classic!

 

[logicalgirl]

Doesn't that feel like kind of a mantra to you when she says "I lied" and "that's not helping"? Almost as if this is something she learned as a child, but not even a hint of sincerity or "shame" that most of us would feel if we first of all told such whoppers, and secondly, got caught at it? IMO of course!

 

[cecybeans]

Doesn't that feel like kind of a mantra to you when she says "I lied" and "that's not helping"? Almost as if this is something she learned as a child, but not even a hint of sincerity or "shame" that most of us would feel if we first of all told such whoppers, and secondly, got caught at it? IMO of course!

Yeah, it almost sounds like she is mentally adding "So?" or "Whatever!".

 

[Mamabear1963]

Replaying all of the interview from early on...reminds me why we are here and why KC is behind bars....what a case of mess...I do think the only sane one is Shirley.

Friday I think we will see lots of :croc:

 

[SallyLu]

Doesn't that feel like kind of a mantra to you when she says "I lied" and "that's not helping"? Almost as if this is something she learned as a child, but not even a hint of sincerity or "shame" that most of us would feel if we first of all told such whoppers, and secondly, got caught at it? IMO of course!

OMW - so true!!