GA GA - Jenna Van Gelderen, 25, Atlanta, 18 Aug 2017 #1

[Shiressleuth]

Good point Stanly. I tried to do an ETA on my above post recognizing your comment, but we can only edit for 60 minutes.

That said....

I never have my front door key either with me on my key ring for the car. I don't need it. And if she or ??? was indeed driving her mothers car, I would assume the garage door opener was in the car... isn't it almost ALWAYS?

Many folks don't even go through their front door if they have a garage opener, nor keep the key.

That leads one to think now (based on your feedback :tyou is that this house is like many in the Atlanta metro area. Folks that live there do NOT go through their front door if the live there, and are driving to/fro every time they enter.


They drive into their garage to get into the house with a garage door opener, and leave the same way, and NEVER have a key to their front door when they are driving.

I myself do not also, and never thought of this angle!

:doh:


:tyou: as you are exactly right. The person who left perhaps had a garage door opener in her mothers car (assumption) to enter the house when driving mom's car.... with an opener and not a key, and the front door being locked is misleading to us? :dunno:

ETA: So if the mother's car was taken, her car was either in the driveway, in the garage (doubtful) or was gone also at the time?

More and more I'm inclined from what I follow on WS to pay $300 for a camera ..

I do hope that no one touched the car, and we aren't looking at another Heather Elvis case where the family moved the seat and touched the car

I'm afraid you've lost me. Are you talking about the mothers car? That was left at the house and Jenna's car is missing with Jenna. Are you asking if the mother's car has been checked over by FBI/LE? Good point if that is what you are thinking about? How do the family know that Jenna was even in her mother's car that night BTW?

 

[subie_climber]

Just a thought from all the cases I have followed. Are you ASSUMING she was driving and brought the car back, or do you have verifiable/in court prosecution type stuff that she drove home? Big difference in the two at this time as I perceive it.


You may not want to share, just asking if you have irrefutable that she indeed did come back home vs. assumption.

Good point ! We have been assuming she drove back. The driver seat on Mom's car was far forward which would make sense for her and passenger was pushed all the way back.

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[noseynellie]

We know she had to have brought my mom's car back to the house to switch to her car. We know she talked to a friend at around 130 to 2 am saying laying down. Which we assumed was at my parents place
I'm putting together a time line depending on what I can post now



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OK- we don't want you to share any info that might jeopardize anything. I tend to live up to my screen name here. Sorry! I was just thinking if she was last seen somewhere public (like that club you mentioned previously), it might jog the memory of someone who could've been there at the same time.

When she brought your mom's car back with a passenger, was that after she had been to all the places you could verify?

 

[subie_climber]

OK- we don't want you to share any info that might jeopardize anything. I tend to live up to my screen name here. Sorry! I was just thinking if she was last seen somewhere public (like that club you mentioned previously), it might jog the memory of someone who could've been there at the same time.

When she brought your mom's car back with a passenger, was that after she had been to all the places you could verify?

We believe so as a verified friend has spoken to her that night late around 1030 and he recalls her driving my mom's car

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[Bently]

Use the contact on that image. Any info can be given to that number. Extension 4 is the missing persons department. Investigator Winston is the one on the Case

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Does the FBI have a contact / phone? vs. Dekalb County?

 

[subie_climber]

Does the FBI have a contact / phone? vs. Dekalb County?

Don't know on that one, we have only been in contact with DeKalb PD and they work with FBI when needed. Last we know is that FBI was helping conduct interviews of friends

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[noseynellie]

We believe so as a verified friend has spoken to her that night late around 1030 and he recalls her driving my mom's car

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OK, gotcha. Where the deadbolts locked when you arrived Sat.?


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[subie_climber]

OK, gotcha. Was the deadbolt locked when you arrived Sat.?


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It was

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[Shiressleuth]

Don't know on that one, we have only been in contact with DeKalb PD and they work with FBI when needed. Last we know is that FBI was helping conduct interviews of friends

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So LE haven't fingerprinted anything? Neither the house nor car? Who is the friend who saw Jenna driving her mother's car at 1030 and where was that? Did the friend say who was with Jenna? I asked some other questions earlier about the suitcase, whether clothes had been packed and taken and whether the housing group had been contacted as well, that she had been in touch with. When did you last speak and/or see Jenna yourself to arrange the vet visit?

 

[specialkbeck]

Thank you @Bently and @Owl. I supposed I was assuming she administered the meds the rest of the week by herself and wondered what was different about Saturday morning. I missed those snippets in earlier threads. Thanks!

