GUILTY GA - Eight family members brutally murdered in Brunswick home, 29 Aug 2009

[Soulmagent]

I'm saddened to see my post (and OBEs response) from a day ago is it for the last 24 hours..... It's already fading away in people's memories. I read it could be up to two years before he stands trial. By then no one will remember this. We'll have another fresh Dugard story or Ann Le case to occupy us. I'm saddened at this in a way. On the other hand if shutting us out of the know ensures the criminal will be given death, I can handle it.

Anyone know the status of Byron, the toddler? I'm eager to find out if he is going to be ok. Its like a little glimmer of light left. There is nothing on the web I can find.

I was going to respond to the thread last night to OBE's post but decided not to as I like to think things over often and reflect.
I do not think people will forget this case but with the like of information it is hard to drive a thread forward. They are just not giving out anything.
Where did you read it could be up to 2 yrs before he stands trial?

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I was going to respond to the thread last night to OBE's post but decided not to as I like to think things over often and reflect.
I do not think people will forget this case but with the like of information it is hard to drive a thread forward. They are just not giving out anything.
Where did you read it could be up to 2 yrs before he stands trial?

Good morning, Soul,

I am not Ebbie of course but I will try to answer your question and then Ebbie can also answer you when they come back.

Most murder cases take from 1-2 years to try. There are various reasons for that and of course it will vary in this case as well.

First I am not sure if Jr.s attorney is a death penalty qualified attorney. If not the State will have to provide one for him. He may become lead attorney with his present attorney being second chair. I think going in the defense attorneys know no plea deals will be offered in this case.

Then many hearing dates will have to be held with the Judge on motions that either side will file with the Judge. He may only hear a couple of issues at a time. It does really move slow. He has other cases and so does both the state and defense attorneys.

Now the defendant has a right to opt for a speedy trial and it would have to take place iirc in 180 days of arraignment. I don't think they are going to want a speedy trial. Jail is much better and more relaxed than in a state prison, should he be convicted. Plus the attorneys will want the extra time hoping that the shock and awe wears off a little in the community. I do agree with you. No one is going to forget about this massacre but as long as the evidence is protected it doesn't taint the potential jury pool.

The discovery that has to be turned over to the defense as it comes in has to be completed 30 days before trial. Now we may think they have finished their investigation but imo they will continue right up until the trial and if new evidence is found they will even ask the Judge to allow it in beyond the cutoff date. Sometimes they do sometimes they don't.

So two years sounds about right imo.

Ocean

 

[Soulmagent]

Good Morning OBE,
I have no doubt the trial will last that long. Ebbie said she read that ,I thought i missed something in print.
It will be interesting to see if they offer him a plea as i think that will be very telling of the evidence they have agaisnt him. I would love to say I am not bais in favor of GuyJr being innocent but cannot. I have read an reread and went over that 911 call to the point my husband got me earphones. At this point I believe i could refute any evidence agaisnt him unless it was vidoe taped.I wont though all i need is something to convince me he did this and I will jump over the fence. But right now I trust what i know more then what i dont know. I hope this case does not become a DNA case. And this is whyhttp://74.125.113.132/search?q=cache:NAN9KC1gRZwJ:articles.latimes.com/2008/jul/20/local/me-dna20+dna+arizona+search&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

 

[bbwriter]

I have been so intrigued by this case since day 1 and I have some questions if anyone might know the answers:
Does Guy Jr have a previous police record, if so, for what?
I see the mug shots and reports on Chrissy Toler and Joseph West, and there is a mug shot of Russell Jr, but no info on what he was charged with...anyone know?
Chrissy Toler certainly looks like the one with the worst rap sheet, I expected it to be West, since he is much older, but it was her and her previous husband who committed armed robbery and other crimes and she testified against him to go free, he is serving 20 years and is the father to her surviving child.
There are also reports that West claimed to be supporting everyone in he trailer...how?? Most likely with the reputations of all involved it was drugs. I just think that Chrissy, West, Toler Jr and Guy Jr were all involved in something that got them all killed....how did Guy Jr escape...where was he that night? I am sure there are rumors around that small town.
But I am sitting on pins and needles waiting for the 2 bits of evidence they have on Jr that will send him to death row. I still think 1 person beating 9 people to death, leaving, and returning at 8am to call 911 is such a stretch.
as you all say....imo

