GA - Kendrick Johnson, 17, Suspicious Death, Jan. 10/11, 2013, #2

[ScarlettScarpetta]

Who said they were missing? I mean besides Crump.

He also said KJ had blunt force trauma to his head and other places and the ME just ignored that and "decided" to call it an accident. We know that's not true.

Why would he say that?

To inflame, incite, rile up the people who trust him without looking into the FACTS.

That's why this is crazy beyond belief.
He can just say whatever he wants to. Blatant lies.

You did.. I don't know if the clothes are missing, But you seemed to offer other explanations so I wondered if it is indeed true.

I think that Crump is adding details but he is correct, Kendrick had blunt force trauma.

Crump is definitely one who likes to incite but on the other hand, He sees a young black kid who died in an odd way, was not investigated correctly, has a conflicting new autopsy, so I can see why he is all in arms.
Crump is annoying for sure but I can not not get behind his anger and position.

These parents deserve someone who is going to fight for them. Crump will do that. He will keep pushing and pushing until they get real answers, which they are entitled to.

 

[Tawny]

The sheer number of people who would have had to be involved to cover up a conspiracy to murder this one teenage boy is staggering. Everyone from the first person to find him, investigators, every single officer, every EMT, every individual who came in contact with his body, right down to the people who control the temperature of the morgue, are suspected to be involved in some massive cover up.

If KJ were a star witness to some sort of major crime, I could see it. But he was just one kid that wasn't important to anybody (I mean that in regards to anybody of importance, like a politician or government official. He is obviously an important person in general, as everyone is important).

It just doesn't make ANY sense that this would be some kind of massive cover up.

Answer me this one simple question, please: What are they covering up?

And I don't mean "a murder". I mean what would they be trying to protect by covering up his murder?

 

[Tawny]

You did.. I don't know if the clothes are missing, But you seemed to offer other explanations so I wondered if it is indeed true.

I think that Crump is adding details but he is correct, Kendrick had blunt force trauma.

Crump is definitely one who likes to incite but on the other hand, He sees a young black kid who died in an odd way, was not investigated correctly, has a conflicting new autopsy, so I can see why he is all in arms.
Crump is annoying for sure but I can not not get behind his anger and position.

These parents deserve someone who is going to fight for them. Crump will do that. He will keep pushing and pushing until they get real answers, which they are entitled to.

BBM, all due respect, but if he's "adding details" that aren't really there, he's telling lies.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

BBM, all due respect, but if he's "adding details" that aren't really there, he's telling lies.

I don't think he is lying outright. I think he is upset, trying to make sure this family gets the answers they deserve and may be expanding on things.. But there is blunt force trauma. Maybe he does not understand the results completely or maybe he talked to the second pathologist and knows more than we do..

I don't know.. But I don't call people liars without evidence.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

You did.. I don't know if the clothes are missing, But you seemed to offer other explanations so I wondered if it is indeed true.

I think that Crump is adding details but he is correct, Kendrick had blunt force trauma.

Crump is definitely one who likes to incite but on the other hand, He sees a young black kid who died in an odd way, was not investigated correctly, has a conflicting new autopsy, so I can see why he is all in arms.
Crump is annoying for sure but I can not not get behind his anger and position.

These parents deserve someone who is going to fight for them. Crump will do that. He will keep pushing and pushing until they get real answers, which they are entitled to.

I said they were missing?
I don't think so.
I never said they were missing. As far as I know they only person who has said that is crump.
Please point me to where I said they are missing.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

I said they were missing?
I don't think so.
I never said they were missing. As far as I know they only person who has said that is crump.
Please point me to where I said they are missing.

You did not seem to know where they were either.. Offering they could be in evidence. They either are or they are not. So if you don't know where they are, it means that Crump may indeed be telling the truth.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

There is no excuse for a professional to "expand" on things.
It's wrong. It's lies.

Here is the thing. I get that you and a few others hate Crump. I get it. He won't be getting a Christmas card from me either, But I am not going to fault him for making sure people are paying attention to this case. His big mouth serves a purpose.
This whole case feels wrong. It feels neglected, it feels pushed under the rug. It feels really bad.

I have not seen a blatant lie. Not yet.

 

[Tawny]

You did not seem to know where they were either.. Offering they could be in evidence. They either are or they are not. So if you don't know where they are, it means that Crump may indeed be telling the truth.

Why would we assume "missing" over "in evidence"? Unless they are indeed missing, to say they are when we don't know one way or the other is perpetuating misinformation. If Crump isn't sure, he shouldn't say anything at all. JMO

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

Why would we assume "missing" over "in evidence"? Unless they are indeed missing, to say they are when we don't know one way or the other is perpetuating misinformation. If Crump isn't sure, he shouldn't say anything at all. JMO

My point is no one here seems to know where they are either so they could be missing.

This has gotten way off track. This is not about Crump. It is about Kendrick..

only Kendrick.

 

[Tawny]

Here is the thing. I get that you and a few others hate Crump. I get it. He won't be getting a Christmas card from me either, But I am not going to fault him for making sure people are paying attention to this case. His big mouth serves a purpose.
This whole case feels wrong. It feels neglected, it feels pushed under the rug. It feels really bad.

I have not seen a blatant lie. Not yet.

