"G (Guilty)" vs "NG (Not Guilty)" Where do you stand? #3

[Cat13067]

I've been thinking about this and it makes no sense whatsoever. We all observed CA in the jailhouse conversations asking tough questions in a kind manner - she and GA were walking on eggshells trying to get her to cooperate, flattering her, buttering her up, making promises she wouldn't have to work.

And the minute CA asked a question KC didn't like or want to answer she shot a snarky, sarcastic remark at her mother or threatened to put the phone down because she suddenly was so angry she couldn't swallow. Come on - it doesn't get any more sugary sweet than that and they got ZIPPO using that tactic. KC played them like she always did. People can say what they want about CA running that house but imo, it was KC and her spiteful little temper that ruled that roost. She treated her parents like an entitled princess treats servants.

I'm thanking for that post! Stole the line from CA during the JM deposition. LOL

 

[impatientredhead]

All first-degree murder trials do not require the Judge to instruct the jury on: first-degree murder, second-degree murder, third-degree murder and manslaughter.

HTH

I didn't say all first degree murder trials require anything.
Not all first degree trials are death penalty cases first of all.
And the vast majority of them happen in other states.

Check your statutes.

IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA a death penalty case requires the jury be instructed that they can find the defendant guilty of a lesser charge.

Casey- the case we are specifically discussing
Casey- charged in the state of Florida
Casey- facing the death penalty
Casey's jury- will be instructed to consider lesser charges

HTH

 

[ZsaZsa]

Oh please- perhaps they could just beat it out of her. This barbaric mentality does not produce results.

Obviously in this case they are not in the business of solving riddles.

Her parents should have done that years ago- perhaps then she would not have ended up as - in her own words- "an unfit mother". That is actually what her mother called her, according to Lee.

 

[Jersey*Girl]

Friday, where the heck are you? I just thought of something. Maybe one of the reason's the A's (more specifically, Lee, if you believe he knows this) won't release the identity of Caylee's father is b/c they know a civil suit will ensue and Caylee's father (or his family, if he's really deceased) could be awarded restitution. If Caylee actually died on the A's property, they could sue their homeowners and the A's would lose everything.

Hmmm...something to think about...

 

[Wudge]

I didn't say all first degree murder trials require anything.
Not all first degree trials are death penalty cases first of all.
And the vast majority of them happen in other states.

Check your statutes.

IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA a death penalty case requires the jury be instructed that they can find the defendant guilty of a lesser charge.

Casey- the case we are specifically discussing
Casey- charged in the state of Florida
Casey- facing the death penalty
Casey's jury- will be instructed to consider lesser charges

HTH

That instruction 'can' only be given 'if' the jury is instructed on a lesser charge to Casey's first-degree murder charge. Right now, the only lesser charge against Casey's first-degree murder charge is manslaughter, not second-degree murder nor third-degree murder.

HTH

 

[Jersey*Girl]

BTW, I may as well say this out loud now...I don't believe Casey isn't releasing Caylee's father's identity b/c he's deceased & it could hurt his family that didn't know they had a granddaughter...I believe he was married (or is still married if he's still actually alive) or she has no idea who accidentally lost their sperm and she just happened to pick it up.

 

[ZsaZsa]

Friday, where the heck are you? I just thought of something. Maybe one of the reason's the A's (more specifically, Lee, if you believe he knows this) won't release the identity of Caylee's father is b/c they know a civil suit will ensue and Caylee's father (or his family, if he's really deceased) could be awarded restitution. If Caylee actually died on the A's property, they could sue their homeowners and the A's would lose everything.

Hmmm...something to think about...

Oh, great post. Wouldn't that be great to watch!
Dr Baden stated, on Fox News - a long time ago- way before Caylee was found, that Police DID know the identity of the father. The interviewer asked only how they knew and Dr Baden said by DNA testing. The interviewer did not ask him to elaborate and he said no more. He did not say- A B and C were excluded by DNA- he definitely said that LE knew who he was. I am hoping the father will soon know that too.. :dance:

 

[sleutherontheside]

Yes, but I would have done it differently. I would be nice about it. I would give her time to answer each and every question. I understand Casey may have had some information that could have helped. It it so sad that they blew it when they started interrogating her in that fashion. Huge mistake on their part. You can ask tough questions in a kind manner.Q/]

Imagine questioning someone all day long, and each question is answered by a lie. Would you agree that anyone would become frustrated with hearing lie after lie after lie? Now imagine Caylee being your grandaughter and you were questioning your daughter over your granddaughter disappearance. Would you say 'Sweetheart, pretty please tell Mommy where Caylee is?
Let's get real! These dectectives deserve a medal in my book.

Broken quote here. Can we fix before we lose track of who said what??

 

[Cat13067]

Friday, where the heck are you? I just thought of something. Maybe one of the reason's the A's (more specifically, Lee, if you believe he knows this) won't release the identity of Caylee's father is b/c they know a civil suit will ensue and Caylee's father (or his family, if he's really deceased) could be awarded restitution. If Caylee actually died on the A's property, they could sue their homeowners and the A's would lose everything.

Hmmm...something to think about...

Gosh if Caylee's father did come forward it would end the meal ticket for the Anthony's. How sad, no more cruises! Wha Wha Wha

 

[Leila]

I agree with you on all points, except, I'm not certain the state will be able to secure a conviction with what is unknown to us at this stage. In my opinion, if the state had anything more convincing than what is already showing they would have put it out there.

