GA - Kendrick Johnson, 17, Suspicious Death, Jan. 10/11, 2013, #1

[Karmady]

I just want to see a reenactment


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I haven't clicked on the link, but I'm pretty sure there was one done and is linked above

 

[flourish]

Wow, when the case first started Attorney King sent the Johnsons into the school with a letter telling them to release the videos to CNN. The man has :moo::moo:

Leigh Touchton interview - she bought the entire case file so has a ton of information. She also sort of clears up the EMT question.

She said she would never give an interview to CNN because of the way they are parsing the information.

She speaks to the difference between the Medical Examiner for the State and a private Pathologist.

If you really are interested in the facts of Kendrick Johnson case, this interview is a must. Thanks to momrids6

This is where the reenactment is discussed and/or shown, I do believe.

 

[Linda7NJ]

This is where the reenactment is discussed and/or shown, I do believe.

I can't find it


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[flourish]

I can't find it


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Aw, dang...sorry about that :blush:

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[pearl]

So? Should his family have paid locker fees but not gym shoes to keep in it, or use for gym? Do we even know specifically why KJ didn't pay for a locker? Could the family not afford it? Did his parents give him money for locker fees and he spent out on something else?

My question about the locker fees is why aren't lockers just provided for students as part of school?

I taught middle school in GA for 31 years. Legally, a writing implement and notebook paper are the only supplies a school can require a student to provide for himself or herself. If a teacher tells students they must have something else for the class, such as colored pencils, that teacher must have plans to provide colored pencils to those students who do not bring their own. The beginning-of-school supply list is only a wish list really. Believe it or not, school lockers are often a source of contention. Older schools often have free standing locker racks in the halls. Newer schools will have built-in lockers with changeable combinations. Lockers weren't required for students to use. Often, a school will not have enough lockers for its total number of students. Schools sometimes charge a fee to use a locker for a school year. The fee is intended to deter abuse and destruction of the lockers and to offset the cost of changing the combinations each year. At the old middle school where I taught, there were free standing locker racks in the halls. Each homeroom was assigned a section of lockers. Students could use the lockers for free with or without a combination lock. After the shootings at the high school in Colorado in the 1990s, our board of education decided that all locks on campus be accessible by one master key due to safety reasons. The school ordered combination locks from the Master Lock company and paid $3.50 per lock. The students had to get a school lock if they wanted to use one. At the end of the year, the lock could be turned in along with its combination for a refund of $3.50.

 

[al66pine]

Pearl

Thx for taking time to explain about the lockers.

I wondered whether some students would have lockers w. the combination lock,
but still use another hidey-hole (like gym mats, library or other student-accessible place on campus) to stash some of their books or supplies, or personal gear, simply for the sake of convenience, depending on proximity to certain classroooms.

And thanks for teaching over the years. The world is a much better place because of teachers like you.

 

[pearl]

Pearl

Thx for taking time to explain about the lockers.

I wondered whether some students would have lockers w. the combination lock,
but still use another hidey-hole (like gym mats, library or other student-accessible place on campus) to stash some of their books or supplies, or personal gear, simply for the sake of convenience, depending on proximity to certain classroooms.

And thanks for teaching over the years. The world is a much better place because of teachers like you.

I found students to be like the proverbial pack rat. If there is a hidey-hole anywhere, some student will find it and use it to stow things. In our new school, some boys were climbing on toilets, pushing up ceiling tiles, and stowing books, clothes, etc in the ceiling. As far as liability goes, how could we ever imagine that a student would climb on a toilet and reach for the ceiling? Legally, the school would be held liable if he hurt himself doing it. Who would have ever thought a student would fall into a gym mat and suffocate? I had a student ask me if he could use the small space between the back of a bookshelf in my room and the wall to store his textbooks. He said he could stuff them one by one sideways. Another student used the floor behind an artificial tree in the main office.

 

[iSleuth]

Not to be gruesome, but being buried in sand in an arid climate, especially, actually preserves a body. Check the discussion of this in the Adrienne Salinas thread by peeps familiar with desert dwelling. No comparison to positional asphyxiation - especially in the upside down position.

jmo

Honduras is not arid

 

[redheadedgal]

Honduras is not arid

actually, if one googles "honduras arid", the search results include numerous references to "arid" regions within the country

 

[vlpate]

This is where the reenactment is discussed and/or shown, I do believe.

It's not actually a reenactment, just a wrestler and another guy testing out the part of the case they knew at the time. They even admit they didn't know the complete details. Two things stood out - how hot the guy got after only a couple of minutes, and the fact that you could barely hear him when he was yelling for help from inside the mat.

 

[vlpate]

I'm guessing the locker fee is for maintenance/vandalism. The fee is $10. A pair of canvas converse cost about $30-50. Leather brand names cost much more. No, we don't know specifically if he had a locker. He may have just kept his gym shoes there because it was more convenient. But the msm stories say that's why a number of students did that.

If it were my dd I'd guess I gave her the ten bucks and she spent it on something else. My ds would have paid the locker fee. So who knows.

jmo

His mother actually admitted he didn't have a locker:

Kenneth and Jackie Johnson, Kendrick's parents, told Grantland that although their son did not have a locker, they never believed the investigation's version of events.

 

[vlpate]

Just stumbled across this very apropos post here about deblurring software.

