GUILTY GA - Eight family members brutally murdered in Brunswick home, 29 Aug 2009

[scandi]

Have the investigators stated how they were found? I am wondering, if he attacked them while they were still awake did they find them face down perhaps in the living room, then this would mean that he held them at bay (for lack of a better term) with the gun then shot them systematically. Either way I don't think they ever phantom anything like this would happen, they were caught at a complete disadvantage. I hope some of the details start emerging so we can see what really happen, I am sure the investigators have a theory.

Hi Missy, In one of the original links I read the victims were found both on the floor and in their beds. That would say there must have been quite an element of surprise IMO.



Hi Ocean, I've been wondering what the 2 new things are that LE learned, that when put together with everything else they had learned so far in the case, gave reason to arrest Guy Jr. xox

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I do understand, BWK, why you do not want to believe that Heinz Jr. is the guilty party but sadly these things happen all the time and yes, the suspects were supposed to have been known as a good guys who loved their family. How many times have we heard neighbors, family and friends say that the perp they knew couldn't have done something as horrible as they did but it turns out they did. They say there is a fine line between love and hate and maybe that is true here. Imo, something ignited that raging fire storm in him and this was the painful results.

Just because LE does not tell us what they know or what they have doesn't mean it doesn't exist. It is up to them to keep the integrity of the case sound. They are fully aware the DA has to prove the case beyond a reasonable doubt and they will release nothing that may jeopardize their case. I believe they are very comfortable with what they have uncovered and no matter how sad it is imo they do have the right guy.

As far as the brother not believing it well who can really blame him? I am sure it is just too painful for him to even contemplate that his own brother did this. Most family members are in denial when family murders happen. But if he is found guilty of this crime then his brother will have to face the brutal truth that no one took his family away from him but Heinz Jr. I feel very sorry for him and any of the other family members left behind to deal with it all.

I still believe that LE now has recovered the murder weapon. They would have never arrested him if they didn't have probable cause to do so. A Judge wouldn't have allowed it.

His 911 call did not strike me the same as you. He was able to maintain being rather chatty in a 12 minute call when his home had to be a house of horrors. I found he made self serving statements repeatedly when he kept trying to distance himself from the crime scene by telling them numerous times he had just gotten home. Plus I have heard horrific 911 calls from someone who said they found the body only for it to turn out to be the actual murderer themselves.


Aren't the local police the ones that investigated another high profile case in Brunswick about a little boy that was murdered? They seem to be very professional imo. Since the local police, GBI, FBI and US Marshals have been working tirelessly on this case I don't think they have made anyone a scapegoat. Imo, they now have uncovered what they needed to arrest him for 8 murders and one attempted murder.

Yes, there has been people who were wrongly convicted and most of the time those cases had to do with DNA not being available at that time or faulty eye witness testimony. Many cases today are solved by DNA evidence and circumstantial evidence. With this being such a gory scene I do feel Heinz did leave forensic evidence behind.

He is IUPG in a court of law. It is a legal standard that his jury will have to give him in the trial but on a message board though the public at large is allowed to have an opinion before a trial is held. We usually go by what information we have at the time and if something new comes to light then our opinions can and do change but for now it is reasonable that he is the one imo. Most murders are committed by someone known to them and many times it is a family member.

imo

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Hi Missy, In one of the original links I read the victims were found both on the floor and in their beds. That would say there must have been quite an element of surprise IMO.



Hi Ocean, I've been wondering what the 2 new things are that LE learned, that when put together with everything else they had learned so far in the case, gave reason to arrest Guy Jr. xox

Scandi!!!!:blowkiss:

From the very start they started searching a 15 mile radius. IMO they were looking for the murder weapon or clothing and I do believe they have now found it. Maybe someone saw him leave the mobile home park in the middle of the night? Maybe someone has come forward and told LE that Jr. showed up at their house in the middle of the night and had blood on him and told the person that if the police asked they were to say he was with them all night.

Now I am just speculating of course but it is obvious that LE obtained vital evidence yesterday that completely turned this case into an immediate arrest once they discovered what it showed.




imo

 

[Beyond Belief]

Wow awesome discussion.....

I was wondering now that the little guy is doing better if he was able to tell the authorities anything. I realize he's only three, but I have alot of respect for our little people some are very mature at three and communicate very well.

My prayers are with this little survivor. What a horrible past he has to live with. I wish he could be completely removed from the area to somewhere he will never have to deal with this or his father whose in jail.

 

[redfish]

The brother stated that his brother had just left his house when he returned home... He lived 15 miles away? I can't imagine his motive.... and knowing the child in the house could communicate if he survived, surely he would not be so quick to call for help??

 

[oceanblueeyes]

The brother stated that his brother had just left his house when he returned home... He lived 15 miles away? I can't imagine his motive.... and knowing the child in the house could communicate if he survived, surely he would not be so quick to call for help??

Wow now that is something to think about.

Was LE searching the stretch of area between the crime scene and his brother's house, I wonder?

I think he discovered Michael breathing when he went back inside and it was too late to do anything about it. The EMTs and LE were already on their way and the maintenance worker for the park was standing right outside.

IIRC, he never said anything about the three year old being alive and looks like that child is going to make it thank God.

Frankly when he returned to the crime scene I don't think he went inside then but ran to the maintenance worker telling him to call 911. Then when the worker was on the phone is when he went in with the worker standing there.

Makes me wonder also if the maintenance worker saw him retrieve the shotgun that Jr put in the trunk. Imo, he had already removed that before he left the first time after the murders occurred.

imo

 

[Chili Fries]

The brother stated that his brother had just left his house when he returned home... He lived 15 miles away? I can't imagine his motive.... and knowing the child in the house could communicate if he survived, surely he would not be so quick to call for help??

