GUILTY GA - Antonio Santiago, 13 mos, Brunswick, 21 March 2013 - #3

[Hickory Born]

"The tattoo on Mr. Elkins' right arm, which is the name of his mother Karima, in the "I" there is a five point star that is common for People Nation gangs including the Bloods," explained Roderic Nohilly.

"We've identified more than 120 members of gangs. The biggest one is we've identified 15 known gang units in this city and county," said Chief Tobe Green.

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/topst...ce-chief-More-than-a-dozen-gangs-in-Brunswick

Somebody needs to tell the Mayor because he said there were no gangs problems in Brunswick.

 

[Hickory Born]

Is it possible that their were people that knew of DE's first robbery/ shooting? Had they come forward DE would possibly be in jail and therefore unable to murder Antonio.

I think you have a good point here. The article below reads "Calix-Flores and Jose Luis Rivera-Chavez were approached by three unidentified black males. "

http://m.wtoc.com/autojuice?targetU...85704/brunswick-man-shot-during-armed-robbery

 

[daisy.faithfull]

I think you have a good point here. The article below reads "Calix-Flores and Jose Luis Rivera-Chavez were approached by three unidentified black males. "

http://m.wtoc.com/autojuice?targetU...85704/brunswick-man-shot-during-armed-robbery

That and the shooting/ robbery attempt that DE is being charged with. I wonder if anyone knew about that?

 

[Hickory Born]

Daisy, I think that article IS the shooting/robbery that DE is charged with. Of course, this article came out before law enforcement knew it was DE who did the shooting. What I am wondering is who were the other 2 males and are they incarcerated.

 

[daisy.faithfull]

Daisy, I think that article IS the shooting/robbery that DE is charged with. Of course, this article came out before law enforcement knew it was DE who did the shooting. What I am wondering is who were the other 2 males and are they incarcerated.

LOL, I'm sorry. I didn't know that others were involved in that shooting. I was just going off an article that said that DE had been charged in another incident. Sorry.

 

[Hickory Born]

New motions defense attorney, Gough, has filed claims SW traded sex for drugs. Watch the video in this report. If any of you can actually find the motion, will you please post it.

http://www.fox30jax.com/content/top...d-baby-traded-sex/GOVAoF48ekaGvI0CzoCnmQ.cspx

IMO, SW needs an attorney NOW. If these claims are false, she needs to file a tort suit.

 

[Minette]

New motions defense attorney, Gough, has filed claims SW traded sex for drugs. Watch the video in this report. If any of you can actually find the motion, will you please post it.

http://www.fox30jax.com/content/top...d-baby-traded-sex/GOVAoF48ekaGvI0CzoCnmQ.cspx

IMO, SW needs an attorney NOW. If these claims are false, she needs to file a tort suit.

Even if she had, it still isn't OK to SHOOT HER BABY IN THE FACE. Just because someone might not be a saint, it isn't OK to SHOOT HER BABY IN THE FACE, because SHOOTING A BABY IN THE FACE is just about the worst crime there is.

Not yelling at you, Hickory, just trying in the face of this attorney's distasteful antics to keep the focus where it belongs: on the fact that his client SHOT A BABY IN THE FACE.

 

[Hickory Born]

Here are the NEW defense motions. Gough wants a hair sample for drug testing for SW. In motion, it states that "John Doe" met SW through a crack dealer, would engage in sexual acts in return for crack; he also states SW is a "heavy user.". The motion also states that "word on the street" is SW has an out of control crack addition.

There is more, so read all documents.

http://www.news4jax.com/blob/view/-...in-De-Marquise-Elkins-case.pdf?format=rss_2.0

Hope PrairieWind will weigh in on these motions.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

What does any of this have to do with the brutal killing of little Antonio?
This attorney is way off the mark here IMO.

She could have been smoking crack AT THE TIME and it still wouldn't change the fact that two thugs shot her baby in between his little eyes.

She is a VICTIM.

My gosh, humans scare the carp out of me sometimes.

 

[tlcya]

So Mr. Gough wants full access to the states witnesses and has no problem naming them and calling into question their credibility with wild allegations of insurance fraud, murder for hire, mental health family relations who are gang associates, all of which is unsubstantiated . . .

and yet he thinks he can file a motion based on tales told by an unnamed John Doe, a self professed crackhead, who is ostensibly afraid to come forward with his information because the Black Panthers might get him?

Seriously, lol

oh my.

He wants full access to state witnesses but the state should be sanctioned because he claims to have a crackhead who claims to know the victim/mother but who he won't produce to LE so they can try to verify or investigate the acurracy of fallacy of said claims?

:floorlaugh:

 

[tlcya]

Para 9 of Gough's 4th motion for discovery re Sherry West claims that she is not the victim she claims to be but is "crazy like a fox" because she was able to file motions in defense of herself in a civil suit?

Seriously? Uh, dude, you well know that it does not take a rocket scientists to look at how court pleadings file against you are structured and respond in kind. The two responses he attaches (exhibits 1 and 2) are simply responses and any person who can compose a sentence could have done the same thing she did. She simply cites the count from the complaint and either admits or denies that count. Its not like she argued the case or cited any law.