 

[Soulmagent]

I have been so intrigued by this case since day 1 and I have some questions if anyone might know the answers:
Does Guy Jr have a previous police record, if so, for what?
I see the mug shots and reports on Chrissy Toler and Joseph West, and there is a mug shot of Russell Jr, but no info on what he was charged with...anyone know?
Chrissy Toler certainly looks like the one with the worst rap sheet, I expected it to be West, since he is much older, but it was her and her previous husband who committed armed robbery and other crimes and she testified against him to go free, he is serving 20 years and is the father to her surviving child.
There are also reports that West claimed to be supporting everyone in he trailer...how?? Most likely with the reputations of all involved it was drugs. I just think that Chrissy, West, Toler Jr and Guy Jr were all involved in something that got them all killed....how did Guy Jr escape...where was he that night? I am sure there are rumors around that small town.
But I am sitting on pins and needles waiting for the 2 bits of evidence they have on Jr that will send him to death row. I still think 1 person beating 9 people to death, leaving, and returning at 8am to call 911 is such a stretch.
as you all say....imo

The mug shot of GuyJr was from the day of the 911 calls. He was arrested on charges of tampering with evidence, lying to police and illegal possession of prescription drugs and marijuana.
I have not seen any information about him ever being arrested before,but I suppose he could have a record although it was not printed when the rest of the familys records made the media which leads me to believe he may not have had any charges before. Christy Toler's record is pretty bad for such a young woman. J.West coke charge also is concerning. Much more then the weed GuyJr had on him. And Still no one can answer if Belinda West son lived there and if he didnt why did she think he would be there. I realy strongly believe that needs to be explored. As she showed up at the scence of the investagation, screaming and crying ''they killed my boy " who the h3!! are they?And how does she know they did it? Much more to read into in that statement them the whole 911 tape (imo)

 

[oceanblueeyes]

The mug shot of GuyJr was from the day of the 911 calls. He was arrested on charges of tampering with evidence, lying to police and illegal possession of prescription drugs and marijuana.
I have not seen any information about him ever being arrested before,but I suppose he could have a record although it was not printed when the rest of the familys records made the media which leads me to believe he may not have had any charges before. Christy Toler's record is pretty bad for such a young woman. J.West coke charge also is concerning. Much more then the weed GuyJr had on him. And Still no one can answer if Belinda West son lived there and if he didn't why did she think he would be there. I really strongly believe that needs to be explored. As she showed up at the scence of the investigation, screaming and crying ''they killed my boy " who the h3!! are they?And how does she know they did it? Much more to read into in that statement them the whole 911 tape (imo)

When was Christy arrested? I was thinking that happened way back in 2005. Has she been arrested for anything else after then?

I cant speak for the mom but I do know we Southerners use "they" ad nauseum when we don't know who the person or persons are. "They" as in general and not meaning more than one necessarily.

imo

 

[ebbie]

I have been so intrigued by this case since day 1 and I have some questions if anyone might know the answers:
Does Guy Jr have a previous police record, if so, for what?
I see the mug shots and reports on Chrissy Toler and Joseph West, and there is a mug shot of Russell Jr, but no info on what he was charged with...anyone know?
Chrissy Toler certainly looks like the one with the worst rap sheet, I expected it to be West, since he is much older, but it was her and her previous husband who committed armed robbery and other crimes and she testified against him to go free, he is serving 20 years and is the father to her surviving child.
There are also reports that West claimed to be supporting everyone in he trailer...how?? Most likely with the reputations of all involved it was drugs. I just think that Chrissy, West, Toler Jr and Guy Jr were all involved in something that got them all killed....how did Guy Jr escape...where was he that night? I am sure there are rumors around that small town.
But I am sitting on pins and needles waiting for the 2 bits of evidence they have on Jr that will send him to death row. I still think 1 person beating 9 people to death, leaving, and returning at 8am to call 911 is such a stretch.
as you all say....imo