I think he may have committed the murders in an extreme fit of anger and then felt remorse when the anger subsided and he realized what he had done. He obviously still was concerned with protecting himself but beyond that he might have felt very emotional about what he had done.

 

[MomofBoys]

One thing I'm really rather conscious of is my tendency to rush to judgement in cases.I'm more of a "arrest 'em first, ask questions later" sort of girl. Not something I'm proud of, but I'm being honest.

This case feels different to me. He could very well be guilty, but I definitely feel like there's way more to this case than we know. Nothing about this arrest feels right to me. I know I just have an outsider's perspective and LE is in the position to know what they're talking about, but my gut's telling me this is far from it.

 

[joeysmom33]

Ok, I am new here so if this was already said please forgive me. I really hope this guy did not do this. This family is in so much pain as it is, but if one of there own is the one that caused their pain that would be unbearable. The one thing that sticks out to me is who would have the right frame of mind after seeing all his family dead to think about hiding the shotgun???? If he was so upset one would think hiding something from the cops would never be thought of.

 

[BWK Resident]

http://www.jacksonville.com/news/metro/2009-09-06/story/family_friends_gather_to_lay_7_slain_to_rest

Listen to the video of Tyler, Guy Jr.'s brother.

 

[Beyond Belief]

Tyler really did well in the interview. Any parent would be very proud of him. I have faith that if there is a different truth than what's being reported Tyler will find the answer.
God bless all involved.

 

[Coley]

http://www.jacksonville.com/news/metro/2009-09-06/story/family_friends_gather_to_lay_7_slain_to_rest

Listen to the video of Tyler, Guy Jr.'s brother.

I'm sorry but none of this is sitting well with me even more after watching this. Tyler raises some good points. I have hardly no doubt that Guy Jr. will be not convicted of this heinous crime if it even gets to that point without them releasing him 1st. With no disrespect to MD I know plenty of small town LE chiefs that pull this of arresting someone to try and prove a point to the real criminals as I have been one of those people who was trying to serve as a scapegoat and to scare the real criminals.

 

[SondraK]

Just wanted to take Tyler and hug him. What a sweet young man. I hope his brother did not do this terrible thing, but...........

 

[Coley]

Daily morning round-up:
http://www.thebrunswicknews.com/open_access/local_news/MURDER-060509-KK

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/topstories/news-article.aspx?storyid=144502&catid=3

http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2009/09/05/general-us-mobile-home-slayings_6853146.html

**All of these include various and a variety of pictures from the funeral**

 

[oceanblueeyes]

One thing I'm really rather conscious of is my tendency to rush to judgement in cases.I'm more of a "arrest 'em first, ask questions later" sort of girl. Not something I'm proud of, but I'm being honest.

This case feels different to me. He could very well be guilty, but I definitely feel like there's way more to this case than we know. Nothing about this arrest feels right to me. I know I just have an outsider's perspective and LE is in the position to know what they're talking about, but my gut's telling me this is far from it.

I do agree. LE knows far more than they are saying.

They have arrested him and we can all better believe they have a very good reason for doing that. The local, state and federal police agencies knows this is a highly publicized case.

We just don't know the intricate details like they do.

Even Jr's lawyer doesn't have a clue as to what LE has uncovered. He wont get that until normal discovery once the DA has to hand it over before trial.

imo

 

[Coley]

Thank god for our justice system: Just because you are arrested for a crime does not mean you are guilty of it. To bad some people don't look at it this way and automatically assume someone is guilty. If in the end he is convicted then I will accept it but until then we probably only know about 5% of the puzzle so I'm not quick to pass judgement.

 

[fran]

http://www.jacksonville.com/news/metro/2009-09-06/story/family_friends_gather_to_lay_7_slain_to_rest

Listen to the video of Tyler, Guy Jr.'s brother.

I haven't followed this case as closely as many of you, but from what I've seen, I just don't see how one person could have been responsible for seven murders, all at the same time...................at least without showing some sign of physical injury, as this young boy states. no way...............

I hope this local LE doesn't take the easiest path of resistance because then they can just go on back to their life as they knew it before this horrible crime. That wouldn't be fair to the accused, IF he's innocent, and a complete travesty of justice for ALL the victims.

Bless this family. Such a terrifying case.

fran

 

[Coley]

It was stated that the hours in which the crime occurred was 8-12 hours prior to the 911 call which came in around 8:00am on Aug 29th which is a Saturday which would put the time the crime occurred on Friday Aug 28th between the hours of 8:00 pm - 12:00 am. Now I don't know about you guys but if this so called shot gun, which was removed from the house by Guy Jr, could not have been the murder weapon. I shoot guns with my father every other weekend and a shot gun being fired 9 times (if it only took 1 shot) would have been very, very loud and people would have heard it at those times. Now the person(s) who committed this were obviously very mad so I really doubt the gun or guns were shot only once per person.

 

[Coley]

Also, trailer's are not well insulated regardless of the make, model, or year. We also know this family could not afford to run the a/c so the windows were open. I will have to go and look up the temps for those 2 days but I know here in ATL for the past few weeks the temp has been considerably cooler and we, personally, do not run our air in the house during those hours.

Since this was in a mobile home park and with these type of parks laid out it only makes sense that multiple went in quickly and were out quickly and left.

 

[Coley]

Online gallery of funeral:

http://thebrunswicknews.mycapture.c...?image=25428116&event=830549&CategoryID=36121