This motion is a joke.

 

[Minette]

Here are the NEW defense motions. Gough wants a hair sample for drug testing for SW. In motion, it states that "John Doe" met SW through a crack dealer, would engage in sexual acts in return for crack; he also states SW is a "heavy user.". The motion also states that "word on the street" is SW has an out of control crack addition.

There is more, so read all documents.

http://www.news4jax.com/blob/view/-...in-De-Marquise-Elkins-case.pdf?format=rss_2.0

Hope PrairieWind will weigh in on these motions.

Ah yes, the infamous "street", where Gough's client is fond of SHOOTING BABIES IN THE FACE.

 

[tlcya]

Yeah, I wasn't even sure how to attack the "word on the street" argument it was so ludicrous. lol.

oh my.

I find it so funny that word on the street found its way to Gough and not LE, who are trained to know how to locate the "word on the street"

Anybody want to bet the "street" is Elkins own? lol

Lets all remember that the DA has stated that moneyville is a gang reference and those individuals are known to be involved in the distribution of crack. Give a crackhead (customer) a big enough rock and he will say anything, hell he will do anything, he will paint your house at 3 a.m. in the dead of night darkness.

I am sorry but my new visual for Mr Gough is

 

[Minette]

ticya, :floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

Yeah, and for all we know, 'John Doe' could be Elkins himself and Gough is keeping his name secret because no one would tend to take the word of a guy who SHOOTS BABIES IN THE FACE.

(P.S. You'll all probably get sick of me using that phrase, but I dearly hope Mr. 'Stretch' Gough reads this thread so he'll realize that people aren't getting distracted from what his client did.)

 

[Hickory Born]

So Mr. Gough wants full access to the states witnesses and has no problem naming them and calling into question their credibility with wild allegations of insurance fraud, murder for hire, mental health family relations who are gang associates, all of which is unsubstantiated . . .

and yet he thinks he can file a motion based on tales told by an unnamed John Doe, a self professed crackhead, who is ostensibly afraid to come forward with his information because the Black Panthers might get him?

Seriously, lol

oh my.

He wants full access to state witnesses but the state should be sanctioned because he claims to have a crackhead who claims to know the victim/mother but who he won't produce to LE so they can try to verify or investigate the acurracy of fallacy of said claims?

:floorlaugh:

Very well put and needs repeating. Thank you tycia!

 

[tlcya]

where is Poirot? I can't wait for her to weight in.

 

[Hickory Born]

From yesterday's Brunswick newspaper:
The task force has identified 120 known gang members, made 107 arrests, seized 37 firearms and identified 15 known street gangs, Green said.

From interview with the Mayor:
The Mayor has said "We have law enforcement watching them."

Was law enforcement watching DE & DL? OR are the numbers above, just the tip of the iceberg?

I don't know if Websleuths was in existence when 3 Brunswick teenagers (Aqeel Bradley, 18, Antwuane Grovner, 17, and Tawone Sapp, 17) committed an atrocious rape on Sea Island in 2004, but IMO Brunswick has had a serious crime problem for years. Here are 2 links about this crime (first one reporting the crime and second one reporting the sentencing).

http://jacksonville.com/tu-online/stories/090804/geo_16581879.shtml

http://jacksonville.com/tu-online/stories/022506/geo_21203801.shtml

 

[tlcya]

If little Antonio's legacy is that he wakes up a community and its governing bodies to a problem and creates change and makes the city of Brunswick a safer place for others then I think that would be awfully fitting.

 

[MsFacetious]

I fail to see how this drug/sex "word on the street" is relevant. :waitasec:

http://www.fox30jax.com/content/top...d-baby-traded-sex/GOVAoF48ekaGvI0CzoCnmQ.cspx

The mother's actions and the shooters actions are separate as far as I can see.
It wouldn't change the charges against DE even IF these allegations against the mother are true.

Maybe this attorney is going to claim that this shooting was somehow connected to the sex/drugs thing?
Something like DE was forced to shoot the baby by someone else, due to a drug debt, or for revenge.

It doesn't matter if the mother was a drug dealer and hooker who beat her child, sold her child and drugged her child...

That child was ALIVE when they shot him... which means he's DEAD because they shot him. :facepalm:

That is really all that matters. :twocents:

 

[tlcya]

Its a really poorly executed attempt to continue to whittle away at mom's credibility as a witness.

From Mr. Armstr, er, Mr. Gough's perspective, he has not gotten discovery and therefore has no clue what damaging evidence the state has against his client. All he knows for sure is that Sherry West ID'd him. He is attacking that ID so strenuously because it is all he can really attack right now. That and DO (aunt to DL) are all he really has right now so that is where his focus is at the moment. Attacking their credibility.

Since his own client has ZERO credibility the only thing he's got are anonymous crackheads, a "crazy like a fox" allegation, a wild insurance fraud allegation, word on the streets, etc etc etc.

None of which he substantiates with affidavits or supporting documentation.