Thanks Ocean and Soul for the explanations and extra info. Ocean, you have more knowledge of the system than a normal person has. You're on one side or another of the law!! I have been rereading posts over to let some things sink it albeit slowly. (The closest I've been to a court is evicting a tenant.)

BBwriter, I have the same exact questions. Now off to check out mugshots. DIdn't know about them.

Still no word on the toddler though..... I need to think he'll survive.

 

[Soulmagent]

When was Christy arrested? I was thinking that happened way back in 2005. Has she been arrested for anything else after then?

I cant speak for the mom but I do know we Southerners use "they" ad nauseum when we don't know who the person or persons are. "They" as in general and not meaning more than one necessarily.

imo

Christy's arrest were in 2005. She was on probation.

I am aware of how ''they'' can be used in general. But when arriving on a crime scene it use is not what is to be expected. I would of expected a ''what happened who did this?''. But she knew her son was in there(he wasnt) and then that "they " (in general or not) killed her boy? Wouldnt you be less likey to accept the idea of this? I would not be so quick to say it after they pulled two live people from the home. It seems as if she was expecting some sorta of bad thing to happen or she wanted to be at the scene since we have not heard that the son lived there or not to verify if she even had a reason to be. Either he did live there or he didnt but why nothing about it? I just feel this is a loose end.

 

[bbwriter]

forgive me if I go over things that have already been discussed...but....according to news coverage...at the funerals, relatives were quoted as saying..."if we had gotten involved sooner, maybe we could have stopped this from happening." Sounds like they knew what was going on there. I think the outside family knew that members of the family that lived in the trailer had bad ties with an evil business.
My guess is that Rusty Jr, Chrissy, J. West, and Guy Jr, all had involvement in drug dealing. They lived a fairly destitute life in a pathetic trailer to call home and I have heard nothing of any of them being employed except for Guy Sr. (truck driver) and Russell Sr. ( who was recently laid off). They were also facing eviction from the trailer they called home..... that apparently housed 10 people.

from the jacksonville news:
West's sister-in-law, Belinda West, said Joseph was a provider for those who lived in the trailer.

"He took care of everybody in that house," she said. "He just bought them school clothes."

In December (2008), Joseph West began dating Chrissy Toler and the two started a small lawn care service, Otis West said, noting that his brother was fond of Chrissy Toler's son, the critically wounded 3-year-old.

"Him and Byron were real, real close," Otis West said. "He treated him like he was his own child."

Has anyone heard anything about this so-called "lawn business"? I doubt it.

My gut says that Guy Jr., couldn't have done this himself....but could have definitely been the reason for it... would like to hear your opinions....

would still like to know if anyone knows of Guy Jr having a previous Police record...and what Russell Jr was arrested for previously(mug shots are online)

I am also following murder cases in Mississippi, and have gotten more proven information from the "rumor mill" of folks that live there than anything in the papers. Anyone on this thread from Brunswick?

Thanks for any response.

 

[Soulmagent]

forgive me if I go over things that have already been discussed...but....according to news coverage...at the funerals, relatives were quoted as saying..."if we had gotten involved sooner, maybe we could have stopped this from happening." Sounds like they knew what was going on there. I think the outside family knew that members of the family that lived in the trailer had bad ties with an evil business.
My guess is that Rusty Jr, Chrissy, J. West, and Guy Jr, all had involvement in drug dealing. They lived a fairly destitute life in a pathetic trailer to call home and I have heard nothing of any of them being employed except for Guy Sr. (truck driver) and Russell Sr. ( who was recently laid off). They were also facing eviction from the trailer they called home..... that apparently housed 10 people.

from the jacksonville news:
West's sister-in-law, Belinda West, said Joseph was a provider for those who lived in the trailer.

