GA - Kendrick Johnson, 17, Suspicious Death, Jan. 10/11, 2013, #2

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  • #521
Not really a cover up, more like a railroading, IMO. I don't think anyone is suggesting cover ups don't happen - look at any criminal case involving the Kennedy family for examples of deep seeded cover ups. Difference between those and this case - the Kennedy's are who the well connected are connected to, and availed of more money than we could ever count. It's practically expected for them to cover.

If the suspected child in this case is a Kennedy, scootch over, I'll be climbing on the fence with you!:fence:
JMO

ITA. I don't see a cover up. I see a railroading. It's frightening. If some poor kid gets dragged into court on trumped up charges then I fear our justice system has jumped the shark.
 
  • #522
This reply is from the viewpoint of a retired teacher. As a teacher, I experienced the death of both current and former students. Each and every death in the teenage years is a tragedy. It doesn't matter how the death occurred. The death itself is tragic and out of the natural order of things. I did not attend the viewing or funeral of some of the students. It is an emotional trial to visit a funeral home or church where there is literally hundreds of mourners. It is heartbreaking to try to console children when they want you to explain to them why their friend died. I will visit the family (whether I know them well or not) at their home or designated gathering place. I have observed that teenagers will go to another teen's viewing or funeral even if they do not know the other teen. If I did not personally know the teen who died, I would not attend the viewing or funeral the same as I do not attend the viewing or funerals of adults I do not know. In my rural area when a student dies, the board of education, the school administration, and teachers are represented at the funeral. Arrangements are made at the school to cover the classes of teachers who want to attend the funeral.

Right. And besides, how is it telling in any relevant way? If teachers, etc. did not go, I'm sure they had their reasons. Maybe, considering the climate of the situation, they thought it was best to stay away to keep the focus of the funeral on Kendrick's memory rather than on strife in the community. jmo
 
  • #523
Only 3 teachers from the high school came to funeral:

After Johnson’s death Soloman and his friends say they were given the silent treatment by many of at the school. ‘It was different,’ he said. ‘They didn’t talk to us no more. We’re in the middle of everybody but not many people talk to us.’
The dead boys’ friends and family say they were also slighted when virtually every member from the high school faculty, including his coaches, were absent at the funeral.

‘Only two teachers came to K.J.’s funeral,’ Rickey told MailOnline. ‘And a substitute teacher came.’

The three teachers joined a mass of mourners; some included Kendrick’s middle school football coaches and his middle school principals, while others traveled from rival high schools and drove long distances to pay their respects. Rickey said the abandonment hurt.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...urs-teens-mysterious-death.html#ixzz2k6E8A4PJ
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This is a good point made by Dr. Anderson:

The GBI autopsy, released May 2, backed him up. That is until Dr. William Anderson performed a second autopsy in June, which showed he died from one terrific blow to his neck that caused his heart to stop. As for the GBI's assertion that KJ died from positional asphyxia, their report contradicted their conclusion. Anderson points out that if KJ died from positional asphyxia, his lungs would have filled with fluid. But the report stated, "Kendrick's lungs only weighed, 200 or 240 grams. If Kendrick died from positional asphyxia, how do we explain the absence of pulmonary adema?" Anderson wonders.

Read more at EBONY http://www.ebony.com/news-views/exc...to-kendrick-johnsons-murder-304#ixzz2k6J2cqHj

It is my understanding that because KJ was in an inverted position, his body fluids began draining out of him. That's why his dreads were covered in blood. IOW, he was not in a position that water would get trapped in his lungs. Because he was upside down, gravity would cause it to leak out. JMO. OMO. MOO.
 
  • #524
Right. And besides, how is it telling in any relevant way? If teachers, etc. did not go, I'm sure they had their reasons. Maybe, considering the climate of the situation, they thought it was best to stay away to keep the focus of the funeral on Kendrick's memory rather than on strife in the community. jmo

ITA. How many teachers attended KJ's funeral has no bearing on the facts of this case. IMO, it's just another emotional bombshell meant to distract and inflame without any meaningful evidentiary purpose. JMO. OMO. MOO.
 
  • #525
I have family members in the mortuary/funeral home business and stuffing a body with newspaper is not typical. My personal feeling is that is not nefarious, but disrespectful and shoddy.

And after asking, my understanding is that discarding organs is not typical. Usually, they are weighed, sampled if necessary, and then placed in a bag and replaced in the thoracic cavity before the Y incision is sutured back up.

