GA GA - Jenna Van Gelderen, 25, Atlanta, 18 Aug 2017 #1

[subie_climber]

What address is on her drivers license ?

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Parents address

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[monkeypants]

She would never tell us this address, we only found out through the P.I and the police. According to them she is on the lease. Prior we didn't know this and though she was just saying on a friend's couch according to what she had told us.

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So she is on the lease??? Then the roommate can't not let you in. Go get a police escort or the leasing office etc and go!!!!!! This is insanity. A welfare check should have been done at that apt as soon as it was known she wad missing.
I don't agree that LE bases their level of interest by the fact she is a prostitute or escort or whatever... they just do their job they don't prioritize based on anything.

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[MzOpinion8d]

There is absolutely no excuse for the police not checking her apartment to see if she was there. That should have been the FIRST thing they did! Get an attorney and start threatening lawsuits.

 

[All3Mine]

This is my first ever post-so forgive any errors.
Regarding not being able to search her apartment- has the landlord been contacted? When is her rent due? Maybe soon b/c it is the 1st of the month. I am an attorney and used to do criminal law (I'm a stay at home mom now). I wonder how police officers do safety checks? The landlord ought to be able to let you guys in. You can find property records online and then google them. The police can;t search somewhere without a warrant/probable cause- but the penalty is that you can't use any evidence found. It's not illegal per se. That's probably how police officers do safety checks.

 

[noseynellie]

The 11:30 p.m. "pocket dial" voice mail ... The fact she didn't answer could mean she was already avoiding this person.

Was there anything said, background noise, etc.?

This number leads to an alleged pimp/trafficker on Instagram. Can't believe this is reality today. Anyway, that Campbellton Rd area he is touting would be Atlanta PD Zone 4. Anyone from out of town, this is not a good area.

Her apartment is Atlanta PD Zone 2. Parents' house is DeKalb Co.

I'm wondering if they all know the players in this line of work and they share info on who is who. They have to, right?

Wvangelderen, I saw a FB post one day about her car possibly being spotted in July in another state. It's been removed so not sure if that was accurate but I think only things there are chicken processing plants, not much else to see. Has anyone checked back there? Was she just passing through?

This could cross state lines if trafficking.

If she willingly left to lead a life of prostitution, why do it when cat sitting at her parents house? And if this is her choice, why can't she make phone calls or buy things with her debit card?

Not to be corny but the squeaky wheel gets the grease. Extreme and unrelenting persistence is critical.


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[subie_climber]

The 11:30 p.m. "pocket dial" voice mail ... The fact she didn't answer could mean she was already avoiding this person.

Was there anything said, background noise, etc.?

This number leads to an alleged pimp/trafficker on Instagram. Can't believe this is reality today. Anyway, that Campbellton Rd area he is touting would be Atlanta PD Zone 4. Anyone from out of town, this is not a good area.

Her apartment is Atlanta PD Zone 2. Parents' house is DeKalb Co.

I'm wondering if they all know the players in this line of work and they share info on who is who. They have to, right?

Wvangelderen, I saw a FB post one day about her car possibly being spotted in July in another state. It's been removed so not sure if that was accurate but I think only things there are chicken processing plants, not much else to see. Has anyone checked back there? Was she just passing through?

This could cross state lines if trafficking.

If she willingly left to lead a life of prostitution, why do it when cat sitting at her parents house? And if this is her choice, why can't she make phone calls or buy things with her debit card?

Not to be corny but the squeaky wheel gets the grease. Extreme and unrelenting persistence is critical.


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She frequently went up to s.c to babysit for a friend . Have spoken to said friend several times and she is one of her best friends

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[Bently]

Imho...it appears LE seems to be acting as though Jenna staged this. I thought perhaps she may owe someone money.
Either way I hope she is found safe soon.
moo

Perhaps they are taking into account the original theft in February, the Marshall's office having a warrant for arrest in March and thinking fleeing now from ? :dunno: But a question to ask the police if that is influencing them, and have answered for sure.

It appears from our insider that the theft was from place of work, the charges were reduced. The court docs say nothing about reimbursement to the company (some courts will have that on the record, this one did not show such)

I'll link where y'all can see the court information.

http://justice.fultoncountyga.gov/PASupCrtCM/CaseDetail.aspx?CaseID=7400697 NOTE: The case says court plea on 8/21 (Monday after missing) but I have heard that this was settled prior and she didn't have to go on 21st.

http://arrestfiles.org/publicinfo/jenna-ruth-van-gelderen

My concern is her safety. :heartbeat:

 

[subie_climber]

The 11:30 p.m. "pocket dial" voice mail ... The fact she didn't answer could mean she was already avoiding this person.

Was there anything said, background noise, etc.?

This number leads to an alleged pimp/trafficker on Instagram. Can't believe this is reality today. Anyway, that Campbellton Rd area he is touting would be Atlanta PD Zone 4. Anyone from out of town, this is not a good area.

Her apartment is Atlanta PD Zone 2. Parents' house is DeKalb Co.

I'm wondering if they all know the players in this line of work and they share info on who is who. They have to, right?

Wvangelderen, I saw a FB post one day about her car possibly being spotted in July in another state. It's been removed so not sure if that was accurate but I think only things there are chicken processing plants, not much else to see. Has anyone checked back there? Was she just passing through?

This could cross state lines if trafficking.

If she willingly left to lead a life of prostitution, why do it when cat sitting at her parents house? And if this is her choice, why can't she make phone calls or buy things with her debit card?

Not to be corny but the squeaky wheel gets the grease. Extreme and unrelenting persistence is critical.