"He took care of everybody in that house," she said. "He just bought them school clothes."

In December (2008), Joseph West began dating Chrissy Toler and the two started a small lawn care service, Otis West said, noting that his brother was fond of Chrissy Toler's son, the critically wounded 3-year-old.

"Him and Byron were real, real close," Otis West said. "He treated him like he was his own child."

Has anyone heard anything about this so-called "lawn business"? I doubt it.

My gut says that Guy Jr., couldn't have done this himself....but could have definitely been the reason for it... would like to hear your opinions....

would still like to know if anyone knows of Guy Jr having a previous Police record...and what Russell Jr was arrested for previously(mug shots are online)

I am also following murder cases in Mississippi, and have gotten more proven information from the "rumor mill" of folks that live there than anything in the papers. Anyone on this thread from Brunswick?

Thanks for any response.

The mug shot your are speaking of is NOT RustyJr it is his dad. I have not found any arrest information for GuyJr or RustyJr. I am pretty sure if they had one it would have been mentioned in the media.
I wouldnt believe anything Belinda West has to say If she is to be believed then 11 people lived in the house. And I am pretty sure the school clothes were reported as being supplied by RustySr.
I have seen mention of GuyJr having a job but i cannot cite the sorce until I have more time to search it. I have not heard anything else about that lawn care bussiness. Interesting as well I cannot find J.West's obit. Are they keeping family names out of the papers?


Found this where they talk of the evidence agaist GuyJr
http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache...ler+jr+arrest+record&cd=8&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

(snip)
BRUNSWICK, Georgia (CNN) -- Guy Heinze Jr., the son of one of the victims of last week's killings of eight people in a southeast Georgia mobile home, has been arrested on eight counts of first degree murder, police said Friday.

"This arrest is the result of a compilation of physical as well as testimonial evidence," a police statement said. More details were expected at a police news conference set for Friday evening. (unsnip)
Well I hadnt heard them admit it was testimonial evidence but I find that interesting and suspect. I hope the reward isnt their motivating factor. so thats one peice of evidence of they 2 key pieces they had ,whats the 2?

I also read that the grand jury heard this case for 3 hours before true billing it , isnt that a little long if the evidence is strong? I will edit this post later with the link .

 

[amyb80]

There are a lot of things about this case that do not add up. I have read over the 911 call transcript of the call made by the lady (property manager?)who was requested to call by Guy Jr., but never listened to the audio of it so the emotion (or lack thereof, as some people feel) relayed in the call is unknown to me. It's hard for me to wrap my head around this. In reading the transcript, I don't know whether I find it odd he phrased himself as, "I just got home" or "I got home just now" without any additional elaboration. Some people have pointed out that he seemed to be excessively trying to establish that he had not been back there prior to leaving the evening before. What does strike me as odd is it was a fairly large family and there were evidently other family members residing nearby (i.e. Tyler and the lady who's home the family congregated at that news reports said was a grandmother to some of the victims) so there was ample opportunity for Guy to have simply called up someone (say Tyler or the grandma) and gave them a reason to need to stop by the trailer and find the scene themselves. That is just one of the things about this case that is grating on me.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

The mug shot your are speaking of is NOT RustyJr it is his dad. I have not found any arrest information for GuyJr or RustyJr. I am pretty sure if they had one it would have been mentioned in the media.
I wouldn't believe anything Belinda West has to say If she is to be believed then 11 people lived in the house. And I am pretty sure the school clothes were reported as being supplied by RustySr.
I have seen mention of GuyJr having a job but i cannot cite the source until I have more time to search it. I have not heard anything else about that lawn care business. Interesting as well I cannot find J.West's obit. Are they keeping family names out of the papers?


