GUILTY GA - Eight family members brutally murdered in Brunswick home, 29 Aug 2009

[Soulmagent]

Okay I am having a hard time believing this guy did this ,maybe because I dont want to think he did. I hope if they have evidence it is good physical evidence as an eyewitness at this point stands to make 50,000 and if it is Circumstantial evidence then that is money that doesnt get paid to anyone,a Thats a big sum of money up for the offering right before the end of the fiscal year . How do they account for reward money sought and prevent fraud within dept? Not that believe that a motive for arresting him.There are lots of reasons in this case to want an arrest. If they had thought he had committed these murders then I dont understand the use of the word random in the press releases at all. If they had suspected him from the get wouldnt they had said something like '' This appears to be an isolated crime, and they seem to have been the intended targets'' ?? I may be wrong but I thought they indicated that they had no suspects and no motive and that itself was or concerning? Didnt they?

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Okay I am having a hard time believing this guy did this ,maybe because I don't want to think he did. I hope if they have evidence it is good physical evidence as an eyewitness at this point stands to make 50,000 and if it is Circumstantial evidence then that is money that doesn't get paid to anyone,a Thats a big sum of money up for the offering right before the end of the fiscal year . How do they account for reward money sought and prevent fraud within dept? Not that believe that a motive for arresting him.There are lots of reasons in this case to want an arrest. If they had thought he had committed these murders then I dont understand the use of the word random in the press releases at all. If they had suspected him from the get wouldnt they had said something like '' This appears to be an isolated crime, and they seem to have been the intended targets'' ?? I may be wrong but I thought they indicated that they had no suspects and no motive and that itself was or concerning? Didn't they?

I don't think LE said any of this for the citizens. I think foremost what they said was to throw the suspect off and keep him guessing. By them saying they didn't know certain things they were able to keep what they were investigating quiet. He wanted to assure the citizens that all LE agencies were working deligently to find out who did this.

I think there is no motive for an arrest other than the evidence now collected shows who the murderer is. The motive is to ensure that they have a sound case so that when this man is brought to trial justice will be done for all the many victims who's blood was shed.

I never heard the PC say this was a random crime. At that time he said that he didn't know. He was not going to reveal anything either way.

They more or less said they had no suspects but in law enforcement that is subject to change at anytime when evidence is uncovered. I don't know of many LE now that labels a person a "suspect" before they are arrested. Since the Jewel fiasco out of Atlanta they are very guarded and usually use the terminology of "POI" but they are not even bound to call them that.

However in none of the press releases did he rule Heinz Jr. out or anyone else.

Imo, they had their suspicions fairly early on and now have uncovered vital evidence they were searching for...

Award money is to hope that others will call in tips about the suspect. I do believe they did get such tips about the real Heniz Jr. So it's worth every dime.

This is how most cases like this end, unfortunately. It turns out many times the murderer was someone known to them or kin to them. These poor victims had an enemy sleeping within their midst.

imo.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

OK I just got here and have caught up reading this information but did I skip the motive? Could it have been for the inheritance?? Does he owe money for drugs ? Was he high on crack and asked for money and they refused? I don't understand. Did I miss some information?

LE has released no motive and I doubt the DA will before he is brought to trial. I am from Georgia and I am convinced this WILL BE a death penalty case.

These victims were just hard working people who were struggling like so many in our economy. I doubt they could afford life insurance policies.

Why would he kill his entire family if he owed someone else drugs?

I don't think they had any money to offer him but by the way this family was said to be they would give anyone the shirt off their backs to help a family member.

I think the motive will be as senseless as these murders were.

imo

 

[sigsky]

I'm happy to admit I was totally wrong about Heinze. With that 911 call being so convincing he missed his calling as an actor. I think things will become clear as the evidence is released. I have a couple of ideas about motive but having been so wrong about everything so far, I'm going to do the Doering no comment thing. At least I am right about that.

