GUILTY GA - Antonio Santiago, 13 mos, Brunswick, 21 March 2013 - #1

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67% of statistics are made up. Using statistics in an argument make you 80% more believable. ;)

We know you just made that up.

(Does that mean I can believe 80% of the 67% ARE believable?) ;D
 
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Yes, both articles do, in fact. The confusion (to me) is that the 15-yr old's case is still being kept in juvenile court, for now, according to that article link I posted. In other words, I see those two things as conflicting and confusing, but then again--I'm not in the legal profession and all that obfuscatory jargon is clear as mud to me.

It may be that the prosecutor has indicated that the 15 yo will be charged as an adult, but that it just hasnt happened yet, the charging documents just havent been filed yet. In that case, the 15yo would remain in the juvinile court for the time being.
 
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What is DL doing "playing in the yard" during school hours roughly 9:30 ish? Not buying it.
 
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I don't do facebook. Could you, or someone, give me a quick rundown?

take what you have been reading from both sides of the "agendas" under the news articles, throw in tons more cursing and name calling and racial yuck from both sides, stir in a total lack of moderation and what you've got is the wild wild west.

We are so lucky to have such stringent moderation here at WS

What are your thoughts. Do you think there may be more arrests coming? I think it was these two boys who acted alone but do wonder if the gun is being "kept" by a third individual, maybe another young associate.

No link, no first hand knowledge, just a feeling.
 
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Yes, both articles do, in fact. The confusion (to me) is that the 15-yr old's case is still being kept in juvenile court, for now, according to that article link I posted. In other words, I see those two things as conflicting and confusing, but then again--I'm not in the legal profession and all that obfuscatory jargon is clear as mud to me.

We may need to get one of our legal experts in here to explain this to us. I wonder if the juvie court thing is because even when charged as an adult, if you are under 17 you are still a minor and due to safety reasons must still be held in a juveniles facility and may even have your case handled in juvie court.

Maybe something to do with keeping juvenile and grown adult offenders separate?

I find the many articles and the varied wording of each on this matter very confusing.
 
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We may need to get one of our legal experts in here to explain this to us. I wonder if the juvie court thing is because even when charged as an adult, if you are under 17 you are still a minor and due to safety reasons must still be held in a juveniles facility and may even have your case handled in juvie court.

Maybe something to do with keeping juvenile and grown adult offenders separate?

I find the many articles and the varied wording of each on this matter very confusing.

I don't know how this works exactly in Georgia. But typically a minor being charged as an adult would be held in a seperate facility or at least segragated from adult prisoners. But court appearances would be in regular adult court.
 
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take what you have been reading from both sides of the "agendas" under the news articles, throw in tons more cursing and name calling and racial yuck from both sides, stir in a total lack of moderation and what you've got is the wild wild west.

We are so lucky to have such stringent moderation here at WS

What are your thoughts. Do you think there may be more arrests coming? I think it was these two boys who acted alone but do wonder if the gun is being "kept" by a third individual, maybe another young associate.

No link, no first hand knowledge, just a feeling.

BBM - What do I think? I think this is a racial issue, at least partly. I can't see a black baby being shot in the face in broad daylight by 2 black teens. I don't think blacks and whites have ever understood each other. I see two different societies that are doing a poor job of integration, not to mention the "new" immigrants. It's been how many years since the end of the Civil War, and there is still tension and hatred.

My opinion only
 
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I am not touching the race component with a ten foot pole. Seen too many threads shut down because things quickly got out of hand. I hope I live to see the day when that has no bearing on a case or a conversation. Probably won't happen but a gal can dream.

But I was hoping to get your thoughts on whether you think, as some others have mentioned, that other arrests may be coming.

BBL to get your thoughts on that, off the try to figure out this juvie court adult charge puzzle.
 
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I would expect there will be more arrests as well. Not for direct particiaption in the murder/robbery, but more likely some sort of obstruction offenses: helping with the get away, hiding/disposing of the gun, providing false information to police. Its one thing to support a family member, even to defend them. But to make up lies and actively obstruct an investigation is quite another.
 
