GA - Kendrick Johnson, 17, Suspicious Death, Jan. 10/11, 2013, #2

[ScarlettScarpetta]

If, according to Scarlett's scenario, someone threw the shoe in, would it not stand to reason KJ would then go in to retrieve it?

Facts:
KJ routinely hid his shoes in the mat which would logically lead to
KJ routinely retrieved his shoes from the matsDeduction not fact
No one in the gym after KJ entered saw anything - a group came in 10 minutes after
KJ was never seen exiting the gym

Fact . He was found in a rolled up cheer leading mat with the shoes he was known to own and hide in the mats.

Short of an alternatine Universe or a mass cover up, there's just no other explanation. IMO

Where did the information come from? I would like to know what routinely means specific to this case?
Do you deduce that he routinely went diving for sneakers in the mats?

I think there are many options here. At least at this point. This case is such a mire.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

This is wrong! So wrong! JMO
" Gym mat boy's father points finger at football teammate: Claims son who mysteriously died was 'bullied by another teen'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...y-died-rolled-gym-mat-claims-bullied-boy.html

Yes! It is wrong. With all the hype and misinformation of this case, when this child ends up dead as some sort of retaliation, who will be responsible????

This is ridiculous.

From your link:

Sheriff in Lowndes County, Georgia, confirmed the incident was investigated but told MailOnline they found no evidence the boy was linked to his death


Also:

‘See, so much of this is the sheriff and the good ol’ boy system,’ Mr Johnson said. ‘But they ran up on the wrong family. They can’t put no fear in us and I’ve never been afraid of a man in my life.’

 

[EmiLove832]

They were stored that way at Christmas break. They were just back from break, IIRC

No kids were playing basketball in the gym before or when he got there, no one disputes that except in clever word spin on MSM. :banghead:

Ok so my point was proven. The mats were horizontal, then moved vertical over Christmas break. So KJ wasn't used to retrieving his shoes from vertical mats.

What about the video showing the kids playing when he runs in? Which video was not edited?

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

This is wrong! So wrong! JMO
" Gym mat boy's father points finger at football teammate: Claims son who mysteriously died was 'bullied by another teen'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...y-died-rolled-gym-mat-claims-bullied-boy.html

What is wrong is calling him "gym mat boy". That is wrong.

The father is grieving an looking for answers. This has been handled badly and now his baby is dead and was found to not even have all his organs at the second autopsy.
He has a right to be angry and look for answers. I have a lot of grace for someone in this amount of pain, who is looking for answers.

 

[Yoda]

Where did the information come from? I would like to know what routinely means specific to this case?
Do you deduce that he routinely went diving for sneakers in the mats?

I think there are many options here. At least at this point. This case is such a mire.

The incident report says the boy he shared the shoes with would stash them in the mats. They would reach in and get them out. Incident report.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

The incident report says the boy he shared the shoes with would stash them in the mats. They would reach in and get them out. Incident report.

How often? Every day, Once in a while? Why were they sharing shoes? That sounds odd. Boys are usually pretty particular about their shoes.

And again.. In the horizontal mats not the vertical ones, yes?

 

[Yoda]

What is wrong is calling him "gym mat boy". That is wrong.

The father is grieving an looking for answers. This has been handled badly and now his baby is dead and was found to not even have all his organs at the second autopsy.
He has a right to be angry and look for answers. I have a lot of grace for someone in this amount of pain, who is looking for answers.

He has no proof, no evidence. The confrontation was in 2011. He is blaming a person that LE has cleared.

 

[Yoda]

How often? Every day, Once in a while? Why were they sharing shoes? That sounds odd. Boys are usually pretty particular about their shoes.

And again.. In the horizontal mats not the vertical ones, yes?

Incident report. It is located on the KJ links page.

 

[FrayedKnot]

Exactly why I asked the question of when the mats where moved from the original horizontal position which they were normal stored in.

We know that KJ stored his shoes in the mats when they were laying down, horizontal! Big difference to retrieve a pair of shoes this way.

I'm not sure I'll ever believe it was an accident unless I see video of him completely alone.

The videos we have seen show kids in the gym before he got there and another video shows the kids edited out, why would that be?

According to the school, the mats were upended over the Christmas break.

So if KJ stored his shoes in a mat prior to the vacation, he would have had to retrieve them from having slipped down to the bottom once the mats were turned into a vertical position.

The day KJ died was the first day back to school, therefore the first day the mats been stored vertically while school was in session.

However, school spokespeople said that it was common practice for kids to walk along the tops of the vertically stored mats. :waitasec:

Really? A couple of hours into the school day? And it's a usual thing? Even though the mats were previously stored horizontally?

This is the kind of stuff I find way hinkier than KJ's actual death. If there is nothing to hide, then the "stories" should all jibe. They don't.

To me it speaks volumes.

MOO :twocents:

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

He has no proof, no evidence. The confrontation was in 2011. He is blaming a person that LE has cleared.

He is angry and I bet he may have heard things now that he did not know before. He is looking for why his baby is dead. I can find grace for that.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

According to the school, the mats were upended over the Christmas break.

So if KJ stored his shoes in a mat prior to the vacation, he would have had to retrieve them from having slipped down to the bottom once the mats were turned into a vertical position.