Found this where they talk of the evidence ageist GuyJr
http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache...ler+jr+arrest+record&cd=8&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

(snip)
BRUNSWICK, Georgia (CNN) -- Guy Heinze Jr., the son of one of the victims of last week's killings of eight people in a southeast Georgia mobile home, has been arrested on eight counts of first degree murder, police said Friday.

"This arrest is the result of a compilation of physical as well as testimonial evidence," a police statement said. More details were expected at a police news conference set for Friday evening. (unsnip)
Well I hadn't heard them admit it was testimonial evidence but I find that interesting and suspect. I hope the reward isn't their motivating factor. so thats one piece of evidence of they 2 key pieces they had ,whats the 2?

I also read that the grand jury heard this case for 3 hours before true billing it , isn't that a little long if the evidence is strong? I will edit this post later with the link .

The GJ may have heard other cases that day not just this one.

But I do think Doering hinted recently that they did have testimonial evidence. He told the media they were only presuming no one heard or saw anything. The other two pieces of evidence he received the day of the arrest were forensic in nature imo. May have found weapon or clothing.

I actually think there are people right now that have been interviewed by the police that has a good idea why he did this and has told LE.

So that really makes the case more secure with not only having forensic evidence and usually bloody crime scenes yield a lot of that type of evidence but they have witnesses also. More and more forensic evidence will be forthcoming too in the coming weeks and months and I think they will find more witnesses that knew about the unrest in that household.

imo

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Thanks Ocean and Soul for the explanations and extra info. Ocean, you have more knowledge of the system than a normal person has. You're on one side or another of the law!! I have been rereading posts over to let some things sink it albeit slowly. (The closest I've been to a court is evicting a tenant.)

BBwriter, I have the same exact questions. Now off to check out mugshots. Didn't know about them.

Still no word on the toddler though..... I need to think he'll survive.

The last I heard about the little fellow he was still on life support and still in critical condition. I am praying for a miracle out of all of this tragedy. I do wonder though even if he survives whether he will ever be the same mentally. It is just so heartbreaking........all of it.

Why thank you, Ebbie. Well I can honestly tell you this...I have never been on the wrong side of the law except I did get a ticket for speeding in 1981.:blushing:

I have been a juror several times and on a GJ once. Three of those cases were murder cases. One a death penalty case. Also sites such as this one gives a person an opportunity to educate themselves when it comes to the justice system and the procedures. We do have posters who are in this profession in some type of capacity and believe me I have learned a lot and researched more than I care to think about in 10 years of being a member on crime message boards.

Ocean

 

[bbwriter]

Thanks, Soul....that makes much more sense....that mug shot is Toler, SR! Okay, I went back and looked at my notes and it is dated 1997--12 years ago--(also looks like he has blood on his shirt). He just looks so young, I assumed it was JR.
I have not found an obit on West either, but his family is going to great lengths to make him look like the good guy of the bunch.

 

[kgeaux]

forgive me if I go over things that have already been discussed...but....according to news coverage...at the funerals, relatives were quoted as saying..."if we had gotten involved sooner, maybe we could have stopped this from happening." Sounds like they knew what was going on there. I think the outside family knew that members of the family that lived in the trailer had bad ties with an evil business.
My guess is that Rusty Jr, Chrissy, J. West, and Guy Jr, all had involvement in drug dealing. They lived a fairly destitute life in a pathetic trailer to call home and I have heard nothing of any of them being employed except for Guy Sr. (truck driver) and Russell Sr. ( who was recently laid off). They were also facing eviction from the trailer they called home..... that apparently housed 10 people.

from the jacksonville news:
West's sister-in-law, Belinda West, said Joseph was a provider for those who lived in the trailer.

"He took care of everybody in that house," she said. "He just bought them school clothes."



Thanks for any response.

Just jumping in to make a quick observation! I am intrigued by the idea that everyone might have had ties to bad characters or been involved with dealing drugs. I do have to say, though, that I always thought drug dealers would be floating in money.....that it would be the drug USERS who are perpetually broke.