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Unblurring Images Using Free SmartDeblur App

FERPA and Surveillance Cameras
School cameras are typically placed in areas that do not infringe on students’ right to
privacy, such as classrooms, hallways, common areas, and building perimeters. However,
recent reports of cameras in bathrooms have sparked a debate over the appropriate balance
between student privacy rights and the need for school security. While FERPA does not
specifically address this issue, school systems should have a surveillance camera policy outlining the rights and responsibilities of students, teachers, administrators, and other
school staff. As a best practice, the policy should include the following:
• a clear statement of appropriate reasons for using surveillance cameras;
• the role and responsibilities of individuals with access to the cameras;
• who will have access to any footage;
• how long will any footage be kept and how will it be destroyed; and
• a consent provision.
For FERPA purposes, surveillance videotapes (or other media) with information about a
specific student are considered education records if they are kept and maintained by the
school system. If the school’s law enforcement unit controls the cameras/videos and it
is doing the surveillance for safety reasons, the ensuing videos would be considered law
enforcement, rather than education, records. As soon as school officials use them for
discipline purposes, however, the tapes become education records and are subject to
FERPA requirements.

Also, Crump made mention of school bus footage being ok, so why not surveillance video - of course he knows the answer to his own question, but the rest of us had to look:


Clear as mud? :truce:

 

[SyraKelly]

didn't I read somewhere there were 2 cameras in this gym,by both doors?

 

[vlpate]

Maybe the guidance counselor was on the phone with the media?

Unless it took the Sheriff's department two hours to get to the school, Jackie is mistaken with her timeline:

"At 10:35 a.m., officers from the sheriff's department arrived. Soon, more followed. They canvassed the scene and began taking photos." (from Alpine's article)

LOL Karmady, I just got what you wrote. That's the thing, if she learned from the media, but she was at the school....?

I have a question, are missing persons reports sent out in less than 24 hours for 17 yr. olds? I honestly don't have a clue.

Same link: "A missing person report went out.."

 

[vlpate]

didn't I read somewhere there were 2 cameras in this gym,by both doors?

Probably two at each door. Crump and Co. are making it sound as if there were cameras pointed directly at the corner where Kendrick died - which is not the case.<modsnip> .

 

[gxm]

didn't I read somewhere there were 2 cameras in this gym,by both doors?

That's what I recall; both doors had cameras. KJ was seen entering but not seen leaving.

 

[Karmady]

It's not actually a reenactment, just a wrestler and another guy testing out the part of the case they knew at the time. They even admit they didn't know the complete details. Two things stood out - how hot the guy got after only a couple of minutes, and the fact that you could barely hear him when he was yelling for help from inside the mat.

Thanks for correcting me! No idea why I said "we" don't know. Should have said *I* don't know and hadn't seen it posted here.

 

[Karmady]

It's not actually a reenactment, just a wrestler and another guy testing out the part of the case they knew at the time. They even admit they didn't know the complete details. Two things stood out - how hot the guy got after only a couple of minutes, and the fact that you could barely hear him when he was yelling for help from inside the mat.

I saw it and it was amazing how he was glistening in sweat being in there only a very short time. The other thing I noticed was that he was kicking his feet like a crazy person, so maybe that is how the shoes found in the mat came off. Especially if they were already unlaced. That's all the poor kid could move according to the reenactor dude. He looked very shaken up just having been in there 10-15 seconds. Terrible!

 

[Shlock Homes]

So? Should his family have paid locker fees but not gym shoes to keep in it, or use for gym? Do we even know specifically why KJ didn't pay for a locker? Could the family not afford it? Did his parents give him money for locker fees and he spent out on something else?

My question about the locker fees is why aren't lockers just provided for students as part of school?

Yes, what makes perfect sense to us as adults, using the money for a locker, might not be the same for a teen who doesn't earn any money. If he's given $10 for a locker, he might just easily stick his shoes in some mats like he's always done and spend that money somewhere else.

My original post just suggested if they really wanted a reason to sue the school, it would probably be something like that.

But in the end, this looks more like a freak accident than negligence on the part of the school.

With regards to sticking an unconscious person or someone resisting, into a mat, I agree it would be really hard to do. Especially if they say the width of the hole was something like 14inches and Kendrick had 19 inch shoulders. He himself, consciously entering that mat, could adjust and shift his upper body until was able to reach in. The problem is, if you go beyond a certain point, you're stuck. If he waist and legs were still outside of the mat, he'd have a better chance of getting himself out. If he was almost full body into the mat, then he's toast. He wouldn't have the arm room to push or pull himself out or to move around at all, especially when the mat was being held in place by many other vertically placed mats.

 

[vlpate]

I saw it and it was amazing how he was glistening in sweat being in there only a very short time. The other thing I noticed was that he was kicking his feet like a crazy person, so maybe that is how the shoes found in the mat came off. Especially if they were already unlaced. That's all the poor kid could move according to the reenactor dude. He looked very shaken up just having been in there 10-15 seconds. Terrible!

I know, that's why it was so hard to watch. Even further telling that he was unable to make the mat fall by kicking. There was no hope whatsoever with the mat placed in the middle of the others. I really do think part of the mother's motivation is to try and find another, less horrific way, to think about her son's last moments.