"G (Guilty)" vs "NG (Not Guilty)" Where do you stand? #3

[Friday]

I agree. I think LE was too nice to her but that's just me.

Hey, OLG, I only realized you're a NG vote yesterday. I'm always interested in your opinions and insights, so share, please. If you've already written a full post, let me know and I'll go searching later.

 

[EmMomma]

I agree. I think LE was too nice to her but that's just me.

OLG, I think Chinese water torture would have been ok w/me, if Caylee could have been found sooner.

I really admire the cool and calm exuded by all of the law enforcement officers in this case. I think I would have lost it by the time the car ride to Imagi-Nanny's apartment went down...

 

[MissJames]

As proven by GA and CA's treatment of KC. Sweetheart, you're the boss, the CEO, blah, blah. That got the truth right out of her, right?

and how about the "get out of jail free" card compliments of LP? KC said if she could just get out she could help find Caylee.She didn't help.She escaped the scrutiny of her family at JB's office.She had a slumber party with Annie.
She didn't help.Cindy didn't help,Lee didn't help,and George didn't help.Nope,not one one bit.They took up with KF's,a less than reputable crew,bashed LE,bashed TES and TM.But they didn't help.George drove the huge billboard around as though no one had seen Caylee's picture yet.Cindy put up a pic of SOMEONE ELSES CHILD,saying it might be Caylee ,when it obviously was not.But they never helped anyone who had experience find the truth,unless you count the time there PI searched the area near where Caylee was found.
LE never lost KC.This was a game to her.Still is.LE has done a remarkable job,despite every one of the Anthony's intereference and lack of help.

 

[magnolia]

Gosh highly technical there. Thanks I think the viewers got what I was saying. You can go ahead and try and make a fool out of me if you wish. I really don't take it personally. But at some point, can we get back to the evidence and the topic? I think she is NG based on these silly tactics by police. They really didn't know. They still don't know.

Why not be nice about it. Why not investigate some more first before accusing someone. In the Drew Peterson case, LE waited a year. I applaud them for that. That was a smart move.

We are finding that these mean interrogation programs are not working in combat either. It is up for debate in Washington.

I would have been nice to her and then watched her. I also would have looked in the most obvious place of all, (the wood by the house).

Casey clearly asked for her Lawyer in that interview. Nick had no business talking to her about the case once she asked for counsel. Again making me suspicious of LE and their intentions.

Not reckless at all. They were trying to trick a confession out of her and when it didn't work, they went back questions again. Simple

Anyone can be nice to someone and then be mean to them by accusing them of lying, intimidate them and try to trick them out of some statement. Their intentions were evil. It didn't work. It is a form of entrapment considering all the power LE has. These are good reasons to beware of LE and their intentions. I think it got out of hand and they made a huge mistake here. She is NG in my opinion

I agree that it would be difficult for me to get on that jury, as it would most here. The defense will cross examine LE and the jury will see it. They will form their opinions at that point. I think there is much more than LE doing a bad job in a lot of these cases.(IE OJ) I think that LE is responding to pressure from above and that is where the problem is. It is the hand that feeds you. Want to make big brother happy. It is a natural phenomina that lurks in the shadows.

My own opinion in the beginning was that she was guilty. It is all the evidence that has put me on the other side.

In the beginning, I had no idea if Casey had caused harm to her child or not. As time went on, and evidence was released, it was much like slowly putting a puzzle together.

I'm a little confused nts. Maybe you can help me out here.

In a post I quoted above, you stated the following-"I think she is NG based on these silly tactics by police". This statement, imo. contradicts your statement-"It is all the evidence that has put me on the other side".
No offense nts, but your posts, imo, focus more on your opinions in regards to what you believe is a lack of integrity by LE, than the evidence in this case.

In another post I also quoted above, you seemed to issue a general warning- "These are good reasons to beware of LE and their intentions"
I will also quote you as stating - "their intentions were evil"
Why would you make that statement unless you have a poor opinion of LE in general? I'm confused because I have not a clue how any of us could possibly know their intentions, evil or not. It seems to me,you are making statements, not about LE in this specific case, but about Law Enforcement, in general.

