Friday 's hearing, what do you predict?

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  • #201
The county says it has the legal right to have security video at the jail and does not have the legal right to destroy or withhold public records.

COUNTY'S RESPONSE: Defense's Motion On Videos
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21897650/detail.html

ETA: *Added for quick reference!
STATE'S RESPONSE: To Defense Motion
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21869179/detail.html

READ: Numerous Motions Filed By Defense
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21763533/detail.html

Article:
http://www.wftv.com/news/21897578/detail.html
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  • #202
The county says it has the legal right to have security video at the jail and does not have the legal right to destroy or withhold public records.

COUNTY'S RESPONSE: Defense's Motion On Videos
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21897650/detail.html

ETA: *Added for quick reference!
STATE'S RESPONSE: To Defense Motion
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21869179/detail.html

READ: Numerous Motions Filed By Defense
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21763533/detail.html

Article:
http://www.wftv.com/news/21897578/detail.html
__________________

County:
To the extent that Ms. Anthony claims that the County in some way infringed upon Ms. Anthony's rights, those allegations do not warrant a response...

Ouch!

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  • #203
Casey Anthony back in court next week
Updated: Wednesday, 02 Dec 2009, 10:38 AM EST
Published : Wednesday, 02 Dec 2009, 10:36 AM EST
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Casey Anthony will be back in court Friday December 11 for motion hearings.

Motion to preclude the death penalty procedures
Motion for a protective order prohibiting Orange County Jail from videotaping attorney visits
Motion for a protective order directing Orange County Jail to destroy videos of family visits
Motion to dismiss counts 1,2, 4, 5, 7, 8 10, 11, 13 for violation of double jeopardy clause

Article:
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news...-back-in-court
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What time is the hearing? I want to be there early.
 
  • #204
OT:
I wish that was always the case, but NOT. I am really glad it does work for you.
I wish I can report what you can report - I can not. and, My home is known for its unconditional love. Yes some with bipolar do live a fulfilled life.

Often times bipolar is coupled with something else too. And many different ways bipolar can show up.
Mine was not diagnosed for many, many years it was even a challenge for the medical field.
ALSO: there are those who are willing to take meds and those who refuse meds.Mine goes on and off and nobody can tell her different.

You see my posts about my past, no? I haven't always been OK. this is new- my being OK and having insight into my past behaviors and my upbringing. I was a very sad, sick person my entire life.. I hated myself and made sure the world knew it... all I have ever wanted in life was for mine to end. I am a "cutter" and began abusing prescription medication when I was 12ish. When my Bipolar wasn't making me Psychotic I was making myself Psychotic with whatever medications I could get my hands on. Any way to escape reality. I have been med compliant on (FINALLY!!) the proper medications for about 6 and 1/2 years. Trust me, I get the struggle- I wasn't trying to make light of your daughters condition or your handling of it. I'm so sorry if it came across that way. I commend you!! Please know that!! I could not raise a "me"- that I know!!
 
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Yeah, it almost sounds like she is mentally adding "So?" or "Whatever!".

For a person who has never been held responsible for their actions they have nothing to fear. The time I told my high school principle he was an "a$$hole" and my mom came to the school yelling at him for "chasing her down the hall when you knew she was mad".. I knew the first time I got arrested that it wasn't gonna be ME my mom yelled at when she came to pick me up at the jail and I was right. So was I scared of getting in trouble? Why?! I didn't get in trouble. kwim?

(sometimes the only way I know how to get my point across to to give an example.. sorry)
 
  • #207
:grouphug:
You see my posts about my past, no? I haven't always been OK. this is new- my being OK and having insight into my past behaviors and my upbringing. I was a very sad, sick person my entire life.. I hated myself and made sure the world knew it... all I have ever wanted in life was for mine to end. I am a "cutter" and began abusing prescription medication when I was 12ish. When my Bipolar wasn't making me Psychotic I was making myself Psychotic with whatever medications I could get my hands on. Any way to escape reality. I have been med compliant on (FINALLY!!) the proper medications for about 6 and 1/2 years. Trust me, I get the struggle- I wasn't trying to make light of your daughters condition or your handling of it. I'm so sorry if it came across that way. I commend you!! Please know that!! I could not raise a "me"- that I know!!

