GA - Kendrick Johnson, 17, Suspicious Death, Jan. 10/11, 2013, #2

[ScarlettScarpetta]

Regarding KJ's clothing. The GBI autopsy report states that his clothing was returned with KJ's body. IMO, the funeral home had them. If the clothes are lost, the funeral home lost them. I'm not at home so I don't have the document handy but I'm pretty sure I posted the info and page number over a week ago. JMO. OMO. MOO.

It does not make a difference who lost them. Just that they are lost and that Crump was not lying.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

The author of this article does not list a source.
Where did he get that info?

This in no way tells me it must be more than a rumor.

It does not matter.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/11/07/justic...gym-mat-death/

CNN also states the clothes were missing. That is 2 sources..

They are missing and Crump was right.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

No. Not a fact. WHO IS THE SOURCE????
Surely you know how this works.

Did the writer get the info from Crump? Family? LE????
The source matters.

Yes it is. CNN states the same truth..

 

[Kimberlyd125]

It does not make a difference who lost them. Just that they are lost and that Crump was not lying.

You are not correct.

Who says the clothes are missing? Besides Crump/family???

Where are they getting the info for the article.

Sources matter.

 

[Tawny]

CNN is not a source since they have to get the information from somewhere. They are the messenger.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

It does not matter.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/11/07/justic...gym-mat-death/

CNN also states the clothes were missing. That is 2 sources..

They are missing and Crump was right.

CNN is not a source.
CNN is the media. Who is the source?

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

You are not correct.

Who says the clothes are missing? Besides Crump/family???

Where are they getting the info for the article.

Sources matter.

CNN. Think they made it up??? Think they are reporting open lies or things that can not be proven?

The clothes are missing.

Cnn article dated , Thu November 7, 2013

"A state medical examiner ruled his death accidental, despite evidence of a neck injury found in a second autopsy conducted by a pathologist hired by the family. His fingernails had been clipped, his clothes were missing and his organs had been removed and replaced by newspaper."

 

[Kimberlyd125]

Yes it is. CNN states the same truth..

I think you are misunderstanding how this works.

The media has sources. Who is CNN's source?
They normally disclose the source.
CNN is not the source.

 

[Karmady]

"Somewhere between Macon and Valdosta, Kendrick's clothes had disappeared. The Johnsons believe these items may have contained evidence indicating a physical struggle, giving weight to their suspicion that Kendrick's death was no accident."

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id...-17-year-old-football-player-valdosta-georgia

Crump is not the only one saying the clothes are missing. So it must be more than a rumor.

This blogger, assuming he's otherwise credible, doesn't source these statements as far as I saw. But even assuming they originally came directly from a credible source it appears that the original source would be the funeral home. The same one that stuffed the body with newspaper also claims they didn't receive the clothes -- although the guy who transported the body signed for them at the crime lab.

~snipped by me

The Monday after his death, the corpse was sent about 150 miles north to the Georgia Bureau of Investigation crime lab near Macon for an autopsy. After it was completed, the body was returned to Valdosta.

The corpse had been moved by Steve Owens, a retired Valdosta police officer who owns a company that transports the deceased. When Owens retrieved the body from the crime lab, he signed a property inventory sheet acknowledging receipt of two white socks, a pair of pants with a belt, black shorts, boxers, and three T-shirts.

Typically, a body is returned to the family with a bag of personal effects — clothing, accessories, and anything else found with the deceased at the time of death. That day, Harrington Funeral Home received two bodies from the GBI crime lab. One arrived with clothing. The other body — Kendrick's — did not. Instead, it came only with a pair of broken headphones.

Somewhere between Macon and Valdosta, Kendrick's clothes had disappeared. The Johnsons believe these items may have contained evidence indicating a physical struggle, giving weight to their suspicion that Kendrick's death was no accident. More importantly, they could have fiber or DNA evidence. Owens, who transported the body, did not respond to requests for comment. As for what the clothing may have shown, the Johnsons may never know.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

CNN. Think they made it up??? Think they are reporting open lies or things that can not be proven?

The clothes are missing.

Cnn article dated , Thu November 7, 2013

"A state medical examiner ruled his death accidental, despite evidence of a neck injury found in a second autopsy conducted by a pathologist hired by the family. His fingernails had been clipped, his clothes were missing and his organs had been removed and replaced by newspaper."

I never said they were lying. I asked who their source was. Big difference.
I think we can both agree that if their source is Crump or anyone in his camp, it is biased and may not be the whole truth. They may be "expanding" as you say.
Who is the source that says his clothes were missing?