 

[Mendara]

Friday - you have to be right because I was just about ready to toss my computer across the room. I am riled up.

 

[OneLostGrl]

Hey, OLG, I only realized you're a NG vote yesterday. I'm always interested in your opinions and insights, so share, please. If you've already written a full post, let me know and I'll go searching later.

I think she probably did it I'm just not 100% sure of it and I guess being an ex-con myself I feel those things can't be decided until trial.. until all evidence has been seen and discussed by professionals (experts) in a court of law when everyone must swear to tell the truth and nothing but. I know first hand that evidence doesn't always say what we think it says, that peoples opinion of evidence can vary greatly (like ours and the media's for example LOL).

I also have not been able to rule out (with the evidence we have seen, the information we do know) other members of this "family" that I believe are far more cunning, selfish and cruel than Casey is. I am not sure that Casey has not been set up by her loving and united "family".

 

[wonders]

Notthatsmart, you crack me up. :floorlaugh: I can see you now, gazing thoughtfully at your monitor, drumming your fingers, trying to decide what you can say next to really rile everybody up. And it works every time! :floorlaugh:

I, however, have raised 7 grown children, and I know how to tell when someone is yanking my chain. LOL Furthermore, although your avi is a nice touch, it's also a dead giveaway that you want to create an illusion of stupidity. People who truly believe they aren't smart do not announce it to the world; they do the opposite. But what really gives you away is that you tend to use a very nice, intelligent turn of phrase right in the midst of an otherwise utterly incongruous statement.

I have to hand it to you, though--there are a lot of extremely smart people here and you're smart enough to keep them running around in the same circles, banging their heads against the walls, trying to understand you and help you understand them. LOL The truth is, you have such a genius for it, I almost hate to out you. :blowkiss:

If I've totally, completely, thoroughly guessed wrong about you, then all I can say is, "Well, nuts." And, "Okay, you vote Not Guilty. I get it. I respect it. No further explanation necessary, no argument forthcoming."

Regards--

I believe you've hit the nail right on the head the very first time you swung.
:woohoo::woohoo::woohoo::woohoo:

 

[Jersey*Girl]

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I suspect OSCO has wished many times that they'd handled KC differently during those first few days. LOL However, with a missing 2 year old their first priority and with time being critical, they came down hard on KC--as they should have done, and expected her to "crack" and tell the truth -- which would normally be the result from a perky, petite, cute 22 year old who'd never even had a brush with the law.

Of course they knew right off she was lying, and they knew about the smell in the Pontiac, but they understandably attributed her ridiculously transparent lies to fear of admitting she'd let an accident happen to Caylee.

I often wonder how long it took before they fully realized that pretty little Casey Anthony was not only cheerfully ruthless and chillingly unrepentant, she was also just as tough as the most hardened criminal.

Friday, something really bugs me. Remember Casey's "Diary of Days"? It always struck me as maybe somebody guided her into what to say or act, almost as if a cop (or someone knowledgable in law) advised her what to stick to and how to react to law enforcement. Follow me for a sec... Her Diary of Days was entered on July 7th. She was found or arrested on the 16th, something like that. Surely Cindy say her Diary of Days...right? How could she not have when she herself made an entry about her sweet Caylee gone missing, the daughter she did everything for took her away, out of jealousy, etc. Whose to say somebody didn't already meet up with Casey & advise her what to stick to. I've believed from the beginning that those 31 days was significant. There's no way in hell that anyone that I know would stay put and not put out an all points bulletin trying to locate my daughter & granddaughter that lived with me & I had a part in raising. Casey's Diary of Days almost seems to me as if she's remembering somebody coaching her with how to feel, react, talk...somebody that knows how to avoid the dp. Maybe somebody else knew that Caylee was dead b/c of her mother and was trying to help her avoid the needle since Florida is a DP state. Initially I thought it was George guiding her. Now I don;t even for a second believe Lee didn't know all along. No way. Maybe they think it was an accident and are trying to save Casey from death. Who knows. All I do know is that there's more to her stupid Diary of Days.

