GA - Kendrick Johnson, 17, Suspicious Death, Jan. 10/11, 2013, #2

[redheadedgal]

This is a most won't. How do I know that? Because I have never heard of this kind of death before ever.

b/c one has "never heard" of a way to die, does not rule it impossible; there are numerous websites that document what the link below does... many i've never heard of:

Truly bizarre and strange ways to die

http://socyberty.com/death/truly-bizarre-and-strange-ways-to-die/


and he didn't go down the tube face first...

"... (and) had his arms extended trying to reach down and slipped and could not get out,"

http://www.actionnewsjax.com/news/s...-accidental-death/6obve0H-IEiTs0Plu-YvVg.cspx

 

[gxm]

I don't think what KJ did was "irrational." I think he just misjudged the length of his reach and fell in farther than he expected. Not "stupid" or "irrational," just simple misjudgment with a horrific outcome. Misjudgments resulting in an accident are fairly common, and can often end in a fatality.

When I first started following this case, I thought there was the chance that it could have been a prank gone wrong but, based on the evidence, I believe LE and GBI came to the logical conclusion that this was a terrible accident and not a murder.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

b/c one has "never heard" of a way to die, does not rule it impossible; there are numerous websites that document what the link below does... many i've never heard of:



http://socyberty.com/death/truly-bizarre-and-strange-ways-to-die/


and he didn't go down the tube face first...



http://www.actionnewsjax.com/news/s...-accidental-death/6obve0H-IEiTs0Plu-YvVg.cspx

""I believe that Kendrick lost a shoe that fell down in the center of this mat. He went down to try to get it ... (and) had his arms extended trying to reach down and slipped and could not get out," Sperry said.
"

Your link.. That is going in head first. His arm may have been in front of him but head first not feet first.
And that medical examiner has been disputed by another autopsy and report.
Let me be more specific. NO high school kid has been found in a rolled up standing mat face first dead in the mat. If so there would be more stories, a call to action about mats.
This is something odd and very rare. And because it is so rare, one has to deduce it is because People just don't do this. Or there would be more deaths in this exact manner.

There is no way he thought he could reach 6 ft to the ground. He still would have had to crawl in head first.

 

[vlpate]

Completely true however there are things that some people will try and most won't. This is a most won't. How do I know that? Because I have never heard of this kind of death before ever.

It is just impossible to go down a tube face first 6 feet to the ground, Sliding in when your shoulders are wider than the mat, and then back up and out.

It is impossible.

Have you ever heard of anyone getting stuck in a chimney because they thought it a good way to get into a house without keys?

Just because we've never heard of it doesn't mean it didn't happen.

The young man who was stuck in the Utah cave had just as broad shoulders and only a 10" opening....not at all impossible.

Then there's this kid who clearly says he knew it was a tight fit but he figured if he got in, he could get out...which he finally did, but he could not have backed out, no way. Even more disturbing - the other teens are jumping on him while he is clearly panicked and trying to free himself from the mat.

Probably the most conducive example of "oh yes they would" is this girl stuck in the exact type and size mat KJ was stuck in. KJ, however, was going after a shoe, what was her excuse - just teen curiosity, sans fear? See how she tries to cool down after she is helped out. What I don't understand, not one of these kids unroll the mat, which seems the easiest way to release the captive teen.

One more teen thought it a good idea, and this mat is also the kind KJ got stuck in.

 

[gxm]

""I believe that Kendrick lost a shoe that fell down in the center of this mat. He went down to try to get it ... (and) had his arms extended trying to reach down and slipped and could not get out," Sperry said.
"

Your link.. That is going in head first. His arm may have been in front of him but head first not feet first.
And that medical examiner has been disputed by another autopsy and report.
Let me be more specific. NO high school kid has been found in a rolled up standing mat face first dead in the mat. If so there would be more stories, a call to action about mats.
This is something odd and very rare. And because it is so rare, one has to deduce it is because People just don't do this. Or there would be more deaths in this exact manner.

