GUILTY GA - Lauren Giddings, 27, Macon, 26 June 2011 #13

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Unrelated but interesting article...two Atlanta Prosecutors are being accused of misconduct in a death penalty case....

Alleged misconduct by assistant US attorneys in death penalty trial in Atlanta
U.S. District Senior Judge Clarence Cooper accused the pair of repeatedly deceiving him during pretrial litigation in the death penalty case of federal inmate Brian Richardson.

http://www.dailyreportonline.com/Editorial/News/singleEdit.asp?l=100421910512

The prosecutors in this case sound like real freaks, one was apparently having multiple phone calls with another inmate (defendant is in prison and killed another prisoner) and the posecutor suggested that the inmate stab one of the female defense attorneys to death in the courtroom, joking that they would go light on him and consider it a public service!
 
  • #602
...maybe she then called other friends to come over and help her decide how to proceed and they soon came.

Yeah the lone friend was probably afraid to go into the apartment by herself for fear of what she might find, assuming of course she knew where the key was.
 
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Since some of us in this forum have long considered that McD may be a psychopath, here is an article and video of a child interview you may find interesting: Can a Kid Be A Psychopath?


McDaniel is innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. I have not read nor heard anything about him that implies he was known to be cruel or violent in daily life. The only suggestion of dishonesty comes from the police that claim he admitted stealing condoms. Opinions/ideas posted on the Internet (fake or otherwise) don't count as real world evidence.
 
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Everyone is allowed to have opinions regarding McD. I believe he still reminds me of Bundy, not in all ways but there is no rhyme or reason to why Bundy turned out the way he did

http://twistedminds.creativescapism.com/most-notorious/ted-bundy/

Those who do turnout to have ANY personality disorder, have to start somewhere. It may not be obvious early on becuase many may be naive about children being evil or whatever term one wishes to use. Somwehre I have gotten the notion that McD didnt' have a criminal background (not sure about kid meanness) when he went to Mercer. Does anyone know? Was there a criminal background check done on him? Would it have mattered if it was clean? I do it for the protection of my other tenants but one never knows what lies ahead.
 
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Those who do turnout to have ANY personality disorder, have to start somewhere. It may not be obvious early on becuase many may be naive about children being evil or whatever term one wishes to use. Somwehre I have gotten the notion that McD didnt' have a criminal background (not sure about kid meanness) when he went to Mercer. Does anyone know? Was there a criminal background check done on him? Would it have mattered if it was clean? I do it for the protection of my other tenants but one never knows what lies ahead.

I believe he would have had to pass a background check as preparation to take the bar exam, tomkat, seems like we have had info about that before but I can't pinpoint it right now.

Also, his defense attorneys presented a check at the bond hearing and pointed out that it was clean except for charges related to this case. See the link below, pages 40-43.
http://news.telegraph-online.com/dc/120403-McDanielBondSupport.html

So --don't know if apartment complex would have done/did do one, but I guess it would have come up clean, if so.
 
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http://www.macon.com/2012/05/18/2030514/hearing-set-for-mcdaniels-bond.html#wgt=rcntnews Well, Joe didn't exactly name us by name, but I am pretty sure he is talking bout us sleuthers , unless there is some other message board out there that bandied about whether the Bar-be-cue V-Card internet posting read at McD's bond hearing was real or not and what the implications are for Winters , McDaniel and Hogue if it is not. Good job, all. !!
 
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http://www.macon.com/2012/05/18/2030514/hearing-set-for-mcdaniels-bond.html#wgt=rcntnews Well, Joe didn't exactly name us by name, but I am pretty sure he is talking bout us sleuthers , unless there is some other message board out there that bandied about whether the Bar-be-cue V-Card internet posting read at McD's bond hearing was real or not and what the implications are for Winters , McDaniel and Hogue if it is not. Good job, all. !!

bbm: Actually, looks to me like AboveTheLaw* is getting the "credit" that should go to WS and/or OPERATORChan, LOL

ETA: * ...oh...and The Telegraph!
 
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bbm: Actually, looks to me like AboveTheLaw* is getting the "credit" that should go to WS and/or OPERATORChan, LOL

ETA: * ...oh...and The Telegraph!
Not that it makes a darn bit of difference, but just to be accurate it started right here, BW, while the live feed was still up.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=154808&highlight=v-card&page=5

ATL didn't post about it until the next day, April 4th, as did OC.

http://abovethelaw.com/2012/04/a-cr...phen-mcdaniel-in-lauren-giddings-murder-case/

OC has removed the thread, and I won't post the screencap, but the first post was on April 4, 2012, and included a link to the ATL post.