Something else. Everyone that lives in Florida knows when hurricane season is. Everyone that's familiar knows it doesn't rain as much in June as it does in July-early November. Rain would add contamination & mud to the body, depending on the area. Last year, hurricane season was expected to be bad. It ended up not being that way, but media was reporting that you could expect one of the worst. Maybe she tried to elude the police for as long as she could hoping Caylee's body would go away, erode, or something.

So, back to my question, why do you think it took for Cindy to get the notice about her car to finally search for Casey? I'm wondering if there's any chance that some of this ordeal is a front to shuck blame. Maybe they though with the more time that lapsed, then the less evidence there would be left. Did somebody guide Casey along and advise her how she could beat this? Is that the reason for her Diary of Days, maybe as a written reminder for her to stay strong, stick to the plan & story, & she'll win out. It sickens me to even think about it.

 

[LambChop]

I must say with all the challenges here between guilty and not guilty some very valuable information has been brought forward that I had forgotten about. All of which reaffirms my belief that KC is responsible for the death of her child. As far as the N-G folks, I still have not heard anything to convince me that some other dude did it. Sorry, N-G people but all I see is you spinning your wheels and blaming the very people who have tried to help.

 

[knt]

Notthatsmart, you crack me up. :floorlaugh: I can see you now, gazing thoughtfully at your monitor, drumming your fingers, trying to decide what you can say next to really rile everybody up. And it works every time! :floorlaugh:

I, however, have raised 7 grown children, and I know how to tell when someone is yanking my chain. LOL Furthermore, although your avi is a nice touch, it's also a dead giveaway that you want to create an illusion of stupidity. People who truly believe they aren't smart do not announce it to the world; they do the opposite. But what really gives you away is that you tend to use a very nice, intelligent turn of phrase right in the midst of an otherwise utterly incongruous statement.

I have to hand it to you, though--there are a lot of extremely smart people here and you're smart enough to keep them running around in the same circles, banging their heads against the walls, trying to understand you and help you understand them. LOL The truth is, you have such a genius for it, I almost hate to out you. :blowkiss:

If I've totally, completely, thoroughly guessed wrong about you, then all I can say is, "Well, nuts." And, "Okay, you vote Not Guilty. I get it. I respect it. No further explanation necessary, no argument forthcoming."

Regards--

:applause::applause::applause::applause:

Great post!!! :thumb: i watched all the chain yanking for quite a while, and refused to play. Then I slipped into the vortex. Your wonderful post pulled me back out.:woohoo: Thank you! It's like arguing with CA. :banghead: A huge waste...

 

[Mendara]

I often wonder when it clicked in Yuri's mind while questioning KC that this case was NOT about a mother who accidently killed her daughter and out of fear tried to cover it up, but instead it was a case of a cold blooded killer who murdered her baby and wasn't going to go down or give a ratz arse who was begging her to lead them to Caylee.

KC is chilling.

 

[LambChop]

One of the most telling things KC said while giving her statement to LE was, "Regardless of how it happened....." she then changed the subject. I would think that statement told them what they were dealing with.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

Not reckless at all. They were trying to trick a confession out of her and when it didn't work, they went back questions again. Simple

Anyone can be nice to someone and then be mean to them by accusing them of lying, intimidate them and try to trick them out of some statement. Their intentions were evil. It didn't work. It is a form of entrapment considering all the power LE has. These are good reasons to beware of LE and their intentions. I think it got out of hand and they made a huge mistake here. She is NG in my opinion

Trick? Whatever happened to the idea of gathering information? LE was called into this on day 32 of a baby girl gone missing. As far as LE was concerned, it was day one for them. They were trying to gather information. During their efforts to do so, it became clear that something was not making sense as they were only trying to get to the bottom of KC's elusive behavior. My only wish is that they had called CA over to that office at Universal to take part in the "interrogation" on day one (which was day 32) so we could be privvy to that confrontation prior to CA gathering script writers. That, I would have loved to see. Afterall, KC stated herself that the person she feared the most was her mother. Too bad that opportunity was missed. Now we'll never know if CA's chill down from her terror filled 911 call was immediate or if it took her a day or two to regroup. :waitasec:

:bigstick: I'm having trouble letting go this piece of the puzzle - the peculiar ways of CA (and GA too). I remain suspect of them and cannot shake the feeling that one of them is involved on a deeper level than was evident on July 16, 2008. :argue:

What is LE to do when they are dealing with a group of people who are strangers to the truth? I think LE has been "nice".

