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[dasgal]

I think the STRESS of finances had a definate hand. I just don't think she was looking to get that small inheritence. I think it's all raw emotion here.

That is what I was talking about before with this case coming in so quickly. Yeah, the State had all their ducks in a row, but I don't think they had the luxury of the "why" that we have had in the last decade.

Do I blame them? Not at all. They had the goods. They had the evidence.
They said a few times that they didn't need motive, and they didn't with all the other mountains of stuff. It's just that we have had time now to figure out the possible "whys". And they have listened. Not because they needed to for any case or retrial, but because I think it might haunt them too sometimes, as to why....why...why would a seemingly quiasi normal person do this?

 

[Jeana (DP)]

I think the STRESS of finances had a definate hand. I just don't think she was looking to get that small inheritence. I think it's all raw emotion here.

That is what I was talking about before with this case coming in so quickly. Yeah, the State had all their ducks in a row, but I don't think they had the luxury of the "why" that we have had in the last decade.

Do I blame them? Not at all. They had the goods. They had the evidence.
They said a few times that they didn't need motive, and they didn't with all the other mountains of stuff. It's just that we have had time now to figure out the possible "whys". And they have listened. Not because they needed to for any case or retrial, but because I think it might haunt them too sometimes, as to why....why...why would a seemingly quiasi normal person do this?

Absolutely agree. No motive is ever good enough, but damn if we don't always want to know what it is and be able to prove it.

 

[Desilu]

I thought that baseball cap belonged to one of the boys? Because it was too small to fit on an adult head? Hmm wonder where I picked that up from.

 

[Goody]

I thought that baseball cap belonged to one of the boys? Because it was too small to fit on an adult head? Hmm wonder where I picked that up from.

The baseball cap found on the utility room floor did belong to one of the boys.

 

[Kitty5001]

OK let me clear up this premeditation thing:

NOW the concept that the reason only one boy's blood was on the knife was because she 1. used one knife to kill that boy then 2. cleaned it and put it back in the butcher block (same knife used to cut the screen right)

Ok now if it was not premeditated she would have used the same knife to stab both of the boys, then use the other knife to cut the screen BUT both boys blood not found on the same knife so you can't go that route-

NOW if it WAS premeditated she would have used the same knife to first cut the screen and again the same knife afterwards to kill them both. Why would she kill one then wash her knife thinking she was done then decide later that she was going to kill the other also therefore use a different knife because that one was clean? Does this make sense.

 

[Jeana (DP)]

OK let me clear up this premeditation thing:

NOW the concept that the reason only one boy's blood was on the knife was because she 1. used one knife to kill that boy then 2. cleaned it and put it back in the butcher block (same knife used to cut the screen right)

Ok now if it was not premeditated she would have used the same knife to stab both of the boys, then use the other knife to cut the screen BUT both boys blood not found on the same knife so you can't go that route-

NOW if it WAS premeditated she would have used the same knife to first cut the screen and again the same knife afterwards to kill them both. Why would she kill one then wash her knife thinking she was done then decide later that she was going to kill the other also therefore use a different knife because that one was clean? Does this make sense.

Why couldn't she have cut the screen while Darin was driving her sister home? There are other possibilities as well.

 

[cami]

OK let me clear up this premeditation thing:

NOW the concept that the reason only one boy's blood was on the knife was because she 1. used one knife to kill that boy then 2. cleaned it and put it back in the butcher block (same knife used to cut the screen right)

Ok now if it was not premeditated she would have used the same knife to stab both of the boys, then use the other knife to cut the screen BUT both boys blood not found on the same knife so you can't go that route-

NOW if it WAS premeditated she would have used the same knife to first cut the screen and again the same knife afterwards to kill them both. Why would she kill one then wash her knife thinking she was done then decide later that she was going to kill the other also therefore use a different knife because that one was clean? Does this make sense.

No, that's not the concept. There are only two knives. One, the bread knife was used to cut the screen then put back in the butcher block. The butcher knife was used to kill both Devon and Damon. You can go that route if you believe she wiped both boys blood from the knife prior to cutting her own neck. (clean up at kitchen sink proved with luminol) She then has to use the knife again on Damon as he was still alive. Hence, Damon's and her blood found on the knife. KISS method....

 

[Desilu]

The baseball cap found on the utility room floor did belong to one of the boys.