 

[Coley]

Okay I am having a hard time believing this guy did this ,maybe because I dont want to think he did. I hope if they have evidence it is good physical evidence as an eyewitness at this point stands to make 50,000 and if it is Circumstantial evidence then that is money that doesnt get paid to anyone,a Thats a big sum of money up for the offering right before the end of the fiscal year . How do they account for reward money sought and prevent fraud within dept? Not that believe that a motive for arresting him.There are lots of reasons in this case to want an arrest. If they had thought he had committed these murders then I dont understand the use of the word random in the press releases at all. If they had suspected him from the get wouldnt they had said something like '' This appears to be an isolated crime, and they seem to have been the intended targets'' ?? I may be wrong but I thought they indicated that they had no suspects and no motive and that itself was or concerning? Didnt they?

SM...I had time to sleep on this one and I'm right there with you. Now I'm asking myself: Are they charging him because they want him to be the scape goat so that the person(s) involved will believe they got off scotch free?! Makes you :waitasec:

 

[Coley]

OK I just got here and have caught up reading this information but did I skip the motive? Could it have been for the inheritance?? Does he owe money for drugs ? Was he high on crack and asked for money and they refused? I don't understand. Did I miss some information?

They have not released a motive. $10,000/yr in pay doesn't seem like inheritance to me but then again we don't know of everything since a lot has not been released and we don't know them personally. Supposedly word is this family did have dealings in drugs and we know he had some green and one darvocet in a medicine bottle in his ashtray in his car.

 

[Coley]

I may seem a bit naive, but, until I hear absolute proof that Guy Jr Done this, I am having a very hard time believing it. I hope and pray he is just being used as a scapegoat.

The Guy Jr that I know loved his daddy, as well as the rest of the family. I have seen him take up time with Micheal, (the one with DS), laugh and play around with Junior (Rusty's 20 yr old son), carry and play around with Byron (the 3 yr old). I simply can not grasp the idea that he did this.


I'll be going to bed with a heavy heart....

BWK, I'm so sorry about your feelings. You are closer to the area than I (I'm in ATL) and people need to remember he is being charged at this point NOT CONVICTED and that he is innocent until proven guilty. LE has made mistakes before in charging people so we all need to keep an open mind. I read this morning this one statement that is slapping in the face and I'm having a hard time digesting this:

Snipped~
A reward for information leading to the arrest of those responsible for the homicides increased Friday, with a donation of $5,000 from an anonymous source, which raised the total reward to $55,000.

Doering said he was unsure if information obtained Friday was as a result of the reward offer.

http://www.thebrunswicknews.com/open_access/local_news/ARREST-090509

Note from Coley:
If this has anything to do with drugs, I'll be damned that some addicts would think this money was flashing $$ in their eyes to buy more drugs. What if the person(s) responsible called in to get this $$ and implemented Guy Jr.? There are to many damn what if's!!

 

[Coley]

Now since he has been charged it is raising more questions than before!!!!!!!!!!
Snipped~
Chief Matt Doering said, "We did not suspect him all along."

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/topstories/news-article.aspx?storyid=144486&catid=3

Note from Coley:
I'm sorry but someone jumped on the reward money! Funny how it increased in the past 48 hours and then since then increases this came about.

 

[Beyond Belief]

This is probably not complicated at all. The boy may have drug issues and was causing problems in the home. It doesn't take much to get on each others nerves packed in that tight. Pershaps he was told to leave, move elsewhere, something like that. H e was prob high when he did all this thus the real reaction come morning.
The dog did him in.

 

[Amster]

He is a fairly good actor....which just makes him more evil in my eyes.

I still can't figure out why nobody heard the gun shots. Maybe a silencer?

 

[Coley]

This is probably not complicated at all. The boy may have drug issues and was causing problems in the home. It doesn't take much to get on each others nerves packed in that tight. Pershaps he was told to leave, move elsewhere, something like that. H e was prob high when he did all this thus the real reaction come morning.
The dog did him in.

Or someone was there visiting and something happen?! Or someone went to the back door?! It could really be anything. 1 person couldn't take out 9 plus someone in the hospital without there being a large struggle.