There is no way he thought he could reach 6 ft to the ground. He still would have had to crawl in head first.

BBM.

KJ was 5' 10". I don't know what his arm length was but it was probably somewhere around 30" which easily gave him a long enough reach for him to assume that he could grab his shoes. IMO, he slipped at some point and got stuck. IOW, I don't think the problem was that he couldn't reach his shoes. IMO, the problem was that he lost his balance and fell deeper than he intended. JMO. OMO. MOO.

 

[vlpate]

Completely true however there are things that some people will try and most won't. This is a most won't. How do I know that? Because I have never heard of this kind of death before ever.

It is just impossible to go down a tube face first 6 feet to the ground, Sliding in when your shoulders are wider than the mat, and then back up and out.

It is impossible.

Ooops, I forgot to add...he didn't go down "face first". His arm (right, I believe) was up and bent toward his head, so he appears to have been going in arm first. Now I will absolutely give you that if he was stuck with arms by his side, I'd be all over foul play, but that's not the case.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

Ooops, I forgot to add...he didn't go down "face first". His arm (right, I believe) was up and bent toward his head, so he appears to have been going in arm first. Now I will absolutely give you that if he was stuck with arms by his side, I'd be all over foul play, but that's not the case.

That is still head first. Maybe he at some point got his arm above him after wiggling around. We have no idea how his arm got the way it did.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

BBM.

KJ was 5' 10". I don't know what his arm length was but it was probably somewhere around 30" which easily gave him a long enough reach for him to assume that he could grab his shoes. IMO, he slipped at some point and got stuck. IOW, I don't think the problem was that he couldn't reach his shoes. IMO, the problem was that he lost his balance and fell deeper than he intended. JMO. OMO. MOO.

No way. 30 inches is not 6 ft to the floor. I am not too much shorter than him. From the top of my shoulder to my middle finger I am 30 inches. I know my limitations. If I sit at the chair here I can not touch the floor. If I peered in a hole and saw my shoes at the bottom of the 6 ft hole, I know I can not reach it without getting my whole body in that hole and then how am I backing out?? Im not.. Not alone.

I don't think he went in willingly, And even if he did as people seem to think, I don't think he did that alone. I think the only reason he went in if he did on his own is because he thought someone there was going to help him.

 

[BeginnersLuck]

This is what I picture when he's reaching for the shoe. He is up on the mat with his right arm extended and he is bracing himself with his left hand on the top of the mat. He keeps trying to reach deeper for the shoe and inserts the upper portion of his body in the mat, still holding on with the left hand. Remember his arm gives him 2-3 more feet of reach. He ends up loosing his grip with his left hand.

He is found with his right arm in front of his face, which is how he would have ended up, if he were reaching for the shoe. His left arm was at his side bent toward the back. That's the position I would expect his left arm to be in, if he lost his grip with his left hand and fell in.

It appears he's in a hurry as he runs across the gym towards the mats in the video. He most likely was rushing to get the shoe also and getting frustrated. He may not have had enough time to go ask for help, or move mats, etc. and all he was focused on was getting to class. Rushing can end up in accidents happening because your not really thinking, your in a hurry.

Now, it can be argued as some have suggested, that as he was reaching for the shoe someone horsing around, pushed him in and just left him there. The video tapes, should have revealed any persons that were in the gym for the minutes that this happened. The investigators have stated they have questioned everyone and verified the whereabouts of the people that the parents suspect.

There are thousands of pages of reports and hours of video. Many, many hours have been put into the investigation. Unless someone admits that they pushed Kendrick in the mat as some have speculated, then I don't see how the parents have a case for murder. I don't see anything that a prosecutor would take to trial.

I don't see all these things that the attorneys and others are stating as having any basis of fact or evidence. I see a lot of emotion and a lot of reaching that is taking away focus from facts and evidence. The accusations of this being a racist crime, a coverup and the flat out naming of minors killing Kendrick, that were found not to be present at the location during that time period, IMO are unfounded.

