GA - Katherine Janness, 40, fatally stabbed and dog killed, Piedmont Park, Atlanta, 28 Jul 2021 #3

[AzPistonsGirl]

so sad on so many levels... LE is working this case and we just have to respect that and be patient. IMO.

 

[Razz]

EXCLUSIVE: Partner of woman found slain in Piedmont Park pleads for APD to clear her name | News | cbs46.com

Perhaps I'm being niave but I can see where she could have (for whatever reason) had murderous rage for her partner, but not her dog. It just doesn't sound plausible.

 

[PrairieWind]

For those that missed it, you can see the video here.

EXCLUSIVE: Partner of the woman found slain with her dog in Piedmont Park speaks with CBS46

Emma said in this interview that she spent about 75% of the money raised on paying off her own debts and moving out of Midtown.

For those who didn't read the initial page on the well known website that raises money for people, the purpose of the donations changed from memorial and reward, to giving some of the money to Katie's mother, which wasn't mentioned in this interviewed aired on CBS tonight. That may well have happened with the 25% ? Instead in the video Emma states she used about 75% of the money, or about $59,000, for herself and her own debts.

(This in the interview at the CBS News link posted above).

She also said the police have not yet "cleared her name" publicly though it's implied they have done that to her personally and when CBS46 Atlanta asked the police why they haven't cleared Emma's name, the police responded with a statement that is in the interview. Pretty standard police statement that doesn't answer the question, IMO.

Emma's Dad also told CBS46 that the police found male DNA "on her" (on Katie) and that she had been sexually assaulted. That is brand new information. It begs the question to me of how that could all have happened in a 30-45 minute period of time with NO ONE seeing anything taking place: Murder the dog, sexually assault Katie, murder Katie. That's a lot of stuff happening not too far from a popular park's entrance when people were around. It only creates more questions in my mind.


MOO and some speculation

OH - here's a quote from the article linked to above:

"Clark used about 75 percent of the roughly $79,000 raised in the "Katie Gone Too Soon" ***** campaign to pay for her new condo, with the rest going towards Janess' funeral service and a charitable donation."

In the weeks after the killing I remember going through the videos and photos and maps and I had decided that there was really about a 15 minute window when the attack must have occurred. I can't now remember how I came up with that, might have to find time to go back through my thoughts. But you are right that an attack, kill the dog, assault, then kill Katie, and mutilate all right there near that gate with no one seeing is wild.

 

[PrairieWind]

It seems to me that there should be video or photos of Emma traveling to and entering the park.

 

[Shellinaya]

Snipped by me... it is a lot happening in a short time frame but it goes back to something I (and others) speculated about since the beginning. The park was known for people sometimes seeking sexual encounters in the dark, correct? People who used the park after hours may have been used to seeing or expecting to see sexual activity. They might not have been expecting to see nonconsensual activity or assault happening and they might not have known what they were seeing or wanted to look very closely.

To me it is no surprise that this murder had sexual assault components. Stabbing and mutilation, if the perpetrator is a stranger to the victim, is likely to have sexual motivation (see piquerism).

One of the many disturbing things about this is that a person who achieved sexual satisfaction from a murder like this is unlikely to just completely stop what he is doing of his own volition and there is a very good chance that there will be further victims of one kind or another (the type of acts he carries out during the murder may change as he experiments and evolves his fantasies, however, so the next crime may not be 100% like this one in every respect). All MOO.

I agree on whoever did this not stopping (and it probably wasn't their first murder) which is why I wish there was a definite suspect and someone behind bars already!

But I thought it was so strange that there was so much packed into about a half hour.

Also, consensual sex would produce a different looking action between people than a frantic struggle. I'm sure Katie at least struggled if she was being assaulted.... and there was the dog. How can someone see any of that and think it was remotely normal?

I hope police have some actual witnesses to the crime - someone must have seen something happening. They weren't even found very far into the park.

