GA GA - Katherine Janness & Dog Bowie Fatally Stabbed - Piedmont Park, Atlanta, 28 July 2021 #5

[tbgo]

I wonder if the dog tried to bite someone and that set the entire thing in motion.

 

[PrairieWind]

I wonder if the dog tried to bite someone and that set the entire thing in motion.

I think that has been brought up before. That maybe this was about Bowie and something he did, sort of along those lines. Possible, I guess. But it really doesn't explain the degree of the attack and mutilation to Katie.

 

[Valiant]

I can't disagree with anything you just said.
How do you the killer enter and exit the park? We only have a few photos released by the APD of the gate cameras. I don't think any of them are the killer. Are there other photos we have not seen? Perhaps. Or perhaps the killer just entered and exited from some other area where there are no cameras.
I would still like to know what the APD learned from their interviews with the jogger seen on the video.

The park isn't fenced off despite the appearance the gateway might give.
You can really exist the park from the majority of the park's perimeter.

 

[mickey2942]

I can't disagree with anything you just said.
How do you the killer enter and exit the park? We only have a few photos released by the APD of the gate cameras. I don't think any of them are the killer. Are there other photos we have not seen? Perhaps. Or perhaps the killer just entered and exited from some other area where there are no cameras.
I would still like to know what the APD learned from their interviews with the jogger seen on the video.

Why not just lay low, change clothes, and clean up, and walk out whenever. Or leave through a separate area with out cameras? It wouldn't be hard. A well planned and executed attack, no problem.

BK in Idaho probably wouldn't have been caught if it hadn't been for the knife sheath left at the kill house, that tied him to the crime. One slip up.

 

[PrairieWind]

Why not just lay low, change clothes, and clean up, and walk out whenever. Or leave through a separate area with out cameras? It wouldn't be hard. A well planned and executed attack, no problem.

BK in Idaho probably wouldn't have been caught if it hadn't been for the knife sheath left at the kill house, that tied him to the crime. One slip up.

the killer was probably interrupted by the first caller. So he/she was very close. He/she probably watched the first response. They could not have waited too long though could they? I am not familiar with what the northern boundary of the park looks like, could they have fled there?

 

[Muddy K]

I'm going to leave poor Bowie out of these thoughts, since as far as I know, no cause of his death has ever been officially released.

I think the point where I veer away from believing that Katherine was murdered by some random, psychotic stranger who lost it one night in a dark park is around the personalization, the act of carving the word "fat" into Katherne's chest, and the time that took.

I can envision a frenzied cyclone of stabs raining down on Katherine's body - much as I could envision Kohberger's surging frenzy as he killed his four victims, only one of whom managed to fight back. But here, IMO, between abled-bodied Katherine, her dog, the possibility of passers-by in a public park, etc., the struggle must have intense, frenetic and noisy, albeit brief, until it wasn't. Once Katherine was down and dying/dead, I feel like most assailants would have fled the scene immediately, especially if the killing were spontaneous, the result of some kind of psychotic break.

The choice to carve the word "fat" into Katherine's body seems to have been important, because, IMO, every second the killer remained at the scene to accomplish that, the risk of discovery was exponentially increasing.

I'm not sure who the word referred to, Katherine or her killer, but the presence of it personalizes this murder, IMO.

 

[cujenn81]

the killer was probably interrupted by the first caller. So he/she was very close. He/she probably watched the first response. They could not have waited too long though could they? I am not familiar with what the northern boundary of the park looks like, could they have fled there?

The killer could have fled from anywhere really. The park isn’t walled off. There’s a short fence (maybe a tad bit taller than a standard bus bench) and some shrubbery in some areas, but those can be jumped easily. Other areas don’t even have that. And there are dozens of walking paths that branch off here and there that are used as entrance/exit points. It’s a huge park. I think it’s close to 200 acres or something like that.

 

[PrairieWind]

I'm going to leave poor Bowie out of these thoughts, since as far as I know, no cause of his death has ever been officially released.

I think the point where I veer away from believing that Katherine was murdered by some random, psychotic stranger who lost it one night in a dark park is around the personalization, the act of carving the word "fat" into Katherne's chest, and the time that took.

I can envision a frenzied cyclone of stabs raining down on Katherine's body - much as I could envision Kohberger's surging frenzy as he killed his four victims, only one of whom managed to fight back. But here, IMO, between abled-bodied Katherine, her dog, the possibility of passers-by in a public park, etc., the struggle must have intense, frenetic and noisy, albeit brief, until it wasn't. Once Katherine was down and dying/dead, I feel like most assailants would have fled the scene immediately, especially if the killing were spontaneous, the result of some kind of psychotic break.

The choice to carve the word "fat" into Katherine's body seems to have been important, because, IMO, every second the killer remained at the scene to accomplish that, the risk of discovery was exponentially increasing.

I'm not sure who the word referred to, Katherine or her killer, but the presence of it personalizes this murder, IMO.

I can respect your thoughts.
I don't know what to make of the carvings into her stomach that spell FA T. I don't see how we can leave out Bowie's death. It is critical here I feel. Who would target a woman with a pit bull and how would the pull it off? If the killer knew them both, the dog would be relaxed and could easily be killed. but who? and why? If it was targeted, there should be trails to follow.

 

[FonescaFan]

… Or just stash bloody clothes in a backpack, then exit anywhere in the shadows on a bike or scooter and head home fast— easy especially if the killer lived in midtown or other close neighborhood? I keep thinking about the lack of information released by LE— no phone data, no confirmed timeline, no statement about what the ‘headlamp jogger’ or the ‘wtf guy’ saw or didn’t see, etc (the autopsy was released by Fulton County Coroner office). Is it because they are building a case against a known person(s), or because they’re are no closer to solving the murders than they were on day 1??

 

[PrairieWind]

… Or just stash bloody clothes in a backpack, then exit anywhere in the shadows on a bike or scooter and head home fast— easy especially if the killer lived in midtown or other close neighborhood? I keep thinking about the lack of information released by LE— no phone data, no confirmed timeline, no statement about what the ‘headlamp jogger’ or the ‘wtf guy’ saw or didn’t see, etc (the autopsy was released by Fulton County Coroner office). Is it because they are building a case against a known person(s), or because they’re are no closer to solving the murders than they were on day 1??

I agree. There are lots of things not being answered here. Clearly the APD know a LOT more than is released. Why is more not released? They seem to know something but wont release it. Why? They have DNA but no match to it? Maybe. they have a suspect but no direct evidence? Maybe.
I want to know what the jogger and WTF guy saw.

 

[hooziewhutz]

I love seeing action in this thread, recently. <3

 

[mickey2942]

… Or just stash bloody clothes in a backpack, then exit anywhere in the shadows on a bike or scooter and head home fast— easy especially if the killer lived in midtown or other close neighborhood? I keep thinking about the lack of information released by LE— no phone data, no confirmed timeline, no statement about what the ‘headlamp jogger’ or the ‘wtf guy’ saw or didn’t see, etc (the autopsy was released by Fulton County Coroner office). Is it because they are building a case against a known person(s), or because they’re are no closer to solving the murders than they were on day 1??

It reminds me of the murder of Kiera Coles. She was pregnant with her married boyfriend's child. And, oh, how convenient that he moved to another state a week after her death.

He was not named a "POI" I guess, because there is zero evidence of her death. She just disappeared. No body, no evidence. That is the worst.