Amy and Joe overlooked us, and that's fine with me if it means they also did not refer to us when they called it a "parlor game". :tsktsk: Not even close. Not for me, and not for most of the members who have followed Lauren's case here for almost a year now.
 
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Not that it makes a darn bit of difference, but just to be accurate it started right here, BW, while the live feed was still up.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=154808&highlight=v-card&page=5

ATL didn't post about it until the next day, April 4th, as did OC.

http://abovethelaw.com/2012/04/a-cr...phen-mcdaniel-in-lauren-giddings-murder-case/

OC has removed the thread, and I won't post the screencap, but the first post was on April 4, 2012, and included a link to the ATL post.

Amy and Joe overlooked us, and that's fine with me if it means they also did not refer to us when they called it a "parlor game". :tsktsk: Not even close. Not for me, and not for most of the members who have followed Lauren's case here for almost a year now.

I agree, bessie... though I wasn't quite sure, when I posted, just when OC picked up on it. (Did know ATL wasn't first!)

I think your link is wrong, though, for where we first kicked in about this during the live feed -- it takes me somewhere entirely different, not related to the bond hearing or post at all. I think the following link is where it all starts:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=154808&page=24

Also in agreement about not considering this case a parlor game.
 
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Really? I wonder if that's because I list posts in descending order with most recent posts first. Hmm... Anyway, it starts at post 590, 04/03/2012, around 2:30 pm CDT.


Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - Found Deceased GA - Lauren Giddings, 27, Macon, 2011 June 27 - #12

Yes, that post is on the page I linked above. (Your original link took me to a page from Nov. 2011 where we were talking mostly, it appeared, about cell phone pings and whether SM might have had a cell, etc. Oriah was posting a good bit at that point.)
 
  • #614
Amy and Joe overlooked us, and that's fine with me if it means they also did not refer to us when they called it a "parlor game". :tsktsk:

Pretty sure the "parlor game" comment refers to this board and also to some of the Macon.com threads. The limited (known) evidence has added a new element to the whole situation, it is less about guilt or innocence and more about whether the case will be won/lost in court.

This has truly riveted many of the locals, I have never followed a murder investigation this closely before and probably never will again. A murder of this magnitude only happens here once every 50 years, or once every generation so yeah it is a big deal.

I am slowly but surely reading hard copy books on all of the infamous local murders, right now reading "Shadow Chasers" about the Woolfolk murders. Before that the book about Anjette Lyles (Whisper to the Black Candle) and Chester Burge (A Peculiar Tribe of People). All great books with tons of local history, gossip, and eccentric characters. If any here are local and haven't read them you should, they are very interesting and the historical imagery is fantastic. Makes for a great summer reading list and this murder has all of the same elements (including very eccentric characters). That is why many are so drawn to this story. On that note if any middle Georgia posters on here come across copies of "Middle Georgia Magazine" snap them up, the sleuthers here would love those magazines!

While this story will no doubt be put forth in one or two books after the trial I really doubt if the writer/s will do it justice. If Amy/Joe turn out a book on the topic I won't even bother buying a copy, their one-sided "saccharine sweet" style annoys me greatly.
 
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Pretty sure the "parlor game" comment refers to this board and also to some of the Macon.com threads. The limited (known) evidence has added a new element to the whole situation, it is less about guilt or innocence and more about whether the case will be won/lost in court.

This has truly riveted many of the locals, I have never followed a murder investigation this closely before and probably never will again. A murder of this magnitude only happens here once every 50 years, or once every generation so yeah it is a big deal.

I am slowly but surely reading hard copy books on all of the infamous local murders, right now reading "Shadow Chasers" about the Woolfolk murders. Before that the book about Anjette Lyles (Whisper to the Black Candle) and Chester Burge (A Peculiar Tribe of People). All great books with tons of local history, gossip, and eccentric characters. If any here are local and haven't read them you should, they are very interesting and the historical imagery is fantastic. Makes for a great summer reading list and this murder has all of the same elements (including very eccentric characters). That is why many are so drawn to this story. On that note if any middle Georgia posters on here come across copies of "Middle Georgia Magazine" snap them up, the sleuthers here would love those magazines!