JMO

 

[Shellinaya]

In the weeks after the killing I remember going through the videos and photos and maps and I had decided that there was really about a 15 minute window when the attack must have occurred. I can't now remember how I came up with that, might have to find time to go back through my thoughts. But you are right that an attack, kill the dog, assault, then kill Katie, and mutilate all right there near that gate with no one seeing is wild.

Exactly. It's just too much happening in such a short time frame. Add to that if the body was moved. If not, it's still a very small window to do multiple horrible things with zero witnesses. And people walking in and out of the park during that time, either that murderer is the luckiest person on earth or somehow everything was perfectly timed.

JMO

 

[PrairieWind]

I agree on whoever did this not stopping (and it probably wasn't their first murder) which is why I wish there was a definite suspect and someone behind bars already!

But I thought it was so strange that there was so much packed into about a half hour.

Also, consensual sex would produce a different looking action between people than a frantic struggle. I'm sure Katie at least struggled if she was being assaulted.... and there was the dog. How can someone see any of that and think it was remotely normal?

I hope police have some actual witnesses to the crime - someone must have seen something happening. They weren't even found very far into the park.

JMO

As for a witness I keep thinking about the jogger. He goes in the gate about 12:46 and comes back out about 45 seconds later. We know the police did talk to him, apparently more than once. But we have not heard from him. I suspect the police have asked him to NOT talk to media. He either saw something, the dead dog, a struggle, or he saw nothing at all. All are very relevant. What he saw or didn't see is at a minimum very key to understanding a time line of the attack.

 

[Yemelyan]

I agree on whoever did this not stopping (and it probably wasn't their first murder) which is why I wish there was a definite suspect and someone behind bars already!

But I thought it was so strange that there was so much packed into about a half hour.

Also, consensual sex would produce a different looking action between people than a frantic struggle. I'm sure Katie at least struggled if she was being assaulted.... and there was the dog. How can someone see any of that and think it was remotely normal?

I hope police have some actual witnesses to the crime - someone must have seen something happening. They weren't even found very far into the park.

JMO

Not sure that anyone, had they observed what was happening, would have seen a "frantic struggle" - the sexual assault may have occurred after she was incapacitated on the ground or even already dead. My point was if you saw two people doing anything other than talking (let's say) you might avert your eyes, turn around and leave, you might not get a good look at what you were seeing - if you knew that sexual encounters routinely occurred there.

I think people way overestimate how long a sexual assault takes.

I agree, though, that there's a lot going on here with the murder, the assault, the mutilation, and the dog.

 

[Shellinaya]

As for a witness I keep thinking about the jogger. He goes in the gate about 12:46 and comes back out about 45 seconds later. We know the police did talk to him, apparently more than once. But we have not heard from him. I suspect the police have asked him to NOT talk to media. He either saw something, the dead dog, a struggle, or he saw nothing at all. All are very relevant. What he saw or didn't see is at a minimum very key to understanding a time line of the attack.

I think the jogger did see something, even if it was just people walking around. He might have seen the killer and not realized what he was seeing. And I wish there was a definite timeline of when things happened, in detail, after Katie left the restaurant where she saw Emma working, up to the point where Emma found her. I'm sure LE has such a timeline.

I also think there is some significance to the police not publicly clearing Emma. I wonder what the real reason for that is.

MOO

 

[dotr]

Exactly. It's just too much happening in such a short time frame. Add to that if the body was moved. If not, it's still a very small window to do multiple horrible things with zero witnesses. And people walking in and out of the park during that time, either that murderer is the luckiest person on earth or somehow everything was perfectly timed.

JMO

rbbm
Maybe it was more than one murderer?
A group blitz attack could cause significant damage in a short period of time.
imo, speculation.

On the other hand, the killer's ''murder moves'' could have been timed, rehearsed and staged for public display, speculation, imo.

 

[PrairieWind]

What time was the photo of Katie and the dog in the rainbow crosswalk? I can't find it now?

 

[Deleted member 298047]

What time was the photo of Katie and the dog in the rainbow crosswalk? I can't find it now?

12:09am she is shown crossing 10th headed north in direction of Carabu coffee
I have never understood this direction, time, reason

 

[Deleted member 298047]

did anyone else find the Clark interview on cbs46 bizarre in editing and commentary?

