GA GA - Katherine Janness & Dog Bowie Fatally Stabbed - Piedmont Park, Atlanta, 28 July 2021 #5

[tbgo]

I wonder if the dog tried to bite someone and that set the entire thing in motion.

 

[PrairieWind]

I wonder if the dog tried to bite someone and that set the entire thing in motion.

I think that has been brought up before. That maybe this was about Bowie and something he did, sort of along those lines. Possible, I guess. But it really doesn't explain the degree of the attack and mutilation to Katie.

 

[Valiant]

I can't disagree with anything you just said.
How do you the killer enter and exit the park? We only have a few photos released by the APD of the gate cameras. I don't think any of them are the killer. Are there other photos we have not seen? Perhaps. Or perhaps the killer just entered and exited from some other area where there are no cameras.
I would still like to know what the APD learned from their interviews with the jogger seen on the video.

The park isn't fenced off despite the appearance the gateway might give.
You can really exist the park from the majority of the park's perimeter.

 

[mickey2942]

I can't disagree with anything you just said.
How do you the killer enter and exit the park? We only have a few photos released by the APD of the gate cameras. I don't think any of them are the killer. Are there other photos we have not seen? Perhaps. Or perhaps the killer just entered and exited from some other area where there are no cameras.
I would still like to know what the APD learned from their interviews with the jogger seen on the video.

Why not just lay low, change clothes, and clean up, and walk out whenever. Or leave through a separate area with out cameras? It wouldn't be hard. A well planned and executed attack, no problem.

BK in Idaho probably wouldn't have been caught if it hadn't been for the knife sheath left at the kill house, that tied him to the crime. One slip up.

 

[PrairieWind]

Why not just lay low, change clothes, and clean up, and walk out whenever. Or leave through a separate area with out cameras? It wouldn't be hard. A well planned and executed attack, no problem.

BK in Idaho probably wouldn't have been caught if it hadn't been for the knife sheath left at the kill house, that tied him to the crime. One slip up.

the killer was probably interrupted by the first caller. So he/she was very close. He/she probably watched the first response. They could not have waited too long though could they? I am not familiar with what the northern boundary of the park looks like, could they have fled there?

 

[Muddy K]

I'm going to leave poor Bowie out of these thoughts, since as far as I know, no cause of his death has ever been officially released.

I think the point where I veer away from believing that Katherine was murdered by some random, psychotic stranger who lost it one night in a dark park is around the personalization, the act of carving the word "fat" into Katherne's chest, and the time that took.

I can envision a frenzied cyclone of stabs raining down on Katherine's body - much as I could envision Kohberger's surging frenzy as he killed his four victims, only one of whom managed to fight back. But here, IMO, between abled-bodied Katherine, her dog, the possibility of passers-by in a public park, etc., the struggle must have intense, frenetic and noisy, albeit brief, until it wasn't. Once Katherine was down and dying/dead, I feel like most assailants would have fled the scene immediately, especially if the killing were spontaneous, the result of some kind of psychotic break.

The choice to carve the word "fat" into Katherine's body seems to have been important, because, IMO, every second the killer remained at the scene to accomplish that, the risk of discovery was exponentially increasing.

I'm not sure who the word referred to, Katherine or her killer, but the presence of it personalizes this murder, IMO.

 

[cujenn81]

the killer was probably interrupted by the first caller. So he/she was very close. He/she probably watched the first response. They could not have waited too long though could they? I am not familiar with what the northern boundary of the park looks like, could they have fled there?

The killer could have fled from anywhere really. The park isn’t walled off. There’s a short fence (maybe a tad bit taller than a standard bus bench) and some shrubbery in some areas, but those can be jumped easily. Other areas don’t even have that. And there are dozens of walking paths that branch off here and there that are used as entrance/exit points. It’s a huge park. I think it’s close to 200 acres or something like that.

 

[PrairieWind]

I'm going to leave poor Bowie out of these thoughts, since as far as I know, no cause of his death has ever been officially released.

I think the point where I veer away from believing that Katherine was murdered by some random, psychotic stranger who lost it one night in a dark park is around the personalization, the act of carving the word "fat" into Katherne's chest, and the time that took.