 

[Coley]

Daily morning round-up~
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,546841,00.html?test=latestnews

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32697994/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/

http://www.wsbtv.com/news/20738311/detail.html

http://jacksonville.com/news/georgi...ick_slaying_victims_son_charged_in_8_slayings

 

[Missy70Texas]

Or someone was there visiting and something happen?! Or someone went to the back door?! It could really be anything. 1 person couldn't take out 9 plus someone in the hospital without there being a large struggle.

I can see it happening, the victims were at a major disadvantage, he had a weapon (maybe the rifle that he tried to hide), they were asleep in the dead of night, he took out the two strongest ones first (the two older men) then he got the young man that was staying there, the weaker ones next, the two young girls, (who were probably awake by now but perhaps slightly disoriented from sleep, another words their minds might not yet have been digesting what was going on) then, not necessarily in this order, he got the young man with downs syndrome and the baby and the lady in the wheel chair who probably would have been a sitting duck. The fear was probably so overwhelming that some of these people possibly failed to react, frozen with fear. The reason no one heard was probably because air conditioners were running and most of the neigbors were sound asleep. Air conditioners can be quite noisy and if the neighbors had fans on as well then they possibly would not have heard a thing. I think this attack had the element of surprise.

 

[Coley]

I can see it happening, the victims were at a major disadvantage, he had a weapon (maybe the rifle that he tried to hide), they were asleep in the dead of night, he took out the two strongest ones first (the two older men) then he got the young man that was staying there, the weaker ones next, the two young girls, (who were probably awake by now but perhaps slightly disoriented from sleep, another words their minds might not yet have been digesting what was going on) then, not necessarily in this order, he got the young man with downs syndrome and the baby and the lady in the wheel chair who probably would have been a sitting duck. The fear was probably so overwhelming that some of these people possibly failed to react, frozen with fear. The reason no one heard was probably because air conditioners were running and most of the neigbors were sound asleep. Air conditioners can be quite noisy and if the neighbors had fans on as well then they possibly would not have heard a thing. I think this attack had the element of surprise.

MD, although, shaved the timeline down in which they occurred from the time the call was made which was 8-12 hours.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Maybe I am just missing something. Why would LE want to make a 22 year old man a scapegoat for a crime he did not commit? So many agencies are involved in this case from local, GBI, FBI and US Marshals. Why would all of them be a part of any scapegoating?:waitasec:

If we had been discussing any other case and the person said they were the first that came upon the crime scene and found them yet was caught lying about their albi and whereabouts, we would have them in our cross hairs from the get go.

It isn't like we don't know that things like this can happen and do happen. We have seen the devastation that a son in a family caused where parents, multiple siblings and other family members were all slaughtered.

imo

 

[Missy70Texas]

MD, although, shaved the timeline down in which they occurred from the time the call was made which was 8-12 hours.

Have the investigators stated how they were found? I am wondering, if he attacked them while they were still awake did they find them face down perhaps in the living room, then this would mean that he held them at bay (for lack of a better term) with the gun then shot them systematically. Either way I don't think they ever phantom anything like this would happen, they were caught at a complete disadvantage. I hope some of the details start emerging so we can see what really happen, I am sure the investigators have a theory.

 

[believe09]

OK, from what I have read they charged and released him for concealing a weapon and making a false statement that it had been stolen, when in fact LE found the shotgun hidden in his car.

So I ask myself, if he was rearrested and charged 2 hours later, did ballistics match the weapon?

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Wow! I am shocked, too! I was also wrong to think his 911 call sounded legit and he had not been involved...at least directly. Wow.

BRUNSWICK -- Guy Heinze Jr., who frantically told 911 dispatchers about finding his family brutally beaten, was charged Friday with eight counts of murder.

Glynn County Police Chief Matt Doering said Heinze also was charged with attempted murder in the assault on a 3-year-old boy, the youngest of nine people attacked last weekend.