1. There is no mention anywhere about the baseball cap that was found by the washer/ window where the alleged killer escaped-what happened to that and was it ever examined for dna?? (This was listed in the book Hush Little Babies)
THIS HAT BELONGED TO DARIN ROUTIER. IT WAS FOUND IN THE WASHROOM QUITE A WAY FROM THE ALLEDGED "ESCAPE" ROUTE.

So are we talking about a different baseball cap here?

 

[beesy]

OK let me clear up this premeditation thing:

NOW the concept that the reason only one boy's blood was on the knife was because she 1. used one knife to kill that boy then 2. cleaned it and put it back in the butcher block (same knife used to cut the screen right)

She cut the screen with the bread knife and then put it back. She stabbed the boys and cut herself with the same large butcher knife. Before she cut herself, she rinsed the knife and then later had to stab Damon again, which left Damon's blood on top of hers. Experts have opined that butcher knife is the one used in the murders and on Darlie. It was not put back into the butcher block

Ok now if it was not premeditated she would have used the same knife to stab both of the boys, then use the other knife to cut the screen BUT both boys blood not found on the same knife so you can't go that route-

I'm not sure what you're saying, but I'll try. Devon's blood was found in the pipes or p-trap in the sink and on the kitchen back splash. His blood was rinsed off. Why? I don't know. If you were going to stab someone, would you pick a bread knife? I wouldn't.

NOW if it WAS premeditated she would have used the same knife to first cut the screen and again the same knife afterwards to kill them both. Why would she kill one then wash her knife thinking she was done then decide later that she was going to kill the other also therefore use a different knife because that one was clean? Does this make sense.

No it doesn't, because you're leaving out a bunch of important stuff. She doesn't have to cut the screen before the attacks to show premeditation. She didn't have to plan the murders for days and days. She and Darin had a big fight that night. I think he stormed upstairs to bed while Darlie simmered downstairs. I think the idea began to take shape then. That's' all that's needed
for premeditation. And there is always the possibility that when Darin came down and saw what she did, he planned the staging. Maybe he cut the screen with the bread knife because she still had the other one. But even if she cut it, the knife which was used doesn't really tell us anything. IMO
About the rinsing of blood, Darlie stabbed both boys until she thought they were dead. Then rinsed off the knife and cut herself, then saw Damon was moving and had to stab him again. So she didn't plan to stab one of the boys after she rinsed it off.

 

[Kitty5001]

Ok that makes sense that she went back and stabbed because he wasn't dead like she thought. So she never used the breadknife to stab she ONLY used the breadknife to cut the screen.

 

[Jeana (DP)]

Ok that makes sense that she went back and stabbed because he wasn't dead like she thought. So she never used the breadknife to stab she ONLY used the breadknife to cut the screen.

Yup.

 

[Goody]

1. There is no mention anywhere about the baseball cap that was found by the washer/ window where the alleged killer escaped-what happened to that and was it ever examined for dna?? (This was listed in the book Hush Little Babies)
THIS HAT BELONGED TO DARIN ROUTIER. IT WAS FOUND IN THE WASHROOM QUITE A WAY FROM THE ALLEDGED "ESCAPE" ROUTE.

So are we talking about a different baseball cap here?

What you describe sounds like the baseball cap found on the utility room floor. As far as i know it belonged to one of the boys, not Darin. There is supposed to be a mystery cap some supporters (poster sleuths) say is important evidence in Darlie's favor, so maybe there is a Darin cap floating around out there somewhere that they plan to use at some point in her favor. But I have no knowledge of it and it is not in the record that I am aware of.

 

[Jeana (DP)]

What you describe sounds like the baseball cap found on the utility room floor. As far as i know it belonged to one of the boys, not Darin. There is supposed to be a mystery cap some supporters (poster sleuths) say is important evidence in Darlie's favor, so maybe there is a Darin cap floating around out there somewhere that they plan to use at some point in her favor. But I have no knowledge of it and it is not in the record that I am aware of.

Between my husband, my second son, myself and my daughter, we must have 45 baseball caps around here. It had to be similar at the Routier house. We may very well be talking about more than one cap.

 

[Goody]

Between my husband, my second son, myself and my daughter, we must have 45 baseball caps around here. It had to be similar at the Routier house. We may very well be talking about more than one cap.

My house, too. I just haven't heard of more than the two I mentioned in the Routier case, and if I recall correctly, only the boys' cap was mentioned at trial.