I have to disagree with this. In every case I've followed, when it comes time for the trial, there's always been new information presented by the prosecution that wasn't made public prior to the trial.

 

[impatientredhead]

That instruction 'can' only be given 'if' the jury is instructed on a lesser charge to Casey's first-degree murder charge. Right now, the only lesser charge against Casey's first-degree murder charge is manslaughter, not second-degree murder nor third-degree murder.

HTH

You are wrong, but I assume you already know that and just enjoy this little dance. For the people who actually want to know the answer as it pertains to this specific case and state I have posted specific statutes, jury instructions, supreme court rulings, and case examples.

 

[Wudge]

You are wrong, but I assume you already know that and just enjoy this little dance. For the people who actually want to know the answer as it pertains to this specific case and state I have posted specific statutes, jury instructions, supreme court rulings, and case examples.

What statute (or what post of your refers to the statute) requires a Florida Judge to instruct the jury on a lesser charge in every first-degree murder trial?

 

[MissJames]

Over the past eighteen years, I've posted online against approximately forty-five high-profile cases. Around thirty of those cases went to trial. Of those thirty (or so) cases, I would have voted to convict in ten (or so) of the trials.


(I've posted case details within the last six to seven weeks. You can search my posts for same.)

So this has nothing to do with Caylee or KC,it has to do with your interest in posting against high profile cases.And when you say "in my experience" repeatedly,posting against said cases is what you are referring to.I'm glad you shared this with us,because it explains so much .

 

[Oakley]

Isn't it true that just a few weeks ago, you weren't even sure if Caylee was dead.

Got the wrong guy there. That is not true.

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Posts #30 and #86.

 

[impatientredhead]

What statute (or what post of your refers to the statute) requires a Florida Judge to instruct the jury on a lesser charge in every first-degree murder trial?

Again- I never said every first degree murder trial. I am not playing semantic games.

I said a jury that will be asked for their recommendation in a death penalty case is required by the state to be given the alternative of finding the defendant guilty of a lesser charge.

It is part and parcel to Casey having every legal opportunity to save her life before the state executes her. The exact statute is in one of my earlier posts, probably in one of the threads that we discussed how the death penalty changed the trial. From the timing, to the attorney qualifications, to the automatic appeal, etc....

 

[marspiter]

What statute (or what post of your refers to the statute) requires a Florida Judge to instruct the jury on a lesser charge in every first-degree murder trial?

Question? Have you ever posted a single citation or link to support any of your statements?

Once again thank you for your opinion however. I'll stick with posts that provide proper citation.

As has been said the proper information is here for others to read.

 

[Jersey*Girl]

Impatientredhead, I just wanted to say thanks. Pressing the thanks button just didn't seem to be enough.

 

[MissJames]

Is it possible that there are some NG sluethers out there that are not posting simply because they do not want to feel the passionate response of the majority? Is it possible that some NG sluethers may feel the response they get to their posts might be disrespectful, and might even feel if they post with passion their NG opinions, they will be met with a barrage of passionate G replies? Is it possible the NG opinions are based on what their opinion of the evidence is, and they choose to leave out the emotionally laden media spin on their findings? Is it possible that some NG posters do not post because they feel their feelings may be hurt if a G poster replies harshly? If any of these questions can be answered yes, then as a group we all lose out on the input these shy posters have. It's a lose lose situation. Polite, respectful posts when replying to others is what has drawn and kept me here in WS. I feel that some posters NG or G might not post because sometimes emotions run high and replies could be a bit more civil. I think we should all think about what we post and reread it before we post because when our emotions get too high we are apt to say something we may regret later. Once we hit submit, it's too late. I would urge anyone lurking out there to come in and join us. I can't speak for anyone other than myself, but I promise to be respectful and polite.

I appreciate the sentiment,but this is an anonymous forum.Why be afraid or have hurt feelings?
One answer might be to start a poll.No one has to post anything and we can see if there are many others who feel she's NG or sit on the fence.
BTW,it's the constant LE bashing,Judicial system bashing,baiting and trolling that has finally pushed me beyond polite.Someone with a sincere opinion of maybe not guilty is a bit different from someone with an agenda.At this point I find it nearly impossible that anyone could find her flat out innocent,but not sure til I see more, I can understand.I think she's guilty.JMO

 

[Wudge]

Again- I never said every first degree murder trial. I am not playing semantic games.

I said a jury that will be asked for their recommendation in a death penalty case is required by the state to be given the alternative of finding the defendant guilty of a lesser charge.

It is part and parcel to Casey having every legal opportunity to save her life before the state executes her. The exact statute is in one of my earlier posts, probably in one of the threads that we discussed how the death penalty changed the trial. From the timing, to the attorney qualifications, to the automatic appeal, etc....

I asked that because you said:

"Check your statutes.

IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA a death penalty case requires the jury be instructed that they can find the defendant guilty of a lesser charge."


If it is 'required' (I take that to be a requirement for every such case), then I would like to read that statute.

 

[thedeviledadvocate]

I have to disagree with this. In every case I've followed, when it comes time for the trial, there's always been new information presented by the prosecution that wasn't made public prior to the trial.

I agree with you that there will be more new evidence at trial, but my opinion remains, I don't think the state will introduce anything more convincing than they already have. I think if they had anything more convincing they would have already shown it. Just my opinion.