~snip~

Chrissy Toler’s son, 3-year-old Byron Jimerson, remains in critical condition but is improving, Doering said.

http://www.jacksonville.com/news/ge...ick_slaying_victims_son_charged_in_8_slayings BBM

Maybe it was the little boy who finally was able to talk and told them what happened.

One thing I don't understand is why he didn't "silence" the last two survivors while he had the chance? Some things just do not add up, but I guess they are certain they have the evidence to back up their charges.

 

[joe jones]

I think they have solid evidence that he was involved, from the news articles they did not rush to judgement and look for evidence to show he did the crime, but followed the evidence that led them to the perpetrator, once I heard the 911 he was top of my list, thats how cynical I have become after seeing the parade of grieving relatives who turn out to be the murderers over the years,

and I don't see a problem with 1 man killing all these victims by himself, if he was determined to kill them, or high on some kind of drug it is feasible one person did it

he may have had help and LE will find his accomplices, who knows,

but it is an horrendous crime, and for the surviving family members the horror and grief will last a lifetime, that and the knowledge that one of there own was involved,

 

[BWK Resident]

http://www2.wsav.com/sav/news/local/article/services_end_for_glynn_county_murder_victims/44063/

Tyler Heinze called the gravesite a “massacre scene” saying he has lost his father and now police want to pin the killings on his brother. “I know Guy did not do this, he didn’t have any blood or anything on him. I saw him a few hours before he went home. He was acting normal. I can’t believe he would have been involved.“

Tyler Heinze said “Guy did not do this, but someone did. And someone knows something and they should be man enough to come forward. “

Tyler Heinze says he talked to his brother Guy about 45 minutes before the service began on the telephone. “He doesn’t know what to do,“ he says. “My father is gone and now they’re trying to take my brother away from me, too. I am losing everyone I love. “

I attended the funeral today. I have never seen such a heart wrenching sight as all the caskets laid out awaiting burial, under funeral home tents and an early fall sky. Today would have been a perfect fishing day......

Rusty is between his two boys, his daughters are at his feet. Next to one son is his sister and then Guy Sr. It is a small country church cemetery, a wooded area, one I think they would have been pleased with. The only place I can think of that Rusty, Micheal, Junior and Guy would have liked better would have been on a high Altamaha river bank where they loved to fish.

I realize that Guy Jr has been arrested, but for God's sake, he should be considered innocent until a whole lot more info comes out to prove him guilty. Many, many people have been tried, convicted and sentenced that were sometimes years later, proven to be innocent. Too many cases of scapegoats and fall guys, just hurry up and convict the one most convenient.

There is more to this case that is not being said by law enforcement and/or reported by the media. There was no inheritance, no million dollar trust fund, no fancy house behind gates with a garage of high dollar automobiles. And Guy Jr wasn't some big time dope dealer. Believe me, if he had of been, and had that kind of money coming in, things would have been different for the whole family.

Yes, he was arrested on drug charges, (which i DO NOT condone by any means), but is was some grass and a couple Darvocet, not Crack, Heroin or LSD. The firearm he removed from the home was a shotgun, not a rifle or handgun. A shotgun makes a hell'uva lot more noise than either a rifle or handgun, and would have taken an expert gunsmith to make a decent silencer.

Go back through the 911 calls - in one section, he (Guy Jr) was asked by the 911 operator how many people were in the trailer. His reply was something like "six, I don't know". Now, if he was the murderer, he would have known how many were in the trailer. There were 9 - Rusty Sr., Junior, Micheal, Chrissy, Joe, Byron, Michelle, Brenda and Guy Sr.

Listen to the section where he screams out saying Micheal was alive, tell them to hurry. Micheal did have Down's Syndrome, but he could talk. If he would have lived, he could have pointed the finger at the murderer(s). If Guy Jr did this, why didn't he finish him off when he had the chance? No one else was in the trailer.

Too many things are simply not adding up. Please, let's not be so quick to judge, so quick to convict, so quick to sentence.

Had to add this -

http://news.aol.com/article/guy-heinze-jr-charged-with-mobile-home/646055