I don't hate Crump. I don't know the man. I've never even seen or heard him speak, and I don't care to. All I care to see are facts and evidence, and I'd like it if the big mouths (like MSM, nobody here) would sit down and be quiet and let the evidence and investigation show the facts, instead of a bunch of hotheaded opinions on the part of "experts" with an agenda. :twocents:

I've seen evidence of mishandling of a few things, but I have yet to see evidence of a crime at all. Again I'll ask: What would all these people be trying to cover up? Not just a murder, beyond that. What are they trying to hide that to them would mean KJ deserved to die?

 

[Kimberlyd125]

You did not seem to know where they were either.. Offering they could be in evidence. They either are or they are not. So if you don't know where they are, it means that Crump may indeed be telling the truth.

That is not saying they are missing (you said I said they were, you were incorrect).

I said "does not mean they are missing".

Again, I ask you, have you seen anywhere/anybody else say his clothes are MISSING besides Crump.
His credibility is very low in my eyes at this point after I listened to him lie in that podcast I heard this morning.

May indeed be telling the truth? I guess anything is possible.

But, my point was (and still is) that if that's the only source of the missing clothes story, I take it with a bucket of salt. I need a better source.

IMO the clothes are not missing. I would bet they are in an evidence locker somewhere.

But that doesn't sound as interesting for Crump's campaign as saying they are missing.


JMO

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

That is not saying they are missing (you said I said they were, you were incorrect).

I said "does not mean they are missing".

Again, I ask you, have you seen anywhere/anybody else say his clothes are MISSING besides Crump.
His credibility is very low in my eyes at this point after I listened to him lie in that podcast I heard this morning.

May indeed be telling the truth? I guess anything is possible.

But, my point was (and still is) that if that's the only source of the missing clothes story, I take it with a bucket of salt. I need a better source.

IMO the clothes are not missing. I would bet they are in an evidence locker somewhere.

But that doesn't sound as interesting for Crump's campaign as saying they are missing.


JMO

I don't think any of this matters. If the clothes are missing, that is not good. I don't know if they are or not. I don't know if Crump is right or not.

You can assume where the clothes are if you like, But I believe there must be some basis for thinking they are missing if he said it. I hope they aren't.. But I can not discount it until I see proof they are in the evidence locker. I don't blindly believe in anything.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

My point is no one here seems to know where they are either so they could be missing.

This has gotten way off track. This is not about Crump. It is about Kendrick..

only Kendrick.

Crump is the family's attorney.
So, I guess he is up for discussion as much as anybody else in the case. Including LE.

So, if Crump wants to question the actions of LE, then the actions of a very outspoken, misleading attorney putting information out there that is not true is just as much a part and should be discussed IMO.

Crump is a HUGE part of this case. He's made sure of that.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

"Somewhere between Macon and Valdosta, Kendrick's clothes had disappeared. The Johnsons believe these items may have contained evidence indicating a physical struggle, giving weight to their suspicion that Kendrick's death was no accident."

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id...-17-year-old-football-player-valdosta-georgia

Crump is not the only one saying the clothes are missing. So it must be more than a rumor.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

"A state medical examiner ruled his death accidental, despite evidence of a neck injury found in a second autopsy conducted by a pathologist hired by the family. His fingernails had been clipped, his clothes were missing and his organs had been removed and replaced by newspaper."

http://www.cnn.com/2013/11/07/justice/georgia-gym-mat-death/

His clothes are missing. Fact.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

Crump is the family's attorney.
So, I guess he is up for discussion as much as anybody else in the case. Including LE.

So, if Crump wants to question the actions of LE, then the actions of a very outspoken, misleading attorney putting information out there that is not true is just as much a part and should be discussed IMO.

Crump is a HUGE part of this case. He's made sure of that.

Apparently not too misleading as the clothes are indeed missing.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/11/07/justice/georgia-gym-mat-death/

 

[Tawny]

That came from another of their attorneys, and the fingernail clipping information came from the parents through their attorney to MSM. They claim his nails were kept long when photos prove otherwise.

 

[gxm]

Regarding KJ's clothing. The GBI autopsy report states that his clothing was returned with KJ's body. IMO, the funeral home had them. If the clothes are lost, the funeral home lost them. I'm not at home so I don't have the document handy but I'm pretty sure I posted the info and page number over a week ago. JMO. OMO. MOO.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

"Somewhere between Macon and Valdosta, Kendrick's clothes had disappeared. The Johnsons believe these items may have contained evidence indicating a physical struggle, giving weight to their suspicion that Kendrick's death was no accident."

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id...-17-year-old-football-player-valdosta-georgia

Crump is not the only one saying the clothes are missing. So it must be more than a rumor.

The author of this article does not list a source.
Where did he get that info?

This in no way tells me it must be more than a rumor.

 

[Reader]

"Somewhere between Macon and Valdosta, Kendrick's clothes had disappeared. The Johnsons believe these items may have contained evidence indicating a physical struggle, giving weight to their suspicion that Kendrick's death was no accident."

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id...-17-year-old-football-player-valdosta-georgia

Crump is not the only one saying the clothes are missing. So it must be more than a rumor.

Thanks!

Note: If the podcast being discussed is the one I posted this morning, the family's attorney speaking was not Crump, but Mr. King.