 

[Woe.be.gone]

Notthatsmart,

In thread #2 you said "Is that true? Where is that doc? Did the state really offer a plea to Casey? I don't know how I missed this." I found an article on Baynews9 that was run on Tuesday March 10, 2009 that has a signed motion that Casey had handwritten that she refused to take a plea deal for a crime she did not commit. So I would say yes, the state did in fact offer a plea to Casey.

Who signs their name like that? Does the accused with the school girl writing who claims to employ a Nanny also think she's a Doctor?

 

[Wudge]

I think she probably did it I'm just not 100% sure of it and I guess being an ex-con myself I feel those things can't be decided until trial.. until all evidence has been seen and discussed by professionals (experts) in a court of law when everyone must swear to tell the truth and nothing but. I know first hand that evidence doesn't always say what we think it says, that peoples opinion of evidence can vary greatly (like ours and the media's for example LOL).

I also have not been able to rule out (with the evidence we have seen, the information we do know) other members of this "family" that I believe are far more cunning, selfish and cruel than Casey is. I am not sure that Casey has not been set up by her loving and united "family".

The evidence that we know of does not rule out Caylee dying from an accident. Hence, it is not true that Caylee necessarily died at the hands of anyone. Moreover, the evidence in the public domain is insufficient to convict anyone of murder.

 

[marspiter]

Who signs their name like that? Does the accused with the school girl writing who claims to employ a Nanny also think she's a Doctor?

I can't say anything about signatures. With mine the only thing you can read is the first letter of my First name, My middle initial, and the first letter of my last name. The rest is basically just a squiggly line. Like this.

Xsquiggle X Xsquiggle

 

[knt]

The evidence that we know of does not rule out Caylee dying from an accident. Hence, it is not true that Caylee necessarily died at the hands of anyone. Moreover, the evidence in the public domain is insufficient to convict anyone of murder.

I think I'm getting the hang of this! It's like watching a football game. Time to pull NTS off the field and put Wudge in for a few plays. :bud:

 

[LambChop]

Her signature on the March 09 document does not match the signature on her statement to LE. But it does look very similar to the way JB signs his documents. KC patterns herself, likes, etc. after those around her. It is a major part of her personality. JMO

 

[marspiter]

The evidence that we know of does not rule out Caylee dying from an accident. Hence, it is not true that Caylee necessarily died at the hands of anyone. Moreover, the evidence in the public domain is insufficient to convict anyone of murder.

What evidence supports an accident?

Did Caylee fall in the garage and land on a roll of duct tape face first? Then in her panic of having duct tape on her face trip backward and land in a plastic trash bag....twice. While thrashing around in the trash bag she rolled into the laundry bag. Followed by a back flip with a half gainer into the trunk where she tragically died. All in jest of course but really an accident?

I'd find aliens more believable then an accident theory at this point in the case.

Also the defense at no point has claimed it was an accident. The only theory the defense has alluded to is a SODDI defense. The first DP lawyer on the case suggested going the accident route and was shot down from what I recall. The defense has also claimed Casey's innocence and will have to show the evidence in February. Yet they have said nothing, not one thing about an accident.

Even LP with his pool theory didn't get the defense jumping on the accident band wagon.

I will agree however that early on in this case that Casey could have got out with a slap on the wrist compared to what shes looking at if she just claimed accident from the very begging. That didn't happen however.

 

[LambChop]

The evidence that we know of does not rule out Caylee dying from an accident. Hence, it is not true that Caylee necessarily died at the hands of anyone. Moreover, the evidence in the public domain is insufficient to convict anyone of murder.

With all due respect given the fact that the defendant has not come forward and stated that it was an accident and the fact that the ME in her report listed homocide, I would be inclined to believe the ME. Afterall she is the one who actually saw the duct tape on the skull and has the experience to determine whether or not it was an accident. Not an expert but 3 pieces of duct tape layered and still attached to the skull speaks volumes to me.