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She seemed to think the older suspect was younger than he is as well. She is basically just off on her ages. Maybe because once you get a certain age, teenagers seem to be younger than they are. And by the way, the other articles I've seen say she told police the younger boy was 10.
I have no idea where huffington post is getting a five year old?

Could just be she's said two different things to two different reporters. She hasn't exactly been consistent in her reporting of crime events for either of the 2 sons--for whatever reason. Not an accusation; trauma can make you confused, or she might just be naturally a little scattered. She's extremely talkative, and that also makes it harder to be consistent when recounting an emotional event.
 
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Originally Posted by iamnotagolem:
Are they both being charged with first degree murder or just the 15 y/o?

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Both teens face first-degree murder charges.

http://www.news4jax.com/news/Teens-...court/-/475880/19453230/-/apmedf/-/index.html

But then there's this...

District Attorney Jackie Johnson said she has many decisions to make, including whether to try the 14-year-old defendant in Superior Court rather than Juvenile Court.

“It’s too early to tell,” Johnson said. “It qualifies under the seven deadly.”

Georgia law said anyone between 13 and 17 can be tried as an adult if they commit any of “seven deadly sins.’’ Murder tops the list.

Johnson didn’t say when she would make the decision.

Read more at Jacksonville.com: http://jacksonville.com/news/georgi...ck-shaken-neighborhood-reflects#ixzz2OaZxrinx

:confused:
 
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Because of the significant amount of discretion the Georgia State Attorney has during the filing of charges against children 15 -17 years of age, it is imperative to retain an attorney who will work to keep the case in juvenile court. In the event the case goes to adult court, it is equally important to have a lawyer who understands the differences and options available in the juvenile court system and the appropriate juvenile sanctions with which to approach the court and ensure that the case is resolved with the child receiving proper sentencing.

http://www.pglawoffice.com/practice-areas/georgia-juvenile-law/index.html


In some states, a combination of the youth's age, offense, and prior record places certain juvenile offenders under the jurisdiction of both the juvenile and criminal courts. In these situations where the courts have concurrent jurisdiction, the prosecutor is given the authority to decide which court will initially handle the case. Transfer under these circumstances is known as "prosecutorial waiver."

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/juvenile/stats/states.html

GEORGIA
(b) Criminal jurisdiction.
(1) Except as provided in paragraph (2) of this subsection, the court shall have
concurrent jurisdiction with the superior court over a child who is alleged to have
committed a delinquent act which would be considered a crime if tried in a superior
court and for which the child may be punished by loss of life, imprisonment for life
without possibility of parole, or confinement for life in a penal institution.
(2)(A) The superior court shall have exclusive jurisdiction over the trial of any child 13
to 17 years of age who is alleged to have committed any of the following offenses:

(i) Murder;
(ii) Voluntary manslaughter;
(iii) Rape;
(iv) Aggravated sodomy;
(v) Aggravated child molestation;
(vi) Aggravated sexual battery; or
(vii) Armed robbery if committed with a firearm.

(A.1) The granting of bail or pretrial release of a child charged with an offense
enumerated in subparagraph (A) of this paragraph shall be governed by the provisions
of Code Section 17-6-1.

(B) After indictment, the superior court may after investigation and for extraordinary
cause transfer any case involving a child 13 to 17 years of age alleged to have
committed any offense enumerated in subparagraph (A) of this paragraph which is
not punishable by loss of life, imprisonment for life without possibility of parole, or
confinement for life in a penal institution. Any such transfer shall be appealable by the State of Georgia pursuant to Code Section 5-7-1. Upon such a transfer by the
superior court, jurisdiction shall vest in the juvenile court and jurisdiction of the
superior court shall terminate. Any case transferred by the superior court to the
juvenile court pursuant to this subparagraph shall be subject to the designated felony
provisions of Code Section 15-11-63 and the transfer of the case from superior court
to juvenile court shall constitute notice to the child that such case is subject to the
designated felony provisions of Code Section 15-11-63.