 

[Shiressleuth]

Good point ! We have been assuming she drove back. The driver seat on Mom's car was far forward which would make sense for her and passenger was pushed all the way back.

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You have been assuming but now you have a friend who witnessed her driving and a passenger with her. Has LE spoken with that friend to identify the passenger?

 

[Bently]

We believe so as a verified friend has spoken to her that night late around 1030 and he recalls her driving my mom's car

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If the person recalls driving the car, assume must have seen it. But the sentence before was "spoken to her around 10:30", so not sure of what time he recalls her driving the car. In other words, he perhaps saw her driving the car anytime that day, but spoke to her last at around 10:30, and was not the same person as was mentioned earlier/below?

Quote Originally Posted by subie_climber View Post
Definitely looking at this now from a trafficking stand point
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Time line wise.
We know she left a friends place at 11pm friday to go home according to him
At 2 am (saturday) she sent a text to a friend saying she was laying down

Quote Originally Posted by subie_climber View Post
She would never tell us. All we really know is that she had a friend that she saw last Friday the one she left at 11pm to go home . He claims she wanted a relationship but he did not knowing the theft issue.

A friend was able to confirm that she back in Feb was on and off with another guy who was violent , but again she would not tell us who and that it was done and never happening again .
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[Capebluff]

New article from today-FBI now joins the search for Jenna... https://patch.com/georgia/atlanta/f...ta-woman-who-went-missing-while-house-sitting

 

[noseynellie]

You have been assuming but now you have a friend who witnessed her driving and a passenger with her. Has LE spoken with that friend to identify the passenger?

I read this to mean passenger seat was pushed back so a person with long legs was sitting there. It seems like a male thing to do though I guess a tall girl could adjust the seat if Jenna's mom kept it moved up and it was uncomfortable. My mom's seats are practically at the dash level.

It doesn't sound like anyone actually saw her with a passenger.

Maybe this person was picked up after 10:30, if there were no sightings of her with anyone at any of the stops where she used her debit card during the day.

What happened after that?


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[Capebluff]

I read this to mean passenger seat was pushed back so a person with long legs was sitting there. It seems like a male thing to do though I guess a tall girl could adjust the seat if Jenna's mom kept it moved up and it was uncomfortable. My mom's seats are practically at the dash level.

It doesn't sound like anyone actually saw her with a passenger.

Maybe this person was picked up after 10:30, if there were no sightings of her with anyone at any of the stops where she used her debit card during the day.

What happened after that?


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In this updated flyer, it states an unidentified male was with her in her mothers car. How that info was retrieved, is unknown to me.

 

[noseynellie]

In this updated flyer, it states an unidentified male was with her in her mothers car. How that info was retrieved, is unknown to me.

If someone put eyes on a passenger, shouldn't there be a description beyond gender? Anything else would be helpful.


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[Capebluff]

If someone put eyes on a passenger, shouldn't there be a description beyond gender? Anything else would be helpful.


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I would say yes, absolutely! Age range, hair style, tall/short, build/weight, tattoos, beard, hair color, skin color, etc etc...also, the 'witness' who this information is coming from, surely would have noticed if Jenna was acting normal with this male or if she seemed to be in distress or afraid, etc. So. Many. Questions.

 

[K.jill]

I find myself thinking of A quote from my late friend Foxfire:

"The American public, analogous to a security camera across the landscape, is law enforcement's most valuable investigative resource..'When will they ever learn"?

 

[Stanly]

Im so confused [emoji54]

First Jenna left a friends house at 11 but now spoke to a friend at 10:30. She texted a friend at 2am to say she was lying down but now thats 1:30-2am. @subie you initially turned up at 10:30 but now thats 10am. All these details are very significant.

Nothing seems to add up here. And now i see the FBI are not fully involved.

I am hoping the lack of info provided by the police to the public is because they know whats happened, and they are on to him or them. That is usually the case. They just need evidence, a motive at least.

All gut feeling and my own opinions

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[Jennifer17]

Im so confused [emoji54]

First Jenna left a friends house at 11 but now spoke to a friend at 10:30. She texted a friend at 2am to say she was lying down but now thats 1:30-2am. @subie you initially turned up at 10:30 but now thats 10am. All these details are very significant.

Nothing seems to add up here. And now i see the FBI are not fully involved.

I am hoping the lack of info provided by the police to the public is because they know whats happened, and they are on to him or them. That is usually the case. They just need evidence, a motive at least.

All gut feeling and my own opinions

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I have gut feelings too. That is all that I will say.