I am having a very hard time accepting that GuyJr. may have done this, and acted alone. It still doesn't ring true to me, and I hope we will learn more about what evidence LE has soon.

 

[annmarie62]

Just jumping in to make a quick observation! I am intrigued by the idea that everyone might have had ties to bad characters or been involved with dealing drugs. I do have to say, though, that I always thought drug dealers would be floating in money.....that it would be the drug USERS who are perpetually broke.

I am having a very hard time accepting that GuyJr. may have done this, and acted alone. It still doesn't ring true to me, and I hope we will learn more about what evidence LE has soon.

I am also highly interested in the upcoming news conference; surely there is a LOT we have yet to know... As far as drug dealers "floating in money," that more than likely only/mostly applies to the really high-up, BIG-TIME 'kingpins' who finance the trafficking and keep their own selves as REMOVED as possible from the literal (and smalltime) buying and selling of the hustlers and users on the actual "streets." If these people dealt drugs, they probably were
very "low level" types who were also DRUG USERS-- a huge difference. Many people sell quite a bit of drugs (rather large dollar amounts, when added up), BUT their own habits eat away at the "profits" and often lead to big trouble. They are more or less in the drug business to finance their own addictions, which easily can get out of control if the "product" is readily available. This can lead to ripping (and thus pissing) people off, people who are also serious users with criminal records and hairtrigger tempers. Even if the sellers are relatively "sane," all it takes is one bad apple/loose cannon, and the whole operation goes down. The sellers who make millions are the ones "smart" enough to NOT partake of their own dope, and these people will do ANYTHING to stay away from prison. jmo, moo, etc!

 

[Soulmagent]

The GJ may have heard other cases that day not just this one.

But I do think Doering hinted recently that they did have testimonial evidence. He told the media they were only presuming no one heard or saw anything. The other two pieces of evidence he received the day of the arrest were forensic in nature imo. May have found weapon or clothing.

I actually think there are people right now that have been interviewed by the police that has a good idea why he did this and has told LE.

So that really makes the case more secure with not only having forensic evidence and usually bloody crime scenes yield a lot of that type of evidence but they have witnesses also. More and more forensic evidence will be forthcoming too in the coming weeks and months and I think they will find more witnesses that knew about the unrest in that household.

imo

Hey OBE, I am posting the link for everyone to read about the 3 hour Grand Jury. Doering didnt hint at having testimonial he flat out said it.http://74.125.93.132/search?q=cache...+3+hours+of+evidence&cd=4&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I am also highly interested in the upcoming news conference; surely there is a LOT we have yet to know... As far as drug dealers "floating in money," that more than likely only/mostly applies to the really high-up, BIG-TIME 'kingpins' who finance the trafficking and keep their own selves as REMOVED as possible from the literal (and smalltime) buying and selling of the hustlers and users on the actual "streets." If these people dealt drugs, they probably were
very "low level" types who were also DRUG USERS-- a huge difference. Many people sell quite a bit of drugs (rather large dollar amounts, when added up), BUT their own habits eat away at the "profits" and often lead to big trouble. They are more or less in the drug business to finance their own addictions, which easily can get out of control if the "product" is readily available. This can lead to ripping (and thus pissing) people off, people who are also serious users with criminal records and hairtrigger tempers. Even if the sellers are relatively "sane," all it takes is one bad apple/loose cannon, and the whole operation goes down. The sellers who make millions are the ones "smart" enough to NOT partake of their own dope, and these people will do ANYTHING to stay away from prison. jmo, moo, etc!

Is there to be a new PC scheduled for Friday? I know in the article that Soul linked mentioned one but I thought that may have been an older article.

Who really knows what his motive was. No one knows for sure but him but even though I think it is logical to think there may have been some drug usage in that home or even petty selling I don't think this was a drug hit. Just doesn't seem to fit the profile, imo. Usually if drugs are involved and it is someone outside of the family then handguns are used or the perps simply tries to burn the house to the ground with everyone in it. If that home had been started burning it would have burned to the ground quickly.