(C) Before indictment, the district attorney may, after investigation and for
extraordinary cause, decline prosecution in the superior court of a child 13 to 17 years
of age alleged to have committed an offense specified in subparagraph (A) of this
paragraph. Upon declining such prosecution in the superior court, the district attorney
shall immediately cause a petition to be filed in the appropriate juvenile court for
adjudication. Any case transferred by the district attorney to the juvenile court
pursuant to this subparagraph shall be subject to the designated felony provisions of
Code Section 15-11-63 and the transfer of the case from superior court to juvenile
court shall constitute notice to the child that such case is subject to the designated
felony provisions of Code Section 15-11-63.

http://www.ndaa.org/pdf/Juvenile Transfer 2011.pdf

BBM I think both could be applied to this case.

It looks as if in GA, the prosecutor has sole discretion as to whether she will pursue charges against DL in juvenile or in superior court on his charges. It also appears she has discretion to fully investigate whether she thinks there are any mitigating factors which would cause her to allow this to stay under the juvenile court rather than superior.

From what I THINK I understand from all of the above legalese is that DL starts out in Juvenile court. DA decides charges. DL is notified (the court hearing). IF, after investigating the case and any mitigators, DA decides to take it to adult (Superior) court then she files documents requesting that transfer and the case is thereafter overseen by superior court.

IF convicted in superior court, DL may still not face some of the same sentencing possibilities that DE will.

Still wish we had an attorney to tell us if this is all correct.
 
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Could just be she's said two different things to two different reporters. She hasn't exactly been consistent in her reporting of crime events for either of the 2 sons--for whatever reason. Not an accusation; trauma can make you confused, or she might just be naturally a little scattered. She's extremely talkative, and that also makes it harder to be consistent when recounting an emotional event.

As I said very early on, this woman has had some pretty significant spinal damage in car accidents. Even with airbags and seatbelts, the kind of trauma that causes spinal injury can also cause traumatic brain injuries, even if it's just from her brain hitting the inside of her skull. We don't know if she has an organic memory or cognitive impairment from her accidents.

She has also alluded to the fact that she may suffer from a mild form of agoraphobia. She speaks of not going out much, about forcing herself to go on a walk that morning, about fear of other people.

We also don't know what meds she is on. She was shot in the leg. She watched her son get shot in the face. And that's in ADDITION to the injuries and trauma she has already endured. I would HOPE they've given her something.

To me, she's speaking in a stream of consciousness manner. In the footage I've seen, she doesn't seem to be filtering between her brain and her mouth. She also doesn't seem to know what she's saying until it comes out. Lots of people speak that way when they are stressed or on certain kinds of medication.

My heart aches for this woman. I don't see the minor inconsistencies in her story as anything other than confusion or stress.
 
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Thanks for that post, tlcya. Believe it or not, that did clear things up a bit. I think.

I think I'll go take an aspirin, now.
 
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Do I think there will be more arrests? Possible, if the gun is found with someone else/gang member, whatever. Arrests for lying, covering up? Not hardly. They didn't arrest/charge Cindy Anthony for perjury did they?
 
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Guys check this out! Here is his DE's facebook comments from his friends.. Disgusting!!!

http://chasthuglife.blogspot.com/

Disgusting that your tax dollars have been spent to turn out critters that talk and think like this, and have the cajones to post it. They know nothing will happen to them 'cause they're the victims, don'tcha know. Disgusting isn't the word for it.

My opinion only.
 
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Whew. I thought I was going to have to eat crow but my heart went out to this mom.
Just starting to read...but sadly disappointed by the lack of care for the mother.....I know bad people do bad things to their own kids but most of us still have instincts...
 
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Disgusting that your tax dollars have been spent to turn out critters that talk and think like this, and have the cajones to post it. They know nothing will happen to them 'cause they're the victims, don'tcha know. Disgusting isn't the word for it.

My opinion only.



I need a freaking translator to understand what they're saying and I'm from South Carolina!:banghead:

LE should look into ALL of the folks posting on behalf of DE on that page!
 
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