:gold_crown:
 
  • #208
I predict a lot of discussion on how Casey looks in court! :crazy:

ot, but does this mean we can have a what-kc-looks-like thread as long as we play nice?

just sayin'
 
  • #209
IMO-

One of the reasons JB & Co want the family video visitations destroyed, even though they are already 'out there' is because NEVER ONCE did KC EVER come to the visit showing worry for the where-abouts or well being of her child. NO "have your heard anything?" Not once. To me as yer average jane schmoe, that is huge.

and to drift a bit ot. being a florida native my family are pioneers as well...over the Thanksgiving holiday, I went for a visit, and there were many floridians about. I of course brought up the case, and only 1 out of every 20 had any idea what I was talking about. And they all live withing 2-3 hours of Orlando FL. just fyi.
 
  • #210
I just read the defense request to stop videotaping and destroy any tapes that have been made. Funny first points that the defense makes.

1) The Supreme Court says special care must be taken in death penalty cases.

my response: Defense says the death penalty is unconstitutional, so wouldn't this be at best a moot point, or at worst unconstitutional to stop the video taping?

2) (and the best point) Defense says that KC hasn't had any issues while at the jail and is in irons during visits.


my response: KC may not have had any infractions during her incarceration, but her attorney has. IIRC the defense has been spoken to twice by the jail. Once for physical contact with an inmate and once when prohibited jewelry was found in clothing was given to the inmate for a court appearance. Since these were jail infractions that KC participated with, then maybe KC should have been written up for them if she didn't report the infractions.

4) The jail is responsible for KC's well being, including her emotional well being.

my response: It was my understanding that a jail's first and foremost responsibility is for the safety of all parties who have business in the jail. That would include monitoring for the passing of contraband, as well as prevention of violence. KC herself is responsible for her own emotional well being. She is given access to medical assistance if her needs require it and she requests it. The jail cannot monitor her thoughts or her plans or her feelings. They can only monitor her actions, which they are attempting to do.

Defense discusses the need to do a mitigation investigation, but mitigation comes after a conviction. I thought JB said said KC was innocent and wouldn't be convicted? From the emphasis that the defense is putting on this, I would guess that GA, CA and LA should get prepared for what is about to come next!

GA talked with investigators about meeting with KC on his own and the family tried to get her to talk with the FBI without her attorney present. And that is the fault of the state??? KC refuses to allow her family to visit with her and that is the fault of the state???

OMG this one! The state is required to take basic care of the inmates including providing them with a nutritious diet, and that is a reason not to video tape???

And my final response is probably the biggest. Did JB violate copyright restrictions when he copied and pasted entire online articles (including copyright warnings) and attached them as Appendixes?
 
  • #211
For a person who has never been held responsible for their actions they have nothing to fear. The time I told my high school principle he was an "a$$hole" and my mom came to the school yelling at him for "chasing her down the hall when you knew she was mad".. I knew the first time I got arrested that it wasn't gonna be ME my mom yelled at when she came to pick me up at the jail and I was right. So was I scared of getting in trouble? Why?! I didn't get in trouble. kwim?

(sometimes the only way I know how to get my point across to to give an example.. sorry)

It's a wonderful example, and was exactly what I meant. This family positively glitters with the bling of fearless entitlement.
 
  • #212
You are very sweet, thank you for your kind post.
I must say that for many years nobody could see the problem. She was not diagnosed early on, and her Doctors always said she would outgrow some of her bad behavior, that is not how it happened at all she did not outgrow anything., she got worse..
I am saying that while CA knew something is a miss, she may not have been able to zero in on something that even doctors may have said "She would outgrow" sometimes it is very subtle, and shows up later.
It is not always showing up early, or in the same way.


Thank you. I have so much respect for the mothers and fathers who raise a child with mental disorders. Many times these parents don't get to enjoy the typical pleasures of a normal child b/c these parents are constantly battling this disease which leaves them emotionally, physically and financially drained.

As to Cindy, I just can not give her the benefit of the doubt of loving her children. If we were to step back and review Cindy's mothering skills I don't think we would see a authenticate sense of love. It just seems that Cindy's purpose in life was to out do both George's and her own family financially and place in society. She was so caught up in her own personal dreams and wishes her children were merely props to project this idea life she wanted.