"Following examination, the organs are either returned to the body (minus the pieces preserved for future work or evidence) or cremated, in accordance with the law and the family's wishes. The breastbone and ribs are also usually put back."

http://www.livescience.com/32789-forensic-pathologist-perform-autopsy-csi-effect.html

BBM

A partially decomposed body being handled by a morgue isn't typical, and since he stayed in the mat in an inverted position for a while before being found, the handling of KJ's organs wasn't "typical" for a "normal" burial. Most burials don't involve an already decomposing body. JMO!! :)
 
  • #526
Right??? Nothing screams respect like stuffing a deceased person's body with ziplock bags full or his or her decomposing (which is just a nice word for rotting) organs. jmo

Maybe!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
  • #527
The late, great Johnny Cochran was the originator of the famous "rush to judgment" phrase per OJ.

Not directing at you Sherp, just at O.J.

A bit O/T.
"Rush to Judgment" is the title of a 1966 book, written by atty Mark Lane (dob 1927) later a movie too,
per wiki Rush to Judgment - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.
The book criticized the Warren Commission's conclusions about how JFK died.

Although conceivably Johnnie Cochran, dob 1937 (who passed the bar exam in 1963), could have originated it, this website w 40 quotes from Cochran, does not attribute this phrase to him. www.successories.com/iquote/author/1920/johnnie-cochran-quotes/1‎


Maybe O.J. Simpsons's statement was wishful thinking - that people would believe Cochran saying there was a rush to judgment about O.J.?
 
  • #528
Not directing at you Sherp, just at O.J.

A bit O/T.
"Rush to Judgment" is the title of a 1966 book, written by atty Mark Lane (dob 1927) later a movie too,
per wiki Rush to Judgment - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.
The book criticized the Warren Commission's conclusions about how JFK died.

Although conceivably Johnnie Cochran, dob 1937 (who passed the bar exam in 1963), could have originated it, this website w 40 quotes from Cochran, does not attribute this phrase to him. www.successories.com/iquote/author/1920/johnnie-cochran-quotes/1‎


Maybe O.J. Simpsons's statement was wishful thinking - that people would believe Cochran saying there was a rush to judgment about O.J.?

I forgot about Lane's book. Thanks for the reminder. Looks like I am wrong. Sorry!
 
  • #529
Sherp,
No, you are not wrong.
O.J. was wrong, IMO.

Apparently I did not make it clear enough.
Sorry.
 
  • #530
If there were 1,000+ people at the funeral, how would anyone know who was and wasn't there? I've been to large funerals like this and everyone doesn't sign a guest book. If your not standing next to the person or see them as you walk through the crowd, does that prove they weren't there?

What does a persons attendance at a funeral have to do anyway, with whether Kendrick died from an accident or he was murdered? It doesn't provide fact or evidence that there was a murder and this is what is needed in order to support the accusations.

Funeral for Kendrick Johnson is held in Valdosta, Georgia - YouTube

I agree it has no bearing on KJ's death whether or not teachers attended his funeral.

My frustration was at the suggestion that these two boys were somehow not being truthful and had some kind of agenda, when in fact they were just talking about what their experience had been and their feelings about that.
 
  • #531
I have family members in the mortuary/funeral home business and stuffing a body with newspaper is not typical. My personal feeling is that is not nefarious, but disrespectful and shoddy.

And after asking, my understanding is that discarding organs is not typical. Usually, they are weighed, sampled if necessary, and then placed in a bag and replaced in the thoracic cavity before the Y incision is sutured back up.

"Following examination, the organs are either returned to the body (minus the pieces preserved for future work or evidence) or cremated, in accordance with the law and the family's wishes. The breastbone and ribs are also usually put back."

http://www.livescience.com/32789-forensic-pathologist-perform-autopsy-csi-effect.html

If there were 1,000+ people at the funeral, how would anyone know who was and wasn't there? I've been to large funerals like this and everyone doesn't sign a guest book. If your not standing next to the person or see them as you walk through the crowd, does that prove they weren't there?

What does a persons attendance at a funeral have to do anyway, with whether Kendrick died from an accident or he was murdered? It doesn't provide fact or evidence that there was a murder and this is what is needed in order to support the accusations.

Funeral for Kendrick Johnson is held in Valdosta, Georgia - YouTube

To me, it's a matter of respect to the victim and the parents, who are also the victims in this case. I of course cannot verify if these students' statements are true but if so, the high school showed a lack of respect for one of their students who died, no matter what the cause. I believe them.