 

[Deleted member 298047]

It seems to me that there should be video or photos of Emma traveling to and entering the park.

Per Joe Clark -Emma is on video entering park at 1:08am initially he stated that she arrived at park at 12:57am but recanted that statement as having misspoke

 

[PrairieWind]

12:09am she is shown crossing 10th headed north in direction of Carabu coffee
I have never understood this direction, time, reason

Thanks. She is seen in that photo crossing 10th headed towards Piedmont park. Whether she continued to the park on 10th or up Piedmont seems to be unknown. But with a dog, it probably would have taken 10-15 minutes to get to where the attack occurred. So that would seem to indicate the attack could not have occurred before 12:20-12:25.

 

[Shellinaya]

Perhaps I'm being niave but I can see where she could have (for whatever reason) had murderous rage for her partner, but not her dog. It just doesn't sound plausible.

People do terrible things to their dogs all the time. It's in the news around here at least several times a year.
Some people starve, neglect, beat and torture their dogs. Unfortunately it happens.

We have no idea what type of person EC is to be honest. That's the thing about this case, even online, I have read so little about Emma, like people coming to her defense publicly. People say wonderful things about Katie, but the only person really saying positive things about Emma as a partner of Katie's is her father and her cousin who started the fund raiser. And maybe Katie's mother, who lives in Michigan. But I was really shocked when I found out that Katie's mother did not get some of the money that was raised because that was discussed by Emma in one of her interviews and on the fund raising page.

JMO

 

[PrairieWind]

Perhaps I'm being niave but I can see where she could have (for whatever reason) had murderous rage for her partner, but not her dog. It just doesn't sound plausible.

Since we don't know who killed Katie or why, everything is just speculation. But I suspect that the the dog was killed simply because he might have interfered with the attack on Katie. But if the attack was personal to Katie, anyone with that much hatred for her, may well have wanted to harm the dog simply because it was hers. Unfortunately, people can be pretty sick and cruel.

 

[ArmchairDefective]

Was there a soundtrack of creepy/suspenseful music added to the background? I thought there must be another video playing somewhere on my computer because it seemed really unprofessional for a news report to add dramatic music, but I do believe they overlaid it onto the video, which seems... I don't know, in poor taste? JMO

Edit: I don't think the quoted post showed up for some reason; I'm referring to the most recent interview with EC

 

[Shellinaya]

did anyone else find the Clark interview on cbs46 bizarre in editing and commentary?

Well, they are trying to package it as a "CBS46 Investigates" but it was enlightening to read the story that goes with the video because it contains more of the police statement:

When asked if they could clear Clark's name, APD released the following statement:

"The investigation into the murder of Katherine Janness remains open and very active. Our investigators continue working tirelessly to find the person(s) responsible. We understand it is frustrating for there to be so little information released publicly. However, to ensure the investigation isn't compromised, we simply cannot release much information on our active investigation. We know how important this case is to those in our communities and we will continue our work to bring this investigation to a resolution."

EXCLUSIVE: Partner of woman found slain in Piedmont Park pleads for APD to clear her name

So... the police are doing *something* and I would guess not just waiting for DNA. There must be leads they are following up on.

This brings something else to mind, do LE just ever watch a suspect for some time after a murder to see if they will do something else, and what would that be, another crime? a confession? Maybe that's what they're doing.

{JMO and speculation}

 

[Yemelyan]

This brings something else to mind, do LE just ever watch a suspect for some time after a murder to see if they will do something else, and what would that be, another crime? a confession? Maybe that's what they're doing.

{JMO and speculation}

Snipped by me...

If LE have enough evidence that they believe they can charge a person and successfully bring a case to trial, they won't wait to arrest the person, IMO. If they had all that, they would not wait to see if another murder occurs. If they don't have enough evidence, in the prosecutor's opinion, to bring a successful case, that's when they wait. However, the "waiting" is actually investigating and developing further evidence that can lead to charges, not just twiddling thumbs and seeing what the suspect does next. All MOO.