Novice Seeker
 
  • #213
Thank you. I have so much respect for the mothers and fathers who raise a child with mental disorders. Many times these parents don't get to enjoy the typical pleasures of a normal child b/c these parents are constantly battling this disease which leaves them emotionally, physically and financially drained.

As to Cindy, I just can not give her the benefit of the doubt of loving her children. If we were to step back and review Cindy's mothering skills I don't think we would see a authenticate sense of love. It just seems that Cindy's purpose in life was to out do both George's and her own family financially and place in society. She was so caught up in her own personal dreams and wishes her children were merely props to project this idea life she wanted.

Novice Seeker
Hi NS :)

I think CA and GA should pay the piper for what they have done to get rid of evidence
that would bring justice to Caylee's senseless death, but I think they did it because they
DO love her. Dysfunctional as they are.

My daughter at KCs age was not diagnosed yet, we just thought it was a bad attitude and yes we
had been to doctors but she walked out on each one of them.
I knew it was more then bad attitude, but it took years till she finally got diagnosed.
Sometimes we can all sit down and you may not know there is a problem. Other times it is no fun.
Mostly for her. :(

I do not think KC was diagnosed, but early on I said she can be bipolar and something else?
I do not think we know.....I do not think CA knew, I can see that CA is a piece of work herself,
but CA does love her Daughter. Their family dynamics are way out there, and their family moral
code may not exist. but CA wanted it to look sane to the outside world because it was insane
in her inner world...I do understand that.

You are totally correct Thank you for noticing :)
we do not get to enjoy the simple pleasures of a child's normal growth and mile stones.
But every good day is a big smile. (FOR CA maybe Caylee was the joy that KC was not,
because she did so many bad things - as mine did too :( )
And being spent emotionally, mentally and financially is one of the symptoms.
but we sometimes get depressed too. And not everyone who knows me knows my story, because
to the world at large work/social etc.... I have to be like all the others.
For many years if anyone asked me how are you or your daughter , I have a smile big enough to
light a Christmas tree, and with that smile I would say "FINE". It is only in the past 10 years that
I sometimes say "could be better" there was no use to wear my story on my sleeve. It was enough
that I know it.
 
  • #214
Baez was late, and his first witnesses , George and Cindy were late at the bond hearing. Who thinks they will be this disrespectful at the hearing on Friday?[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKqwuJpB9Ak[/ame]
 
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You see my posts about my past, no? I haven't always been OK. this is new- my being OK and having insight into my past behaviors and my upbringing. I was a very sad, sick person my entire life.. I hated myself and made sure the world knew it... all I have ever wanted in life was for mine to end. I am a "cutter" and began abusing prescription medication when I was 12ish. When my Bipolar wasn't making me Psychotic I was making myself Psychotic with whatever medications I could get my hands on. Any way to escape reality. I have been med compliant on (FINALLY!!) the proper medications for about 6 and 1/2 years. Trust me, I get the struggle- I wasn't trying to make light of your daughters condition or your handling of it. I'm so sorry if it came across that way. I commend you!! Please know that!! I could not raise a "me"- that I know!!
I love reading your posts, because I feel that I know that first hand...and then to know you are doing well is so nice.
Really. And while it can be a choice and a challenge to stay on track it is so inspiring.....it gives me hope.
but it is not as if all they need is love and understanding and walla! like magic. NOT. that does not always work, but it is always the preferred approach to helping someone heal. :)
 
  • #217
I wonder if the defense is treating this as a dry run for the trial for GA and CA testifying and if they're being coached right now.
 
  • #218
I wonder if the defense is treating this as a dry run for the trial for GA and CA testifying and if they're being coached right now.

That is a thought...wonder how they will do...but they won't be cross examined at the hearing right?
 
  • #219
Does anyone think there is any possibility that Shirley will ever be called to the stand during either trial? "snipped for space"

If someone hasn't already asked this on the rhorsnby thread - would love to hear his answer... or has he answered this already??
 
  • #220
That is a thought...wonder how they will do...but they won't be cross examined at the hearing right?

Oh I don't know. I thought anyone who testified was subject to cross examination. I'm going to go ask Richard.
 
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