Bludgeoning means they have to come up very up close and personal to each of their victims. I just don't think an outsider would take that chance of being in the home that long. To me it seem he was seething with uncontrollable rage at those in that home. He wanted them to know he made good on his threats and I do think the threats and yelling coming from the home earlier was when the rage began to rise.

I believe the physical evidence they have is either the weapons he used or his bloody clothing. I also think there are witnesses that saw him when he thought no one did.

imo

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Hey OBE, I am posting the link for everyone to read about the 3 hour Grand Jury. Doering didn't hint at having testimonial he flat out said it.http://74.125.93.132/search?q=cache...+3+hours+of+evidence&cd=4&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

Thank you. I was talking about much earlier. I recall Doering telling the media not to presume that no one heard or saw anything.

Wow they sure must have a lot of evidence already for it to take the detective 3 hours to testify before the GJ. That is good to know. The DA sounds like a man committed to see justice is done for these victims no matter who has a differing opinion about the death penalty. But I have seen many DAs who will of course talk with the family but the DA really decides if it is a death penalty case depending on its heinousness and not family emotions.

 

[Soulmagent]

There are a lot of things about this case that do not add up. I have read over the 911 call transcript of the call made by the lady (property manager?)who was requested to call by Guy Jr., but never listened to the audio of it so the emotion (or lack thereof, as some people feel) relayed in the call is unknown to me. It's hard for me to wrap my head around this. In reading the transcript, I don't know whether I find it odd he phrased himself as, "I just got home" or "I got home just now" without any additional elaboration. Some people have pointed out that he seemed to be excessively trying to establish that he had not been back there prior to leaving the evening before. What does strike me as odd is it was a fairly large family and there were evidently other family members residing nearby (i.e. Tyler and the lady who's home the family congregated at that news reports said was a grandmother to some of the victims) so there was ample opportunity for Guy to have simply called up someone (say Tyler or the grandma) and gave them a reason to need to stop by the trailer and find the scene themselves. That is just one of the things about this case that is grating on me.

You really cant tell much from the transcript as it is a transcrib from an EDITED 911 recording. The unedited version seems to be gone. And the transcription is full of errors and misses out on alot of background crosstalk. To follow this case ,you must hear that tape. him saying he just got home 3 times in the 12 minute 911 call and did not seem excessive to me ,as twice he responded to a direct question.

Thank you. I was talking about much earlier. I recall Doering telling the media not to presume that no one heard or saw anything.

Wow they sure must have a lot of evidence already for it to take the detective 3 hours to testify before the GJ. That is good to know. The DA sounds like a man committed to see justice is done for these victims no matter who has a differing opinion about the death penalty. But I have seen many DAs who will of course talk with the family but the DA really decides if it is a death penalty case depending on its heinousness and not family emotions.

I disagree that they have alot of evidence,and the stuff from the labs is not even back yet. Who is to say all of it is admissable? I would think Bloody clothes by a reasonable jury would be tossed unless they found them someplace other then GuyJrs body and other then the trailer.And Blood splatter expert is called in. AS he was in the trailer and he was lived in trailer. He is expected to have DNA all over the place, and the crime itself was the most gruesome ,the LE had ever scene. It took over three hours to firgure out no one was shot and I am thinking it looked like a shooting due to blood splatter. The valentine Massacre pictures come to mind. I would of expected him to touch one or more of the bodies. His family is still supporting him and I am glad.All reports from friends and family say they were a close knit family. And with no arrest record at all. I find it hard to believe he snapped and did this to his "whole family'' Not that i dont think some people do I just dont think he did. I think they are going to have to move this trial if we are to believe he is getting a fair trial as Christys history in the court itself there lends itselfs to the possiable bais of the court system and community itself (IMO) AS in "those Tolers where nothing but trouble and ..e.t.c . As the media deemed it important to print their records. KWIM?