Same with the disposal of the organs. The parents were not consulted nor advised after the fact of what happened to them, but had to find out from the
second autopsy, so it was a shock to them to learn how their son's body was treated. They should have been consulted and informed of this at the time.
 
  • #532
  • #533
This blogger, a former author, former law professor, and former felony criminal defense attorney in state and federal courts specializing in death penalty defense, forensics, and complex litigation, is posting about the case of Kendrick's death and has several interesting points. More at link below.

Excerpts:

.......Compare the long pants he was wearing when he entered the gym, by looking at the video that shows him in the hall before he enters the gym, to the blue jean shorts he was wearing in the tube, as shown in the photograph that displays his lower body.

While you’re at it, take a look at the athletic shoes that appear in that photograph and ask yourself who placed them there and when did they do it? I don’t believe Kendrick could have or would have placed them there.

Next question: Is he wearing those shoes when he enters the gym? Difficult for me to tell from the video whether the white athletic shoes that he is wearing when he enters the gym have the red trim that is visible in the photograph.
More questions: Why and where did he change his pants and why was he looking for another pair of shoes?

Quick guess: He likely would have changed his pants in a bathroom and would have to have taken off his shoes before removing his pants. I doubt there were video cameras in the bathrooms, so that would have been a good place for an ambush. Also may have been an opportune location to roll him up in a mat.

Final Question: What happened to his long pants?
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Kendrick Johnson was not alone in the gym.

Victor Blackwell, who has been doing a splendid job of covering the Kendrick Johnson case for CNN, explains how he reached that conclusion in this CNN video with Anderson Cooper.

He explains why he wanted to view additional CCTV video:

Lieutenant Stride Jones, who has been the face of the investigation for the Lowndes County Sheriff’s Department, at least for the media, and we have the official record from the Georgia Bureau of Investigation from the Medical Examiner’s office and they recount a conversation with Stride Jones on January
16th and here it is.

The decedent was seen on the school video going into the gym around 1300 hours alone. The video did not show any other children or staff in the gym with the decedent at that time. BBM

Here’s what Stride Jones told the Valdosta Daily Times on May 4th.

He [Kendrick] comes down the hallway, and he essentially enters the gym. He’s following another kid. The first kid comes in and goes to the left. Kendrick goes in and off to the right where the mats are. BBM

A clear discrepancy between those two statements.

Blackwell wrote this letter to the attorney who represents the school district asking the following question:

Are minors for whom Lowndes County has not received consent to release educational records depicted in the surveillance video recorded inside the Old Gym at Lowndes High School on January 10, 2013 between 1:09 pm and 1:20 pm?
He told Anderson Cooper that he received the following answer to his question:

We chose 1:09 pm because that is the time this picture was taken. In the response by the attorney for the school district. he writes, I answer your pointed question with, “Yes.” So confirmation that Kendrick was not alone in the gym.
We not only know that Kendrick was not alone, we know that Lieutenant Stride Jones lied about that on January 16th. BBM

http://frederickleatherman.com/category/kendrick-johnson/
 
  • #534
This blogger, a former author, former law professor, and former felony criminal defense attorney in state and federal courts specializing in death penalty defense, forensics, and complex litigation, is posting about the case of Kendrick's death and has several interesting points. More at link below.

Excerpts:

.......Compare the long pants he was wearing when he entered the gym, by looking at the video that shows him in the hall before he enters the gym, to the blue jean shorts he was wearing in the tube, as shown in the photograph that displays his lower body.

While you’re at it, take a look at the athletic shoes that appear in that photograph and ask yourself who placed them there and when did they do it? I don’t believe Kendrick could have or would have placed them there.

Next question: Is he wearing those shoes when he enters the gym? Difficult for me to tell from the video whether the white athletic shoes that he is wearing when he enters the gym have the red trim that is visible in the photograph.
More questions: Why and where did he change his pants and why was he looking for another pair of shoes?

Quick guess: He likely would have changed his pants in a bathroom and would have to have taken off his shoes before removing his pants. I doubt there were video cameras in the bathrooms, so that would have been a good place for an ambush. Also may have been an opportune location to roll him up in a mat.

Final Question: What happened to his long pants?
--------

Kendrick Johnson was not alone in the gym.