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We also do not know at all that she was prostituting, never actually confirmed only speculation from friends was given to.police

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[Bently]

This is my first ever post-so forgive any errors.
Regarding not being able to search her apartment- has the landlord been contacted? When is her rent due? Maybe soon b/c it is the 1st of the month. I am an attorney and used to do criminal law (I'm a stay at home mom now). I wonder how police officers do safety checks? The landlord ought to be able to let you guys in. You can find property records online and then google them. The police can;t search somewhere without a warrant/probable cause- but the penalty is that you can't use any evidence found. It's not illegal per se. That's probably how police officers do safety checks.

:wagon:

 

[noseynellie]

We also do not know at all that she was prostituting, never actually confirmed only speculation from friends was given to.police

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Wait, are these your quotes?


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[noseynellie]

Perhaps they are taking into account the original theft in February, the Marshall's office having a warrant for arrest in March and thinking fleeing now from ? :dunno: But a question to ask the police if that is influencing them, and have answered for sure.

It appears from our insider that the theft was from place of work, the charges were reduced. The court docs say nothing about reimbursement to the company (some courts will have that on the record, this one did not show such)

I'll link where y'all can see the court information.

http://justice.fultoncountyga.gov/PASupCrtCM/CaseDetail.aspx?CaseID=7400697 NOTE: The case says court plea on 8/21 (Monday after missing) but I have heard that this was settled prior and she didn't have to go on 21st.

http://arrestfiles.org/publicinfo/jenna-ruth-van-gelderen

My concern is her safety. :heartbeat:

Bently, do you think someone could've thought she'd go to court and mention who she was stealing for or the purpose for stealing? Could they have not known it was settled and that she didn't have to go?


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[LisaWL7TR]

This is my first ever post-so forgive any errors.
Regarding not being able to search her apartment- has the landlord been contacted? When is her rent due? Maybe soon b/c it is the 1st of the month. I am an attorney and used to do criminal law (I'm a stay at home mom now). I wonder how police officers do safety checks? The landlord ought to be able to let you guys in. You can find property records online and then google them. The police can;t search somewhere without a warrant/probable cause- but the penalty is that you can't use any evidence found. It's not illegal per se. That's probably how police officers do safety checks.

Welcome to Websleuths All3Mine.

 

[Bently]

Bently, do you think someone could've thought she'd go to court and mention who she was stealing for or the purpose for stealing? Could they have not known it was settled and that she didn't have to go?


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:thinking: Interesting thought for insiders/PI to consider perhaps :tyou: Again, with transparency, easier to come up with possibilities for consideration



http://justice.fultoncountyga.gov/PASupCrtCM/CaseDetail.aspx?CaseID=7400697

 

[Bit of hope]

Idea I had...she was to go to court, but it was nixed. Maybe she stole for somebody who didn't know that this was settled, he/she became afraid she would 'snitch' and did something to her....

 

[All3Mine]

Re: transparency- I'm curious as to all the hush-hush about her life. How she told her family she was sleeping on a couch but was on the lease. Was she just a private person? Was she high-functioning but need assistance and resisted/resented it? Although aren't we all in need of guidance at the age? My college roommate was just a private person and her parents drove her crazy-no judgment! I'm just curious. Do we even know where she was working? Retail wouldn't pay the rent alone.
This is just awful. I'm so sorry for the family. I hope you guys have gotten into the apartment. Her car will turn up any day-you can't hide a car for long/it won't remain unnoticed.

 

[monkeypants]

She frequently went up to s.c to babysit for a friend . Have spoken to said friend several times and she is one of her best friends

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If you are acquainted with Jenna you need to become a verified insider otherwise we have to assume your posts are rumor and they will get deleted.

 

[subie_climber]

If you are acquainted with Jenna you need to become a verified insider otherwise we have to assume your posts are rumor and they will get deleted.

It's still me, the brother I had my user name changed sorry...should have announced this morning

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[Bently]

Idea I had...she was to go to court, but it was nixed. Maybe she stole for somebody who didn't know that this was settled, he/she became afraid she would 'snitch' and did something to her....

I just recalled that the insider did mention being "framed" in the post below. Also, "framed" in the case, and the linen is missing leaving a "frame". Hmmm, with the timing of the plea which didn't happen on the 21st of August, 2 days after she went missing. (I'm sure the family verified this was a "mistake" on the court calendar for the 21st as the two of her attys are listed on the court cases, even if they didn't pay for them)

I think I'm going in circles now... good time to walk away for a bit

Definitely looking at this now from a trafficking stand point

She had a job back in Feb at the pet store but we found out through a friend she had been fired for theft at the store. Which is really not like her.
We found out large sums of money had been taken in total from various times from her register. She was arrested, and through the court case, we were able to have the sentence reduced to a misdemeanor. She would not tell us where the money went and that she was "framed" by a manager.
I am starting to think that maybe she did do this and paid one of these guys with the money.

She had been seeing a career coach / counselor every week as well to help get her on track to finding a new job and working with her mental illness / minor autism to help with work skills

Time line wise.
We know she left a friends place at 11pm friday to go home according to him
At 2 am (saturday) she sent a text to a friend saying she was laying down

I called at around 9:30 am and showed up at the house approx 10:30 am with the lights and tv still on

 

[monkeypants]

Honestly until someone gets into her apt or pings the phones etc there isn't anything for us to go on.

 

[Bently]

More coverage by the Jewish Times in the greater Atlanta area yesterday. The word is getting out, and this is a well done :moo: :cow: piece that also includes the Missing Pieces Network flyer. No new information, but a good short summary for sending out to folks.

http://atlantajewishtimes.timesofisrael.com/jewish-atlantan-25-missing-since-aug-19/

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