I can envision a frenzied cyclone of stabs raining down on Katherine's body - much as I could envision Kohberger's surging frenzy as he killed his four victims, only one of whom managed to fight back. But here, IMO, between abled-bodied Katherine, her dog, the possibility of passers-by in a public park, etc., the struggle must have intense, frenetic and noisy, albeit brief, until it wasn't. Once Katherine was down and dying/dead, I feel like most assailants would have fled the scene immediately, especially if the killing were spontaneous, the result of some kind of psychotic break.

The choice to carve the word "fat" into Katherine's body seems to have been important, because, IMO, every second the killer remained at the scene to accomplish that, the risk of discovery was exponentially increasing.

I'm not sure who the word referred to, Katherine or her killer, but the presence of it personalizes this murder, IMO.

I can respect your thoughts.
I don't know what to make of the carvings into her stomach that spell FA T. I don't see how we can leave out Bowie's death. It is critical here I feel. Who would target a woman with a pit bull and how would the pull it off? If the killer knew them both, the dog would be relaxed and could easily be killed. but who? and why? If it was targeted, there should be trails to follow.

 

[FonescaFan]

… Or just stash bloody clothes in a backpack, then exit anywhere in the shadows on a bike or scooter and head home fast— easy especially if the killer lived in midtown or other close neighborhood? I keep thinking about the lack of information released by LE— no phone data, no confirmed timeline, no statement about what the ‘headlamp jogger’ or the ‘wtf guy’ saw or didn’t see, etc (the autopsy was released by Fulton County Coroner office). Is it because they are building a case against a known person(s), or because they’re are no closer to solving the murders than they were on day 1??

 

[PrairieWind]

… Or just stash bloody clothes in a backpack, then exit anywhere in the shadows on a bike or scooter and head home fast— easy especially if the killer lived in midtown or other close neighborhood? I keep thinking about the lack of information released by LE— no phone data, no confirmed timeline, no statement about what the ‘headlamp jogger’ or the ‘wtf guy’ saw or didn’t see, etc (the autopsy was released by Fulton County Coroner office). Is it because they are building a case against a known person(s), or because they’re are no closer to solving the murders than they were on day 1??

I agree. There are lots of things not being answered here. Clearly the APD know a LOT more than is released. Why is more not released? They seem to know something but wont release it. Why? They have DNA but no match to it? Maybe. they have a suspect but no direct evidence? Maybe.
I want to know what the jogger and WTF guy saw.

 

[hooziewhutz]

I love seeing action in this thread, recently. <3

 

[mickey2942]

… Or just stash bloody clothes in a backpack, then exit anywhere in the shadows on a bike or scooter and head home fast— easy especially if the killer lived in midtown or other close neighborhood? I keep thinking about the lack of information released by LE— no phone data, no confirmed timeline, no statement about what the ‘headlamp jogger’ or the ‘wtf guy’ saw or didn’t see, etc (the autopsy was released by Fulton County Coroner office). Is it because they are building a case against a known person(s), or because they’re are no closer to solving the murders than they were on day 1??

It reminds me of the murder of Kiera Coles. She was pregnant with her married boyfriend's child. And, oh, how convenient that he moved to another state a week after her death.

He was not named a "POI" I guess, because there is zero evidence of her death. She just disappeared. No body, no evidence. That is the worst.

 

[waterslyd]

We really don't know much about the actual crime scene, apart from what has been released.

I am going to guess, if it was an acquaintance, he/she could easily have greeted KJ, and bent down to greet Bowie. At that time, slip a garrote over the dog's head, and choke the dog. KJ would have been in shock, as anyone would be, then out comes the knife. Done.

Wearing black, takes care of the blood at night. Walk away. Wearing black shoes, black stretch pants, black shirt, maybe put on a black jacket stashed. Put on a black watch cap. Look like any other joggers.

God, how awful. Rest in peace Katie & Bowie.

 

[TroyinTX]

I wonder if the dog tried to bite someone and that set the entire thing in motion.

Literally butchering a woman in a public park because her dog tried to bite you seems like a very unlikely and extreme reaction.

 

[tbgo]

Literally butchering a woman in a public park because her dog tried to bite you seems like a very unlikely and extreme reaction.