Victor Blackwell, who has been doing a splendid job of covering the Kendrick Johnson case for CNN, explains how he reached that conclusion in this CNN video with Anderson Cooper.

He explains why he wanted to view additional CCTV video:

Lieutenant Stride Jones, who has been the face of the investigation for the Lowndes County Sheriff’s Department, at least for the media, and we have the official record from the Georgia Bureau of Investigation from the Medical Examiner’s office and they recount a conversation with Stride Jones on January
16th and here it is.

The decedent was seen on the school video going into the gym around 1300 hours alone. The video did not show any other children or staff in the gym with the decedent at that time. BBM

Here’s what Stride Jones told the Valdosta Daily Times on May 4th.

He [Kendrick] comes down the hallway, and he essentially enters the gym. He’s following another kid. The first kid comes in and goes to the left. Kendrick goes in and off to the right where the mats are. BBM

A clear discrepancy between those two statements.

Blackwell wrote this letter to the attorney who represents the school district asking the following question:

Are minors for whom Lowndes County has not received consent to release educational records depicted in the surveillance video recorded inside the Old Gym at Lowndes High School on January 10, 2013 between 1:09 pm and 1:20 pm?
He told Anderson Cooper that he received the following answer to his question:

We chose 1:09 pm because that is the time this picture was taken. In the response by the attorney for the school district. he writes, I answer your pointed question with, “Yes.” So confirmation that Kendrick was not alone in the gym.
We not only know that Kendrick was not alone, we know that Lieutenant Stride Jones lied about that on January 16th. BBM

http://frederickleatherman.com/category/kendrick-johnson/

I wonder why he thinks Kendrick was wearing different pants. It looks like they have just bunched up to me.

Look at 5:18 in this video:

[video=youtube;ikOTD9Urh0A]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ikOTD9Urh0A[/video]
 
  • #535
  • #536
Didn't the autopsy/coroner's report say he was wearing pants, not shorts?
 
  • #537
I found it. Yes, the official report states he was wearing "DENIM JEANS", not shorts. That's the kind of misinformation that gets people all riled up for no good reason.
 
  • #538
To me, it's a matter of respect to the victim and the parents, who are also the victims in this case. I of course cannot verify if these students' statements are true but if so, the high school showed a lack of respect for one of their students who died, no matter what the cause. I believe them.

Same with the disposal of the organs. The parents were not consulted nor advised after the fact of what happened to them, but had to find out from the
second autopsy, so it was a shock to them to learn how their son's body was treated. They should have been consulted and informed of this at the time.

This, to me is the problem. This family has every right to ask questions, to want to know why the videos look all edited and weird, why the coroner was not called within the prescribed time limit as per GEORGIA LAW.

And while maybe not illegal, the way Kendrick's body was handled was very disrespectful. Newspaper is NOT an acceptable stuffing for a dead body.

For all of those people who keep saying this is no biggie, I just ask "What if this were YOUR child?" Would you just say "Well, shucks, they told me it was an accident, so I guess it was...." Or would you question every hinky discrepancy?

For me, it isn't that I don't believe this could not have been an accident, it is the shifty handling of the case post-mortem.

And if it were MY child, I daggum promise you I would demand answers.

Heck, this is NOT my child and I think there is some stuff that requires clarification!!!!!
 
  • #539
This, to me is the problem. This family has every right to ask questions, to want to know why the videos look all edited and weird, why the coroner was not called within the prescribed time limit as per GEORGIA LAW.

And while maybe not illegal, the way Kendrick's body was handled was very disrespectful. Newspaper is NOT an acceptable stuffing for a dead body.

For all of those people who keep saying this is no biggie, I just ask "What if this were YOUR child?" Would you just say "Well they told be it was an accident, so I guess so." Or would question every hinky discrepancy?

For me, it isn't that I don't believe this could not have been an accident, it is the shifty handling of the case post-mortem.

And if it were MY child, I daggum promise you I would demand answers.

Heck, this is NOT my child and I think there is some stuff that requires clarification!!!!!

Agree completely.

I don't know this kid but I am angry as heck at how this has been handled and seemingly brushed off. This child and his family deserve the truth and all the information they can find.
 
  • #540
For some reason people have a really hard time wrapping their heads around the simple fact that KJ was upside down the entire time and how gravity had produced the state he was found in. JMO. OMO. MOO.

It may produce the facial disfigurement but someone is going to have to explain the bruises on the neck for me.
 
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