 

[vlpate]

Sorry but that is just your take on it. No one knows what he was thinking or what he did that day.

There is no way that KJ was going in there 6 feet to the bottom, upside down and thinking he was going to be able to back out,

BEM
Actually it is the Sheriff's department and the GBI's take on it as well.

Three kids that knew K.J. said they kept their shoes under the mats because they didn’t have a locker

The mats are usually on their sides. The kids would normally just lean in, pick the shoes out and change.

During Christmas break, all of the mats had been moved and stored vertically. So a mat that may have rested on top of a horizontal stack was now at the back of the bunch after they were turned vertically.

When the Coach flipped the mats over, a shoe and some of Kendrick’s books slid off the top of the mat.

It is not known if he retrieved one shoe and went for the second, but the one shoe and his books all landed in the same area - there are crime scene photographs. The sheriff says nothing was touched.

JMO

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

BEM
Actually it is the Sheriff's department and the GBI's take on it as well.



JMO

To be honest my first thought is that someone else put it all there after..
I think had it been in the mats when they were pushed vertical it all would have been found prior to that.

 

[Yoda]

*****+Warning second photo is graphic photo*****

First photo is KJ's dad lying next to mat. Mat is shorter then I thought.Jmo

Second photo is of KJ after being removed from mat.

http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/ikOTD9Urh0A/hqdefault.jpg

 

[Yoda]

New footage released

http://www.cnn.com/2013/11/06/us/georgia-gym-mat-death/

 

[Kimberlyd125]

*****+Warning second photo is graphic photo*****

First photo is KJ's dad lying next to mat. Mat is shorter then I thought.Jmo

Second photo is of KJ after being removed from mat.

I agree! Much shorter than I was thinking.

Poor Kendrick. I can't imagine the fear he faced being stuck in that mat.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

*****+Warning second photo is graphic photo*****

First photo is KJ's dad lying next to mat. Mat is shorter then I thought.Jmo

Second photo is of KJ after being removed from mat.

And the more I see it the more I think it is just not realistic to think he would think he could reach from the top 6 ft down and grab the shoe.

 

[vlpate]

To be honest my first thought is that someone else put it all there after..
I think had it been in the mats when they were pushed vertical it all would have been found prior to that.

All? Only his one black/white NIKE shoe and the pair of Griffins he wore into the gym were found in the mat. His books he had with him when he entered the gym.

Actually he could have put his shoes on top of the mats that morning or the day before and one fell in. I find it hard to believe he retrieved one and then went after another. The shoes, size 9.5 IIRC, would easily slide to the bottom of a 14" opening so it's not like one would have been stuck halfway down.

It would be great to find a snag, something to change my view even a little, but there's just no evidence of foul play. JMO

 

[Yoda]

All? Only his one black/white NIKE shoe and the pair of Griffins he wore into the gym were found in the mat. His books he had with him when he entered the gym.

Actually he could have put his shoes on top of the mats that morning or the day before and one fell in. I find it hard to believe he retrieved one and then went after another. The shoes, size 9.5 IIRC, would easily slide to the bottom of a 14" opening so it's not like one would have been stuck halfway down.

It would be great to find a snag, something to change my view even a little, but there's just no evidence of foul play. JMO

One shoe is to the left in this photo. The other, I assume, is behind the mat KJ is in.

 

[vlpate]

New footage released

http://www.cnn.com/2013/11/06/us/georgia-gym-mat-death/

Never once do VB or AC mention that the cameras are motion activated..IOW, the time lapse will not show zero activity.

 

[Linda7NJ]

New footage released

http://www.cnn.com/2013/11/06/us/georgia-gym-mat-death/

Wow... Like the guy said... More questions than answers.


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[BeginnersLuck]

One shoe is to the left in this photo. The other, I assume, is behind the mat KJ is in.

This picture has always confused me, because it appears that the end of the mat where his head is, is pushed up against the wall.

His other shoe could have easily got over there, from them tossing the mats when trying to get to him.