Her murder was an extreme reaction regardless. You aren’t dealing with a rational perp. They killed the dog too. It takes very little to set someone crazy off. Most people would avoid a dog but this person went after it too. The dog could have set the entire incident in motion.

 

[tbgo]

Double post.

 

[RoachRoundup]

This cold case in Atlanta deserves some attention. She was brutally cut to pieces along with her dog that desperately tried to fight off her attacker. This was in Piedmont Park in Atlanta. There was an un-housed group living in the park at night during that time. Last I heard when it happened, they were the main focus. Some said who ever did it got on a bus and left. That was rumors on the street during that time though. I'm not sure where the investigation has gone since then. The greyhound bus station is close to that area. Would have been the downtown location. I hope this helps draw the much needed attention. They deserve justice. In Plain Sight: Inside the unsolved Piedmont Park murder that shook Atlanta

 

[dotr]

This cold case in Atlanta deserves some attention. She was brutally cut to pieces along with her dog that desperately tried to fight off her attacker. This was in Piedmont Park in Atlanta. There was an un-housed group living in the park at night during that time. Last I heard when it happened, they were the main focus. Some said who ever did it got on a bus and left. That was rumors on the street during that time though. I'm not sure where the investigation has gone since then. The greyhound bus station is close to that area. Would have been the downtown location. I hope this helps draw the much needed attention. They deserve justice. In Plain Sight: Inside the unsolved Piedmont Park murder that shook Atlanta

Welcome to Ws @RoachRoundup, thanks for the insightful new article!
From link.. rbbm

Photograph courtesy of Paige Crawford
''Katie didn’t have a car, so the former girlfriend recalled that they would walk a lot. Katie “definitely had a street sense about her,” she said. When they walked at night near Piedmont and 10th, they’d always cross 10th Street so they wouldn’t have to walk in front of the park.

The girlfriend’s relationship with Katie lasted about four years. “Katie had a pretty nasty drinking problem, and I was not equipped to know how to support her, and we just completely grew apart,” she said. After the breakup, Katie “cut ties with a lot of friends. She kind of hit rock bottom. And a lot of people were like, We can’t help her anymore.”

 

[Little Jack]

I think someone who knew her would have spared the dog.

The only reason I can imagine someone who knew her also killing the dog would be if the dog attacked them trying to defend Katie. In which case the order of attack would have to be 1. Attack Katie then stop mid attack and 2. Kill the dog while katie flees then 3. Kill katie. I find this unlikely but possible I guess.

I just dont see anyone deciding to kill someone they know including in their plan to fight a dog. Just seems like something youd avoid if planning. The killing of the dog gives it a more spontaneous feel to me.

Having lived in that area I had interactions with unhoused people that frightened me.. there seemed a high percentage of severely mentally unwell people. One lady who banged on my car window and tried to open the handle as she screamed at me at a red light (she was often at that intersection, wandering through traffic. One time I saw her lying on her back in the middle of traffic.) Another time as I parked and stepped out of my car a man grabbed the door and started demanding money. When I said I had no cash he screamed an incoherent profanity laden tirade at me and followed me across the street into my office building where security intercepted him. It was a regular occurrence to be followed and threatened and berated if you did not give cash (or not as much cash as they wanted) in the midtown area where my coworkers and I walked on lunch break. This was in broad daylight with many people around also.

(That being said, I also had a very kind unhoused gentleman help me get my car of the street when my tire blew, and another guy would give you the traffic report every morning when you were stuck in traffic. Im not relaying the stories above to cast all unhoused persons in a negative light. I mean to point out however my own personal experience of interactions with severely mentally unwell and aggressive persons in that general area.)

All this is MOO of course and with the large grain of salt that I lived there 15 years ago. But tbe idea of a random person not in their right mind seems like a more likely explanation to me vs targeted attack involving the slaying of a dog.

 

[moonglow123]

Yeah, I figured a person maybe living in the park with mental issues was the perpetrator. Probably didn't personally know Katie, but maybe they'd seen her walking before. Probably having a mental break to stab her with such ferocity.

I could see other individuals living in the park, if they had seen anything, declining to report it due to being jaded with LE or not wanting to involve themselves in anything. Perp probably fled to a different city or area shortly after, like you said.

I just hope they recovered their DNA somehow and can test it or link it to someone one day...