The day KJ died was the first day back to school, therefore the first day the mats been stored vertically while school was in session.

However, school spokespeople said that it was common practice for kids to walk along the tops of the vertically stored mats. :waitasec:

Really? A couple of hours into the school day? And it's a usual thing? Even though the mats were previously stored horizontally?

This is the kind of stuff I find way hinkier than KJ's actual death. If there is nothing to hide, then the "stories" should all jibe. They don't.

To me it speaks volumes.

MOO :twocents:

Thanks. And Yes yes yes. The things that are sticking out to me are things like.. a 2 hour investigation and they " know" it was an accident.
The shoe thing is really odd and I am not sure that we know half of that truth yet.

What you just posted about the statements, just adds to it. If I were his parents I would be completely angry and frustrated along with grieving and in great pain.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

What is wrong is calling him "gym mat boy". That is wrong.

The father is grieving an looking for answers. This has been handled badly and now his baby is dead and was found to not even have all his organs at the second autopsy.
He has a right to be angry and look for answers. I have a lot of grace for someone in this amount of pain, who is looking for answers.

By blaming another child without any evidence?

In a publicly heated case?

A boy that has been investigated?

So since he's grieving, he gets a free pass to ruin a boys life who could very well be innocent???

Really?

 

[pearl]

The lawyers and outside agitators in this case are throwing out accusations about real people. I firmly believe the only reason the federal agency is reviewing this case again is to try to spotlight the conclusive evidence that KJ died accidentally. I firmly believe the feds will find no foul play. When and if this happens, these lawyers and agitators could find themselves defendants in several civil cases. But, by the time this event ends, these lawyers and agitators will have moved on to the next story. This is all, of course, my opinion.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

The lawyers and outside agitators in this case are throwing out accusations about real people. I firmly believe the only reason the federal agency is reviewing this case again is to try to spotlight the conclusive evidence that KJ died accidentally. I firmly believe the feds will find no foul play. When and if this happens, these lawyers and agitators could find themselves defendants in several civil cases. But, by the time this event ends, these lawyers and agitators will have moved on to the next story. This is all, of course, my opinion.

I totally agree.
And no matter what is found, they will say the investigators got it wrong. And innocent people will still be looked at as guilty by many and their lives will be forever changed.

It's maddening.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

By blaming another child without any evidence?

In a publicly heated case?

A boy that has been investigated?

So since he's grieving, he gets a free pass to ruin a boys life who could very well be innocent???

Really?

This boy hurt his son before. He is angry and grieving and yes. He gets a pass from me. AT least for now.

 

[gxm]

Where did the information come from? I would like to know what routinely means specific to this case?
Do you deduce that he routinely went diving for sneakers in the mats?

I think there are many options here. At least at this point. This case is such a mire.

BBM.

The Incident Report supplies ample evidence that this was common behavior and that students routinely used the mats: page 1 (girls walking on top of mats), page 22 (students always on top of mats), page 26 (KJ's friends' statements that they and KJ stored their shoes in the mats), page 31 (kids playing on the mats when KJ was discovered), and page 37 (observed KJ and friends throwing shoes over the mats and that this was common behavior among the students).

 

[FrayedKnot]

Thing is, we really DON't know. None of us were there. And I am willing to accept that this was a tragic but freakily improbable accident. But not with what I have seen thus far.

And if this were my child and thank G*d it isn't, I would darn sure be rattling chains and demanding answers. And I haven't seen anything that convinces me for certain that this was an accident. I also haven't seen definitive proof of murder. Which is why I am not belittling the family and insisting that it is a FACT that this was an accident. Nor am I insisting it was murder.

Unless you were there, you cannot say you KNOW for a fact what happened. And if you can, you need to speak to police.

 

[gxm]

This boy hurt his son before. He is angry and grieving and yes. He gets a pass from me. AT least for now.

How do we know that the boy "hurt" his son? Where is the police report for this assault? The only child we know who was assaulted is the boy KJ's sister and friends went after shortly after KJ's body was found. That is the only evidence of assault on record that I know of. Please share the paper trail if you have evidence of KJ being "hurt" by another boy.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

BBM.

The Incident Report supplies ample evidence that this was common behavior and that students routinely used the mats: page 1 (girls walking on top of mats), page 22 (students always on top of mats), page 26 (KJ's friends' statements that they and KJ stored their shoes in the mats), page 31 (kids playing on the mats when KJ was discovered), and page 37 (observed KJ and friends throwing shoes over the mats and that this was common behavior among the students).

I appreciate the info.

But the mats were normally stored on their sides not vertically yes?

 

[FrayedKnot]

BBM.

The Incident Report supplies ample evidence that this was common behavior and that students routinely used the mats: page 1 (girls walking on top of mats), page 22 (students always on top of mats), page 26 (KJ's friends' statements that they and KJ stored their shoes in the mats), page 31 (kids playing on the mats when KJ was discovered), and page 37 (observed KJ and friends throwing shoes over the mats and that this was common behavior among the students).

So the mats were actually stored vertically BEFORE Christmas break and school officials lied about them only being stored that way since the break?

See, this is the kind of stuff that makes me question the veracity of any statement made by the school.