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

Sorry, But this is comical now. There is a MSM article.. More than one that we take as reference here. Stating the clothes are missing.

Moving on..

I wish there was an update on federal investigation.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

""I was not notifedi n (sic) this death until 15:45 hours. The investigative climate was very poor to worse when I arrived on the scene. The body had been noticably (sic) moved. The scene had been compromised and there was no cooperation from law enforcement at the scene. Furthermore the integrity of the evidence bag was compromised on January 13, 2013 by opening the sealed bag and exhibiting the dead body to his father," wrote Lowndes County Coroner Bill Watson in a report dated January 22."

http://www.cnn.com/2013/11/07/justice/georgia-gym-mat-death/

This is troublesome on its own.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

It's not comical. At all.

You say 2 sources have said his clothes were missing. I'd just like you to tell me who those sources are.

We can move on.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

This blogger, assuming he's otherwise credible, doesn't source these statements as far as I saw. But even assuming they originally came directly from a credible source it appears that the original source would be the funeral home. The same one that stuffed the body with newspaper also claims they didn't receive the clothes -- although the guy who transported the body signed for them at the crime lab.

~snipped by me

The Monday after his death, the corpse was sent about 150 miles north to the Georgia Bureau of Investigation crime lab near Macon for an autopsy. After it was completed, the body was returned to Valdosta.

The corpse had been moved by Steve Owens, a retired Valdosta police officer who owns a company that transports the deceased. When Owens retrieved the body from the crime lab, he signed a property inventory sheet acknowledging receipt of two white socks, a pair of pants with a belt, black shorts, boxers, and three T-shirts.

Typically, a body is returned to the family with a bag of personal effects — clothing, accessories, and anything else found with the deceased at the time of death. That day, Harrington Funeral Home received two bodies from the GBI crime lab. One arrived with clothing. The other body — Kendrick's — did not. Instead, it came only with a pair of broken headphones.

Somewhere between Macon and Valdosta, Kendrick's clothes had disappeared. The Johnsons believe these items may have contained evidence indicating a physical struggle, giving weight to their suspicion that Kendrick's death was no accident. More importantly, they could have fiber or DNA evidence. Owens, who transported the body, did not respond to requests for comment. As for what the clothing may have shown, the Johnsons may never know.

Gotta love blogs.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

It is funny.. first Crump is a liar and made it up. Then a CNN article citing the coroner as a source says the clothes are missing and that is still not good enough..

We use MSM articles all the time to give credibility to facts and statements.

Crump is not the source for the article. And the fact is the clothes are missing.

 

[Tawny]

CNN also reported the fingernails as suspiciously clipped and that he kept them long, which has been proven to be more misinformation. The source matters of the information matters if we are to take it as gospel truth.

 

[gxm]

It does not make a difference who lost them. Just that they are lost and that Crump was not lying.

GBI did not lose them. They are listed as being returned with the body. The funeral home, hired by the family, lost them. Or, for all we know, discarded them upon request. So yes, when it comes to claiming professional incompetence, it matters.

My uncle's body was not found for days. The funeral home returned his wallet, car keys, and other small personal items found in his pockets but did not return his clothing to us. I would presume that with a badly decomposed body, the clothing is in a terrible state.


JMO. OMO. MOO.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

It is funny.. first Crump is a liar and made it up. Then a CNN article citing the coroner as a source says the clothes are missing and that is still not good enough..

We use MSM articles all the time to give credibility to facts and statements.

Crump is not the source for the article. And the fact is the clothes are missing.

I've read the article and can not see where CNN cites the coroner as saying the clothes are missing.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

GBI did not lose them. They are listed as being returned with the body. The funeral home, hired by the family, lost them. Or, for all we know, discarded them upon request. So yes, when it comes to claiming professional incompetence, it matters.

My uncle's body was not found for days. The funeral home returned his wallet, car keys, and other small personal items found in his pockets but did not return his clothing to us. I would presume that with a badly decomposed body, the clothing is in a terrible state.


JMO. OMO. MOO.

Im sorry about your uncle.. But the point is here that the clothes are missing. Who lost them? I don't know.. But more than one source says that they were not given back to the family, No one knows where they are presently and they are not in evidence where they probably should be.

 

[Karmady]

It does not matter.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/11/07/justic...gym-mat-death/

CNN also states the clothes were missing. That is 2 sources..

They are missing and Crump was right.

This link isn't working for me. Anyone else?