While this story will no doubt be put forth in one or two books after the trial I really doubt if the writer/s will do it justice. If Amy/Joe turn out a book on the topic I won't even bother buying a copy, their one-sided "saccharine sweet" style annoys me greatly.


Sonya, I have several of the Middle Georgia Magazines. There is an order form in them where you can order back issues and also subscribe. If I understand correctly, this magazine was published in the past by someone else. I've called a couple of places to see if they had the older magazines but can't find them. I buy a magazine when I go to Macon if a new one is available. They aren't on sale in my area of GA, about one and a half hours from Macon.
 
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Sonya, I have several of the Middle Georgia Magazines. There is an order form in them where you can order back issues and also subscribe. If I understand correctly, this magazine was published in the past by someone else. I've called a couple of places to see if they had the older magazines but can't find them. I buy a magazine when I go to Macon if a new one is available. They aren't on sale in my area of GA, about one and a half hours from Macon.

Aren't they awesome? I came across one last summer and couldn't believe how cool it was! I think the current publisher has turned out 6 or 7 issues, 3 of which are sold out. I have the others and cherish them. I keep meaning to write to the publisher and tell them to print their paypal info for online subscription, expecting people to "mail a check" and fill out an order form is just not practical in the age of Kindle, Amazon, and true crime websites. I asked my local used bookseller to get some and she now orders the new issues as they come out.

Update: Left a message for the publisher and he just called me back. Super nice guy. He said he was also the "original" publisher but the old versions weren't devoted to murder/civil war stories. Next issue will have the Woolfolk murders as well as some other pieces in it, issue is coming out now. He said he has a website in progress that will allow online ordering.
 
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Aren't they awesome? I came across one last summer and couldn't believe how cool it was! I think the current publisher has turned out 6 or 7 issues, 3 of which are sold out. I have the others and cherish them. I keep meaning to write to the publisher and tell them to print their paypal info for online subscription, expecting people to "mail a check" and fill out an order form is just not practical in the age of Kindle, Amazon, and true crime websites. I asked my local used bookseller to get some and she now orders the new issues as they come out.

Update: Left a message for the publisher and he just called me back. Super nice guy. He said he was also the "original" publisher but the old versions weren't devoted to murder/civil war stories. Next issue will have the Woolfolk murders as well as some other pieces in it, issue is coming out now. He said he has a website in progress that will allow online ordering.

I will definitely subscribe if he makes a website. I may also subscribe by mail this summer when school gets out and I can keep a thought in my head from one minute to the next. Also the Georgia Voyager magazine is a good one for general info about GA history, etc. Provides little known info about more mainstream interests. It is published 4 times a year. I use this one in my 8th grade social studies classes. A good read about life in SE GA around the Altamaha River is Tales from the Altamaha. Our community puts on a folk play each year based on a tale from this book.
 
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OC has removed the thread, and I won't post the screencap, but the first post was on April 4, 2012, and included a link to the ATL post.

Yeah it seems someone started pointing out unpleasant facts in that thread; placing the blame regarding "doxing" and such on parties other than websleuthers. Not all sleuthers are soccer moms.

:smile:
 
  • #619
Since unrelated articles on "psychopathic children" are posted here...

If the jury is majority female I predict that will benefit the defense. McDaniel has a very "feminized" face which infers lower testosterone/anger/aggression/violence on an instinctual level. Feminized male faces appeal to women in developed countries as they are less aggressive and more nurturing.

Can anyone argue that this isn't a feminized male face? It surely is! And that facial structure inspires a natural perception regarding the likelihood of violence.

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  • #620
Pretty sure the "parlor game" comment refers to this board and also to some of the Macon.com threads. The limited (known) evidence has added a new element to the whole situation, it is less about guilt or innocence and more about whether the case will be won/lost in court.

This has truly riveted many of the locals, I have never followed a murder investigation this closely before and probably never will again. A murder of this magnitude only happens here once every 50 years, or once every generation so yeah it is a big deal.


I am slowly but surely reading hard copy books on all of the infamous local murders, right now reading "Shadow Chasers" about the Woolfolk murders. Before that the book about Anjette Lyles (Whisper to the Black Candle) and Chester Burge (A Peculiar Tribe of People). All great books with tons of local history, gossip, and eccentric characters. If any here are local and haven't read them you should, they are very interesting and the historical imagery is fantastic. Makes for a great summer reading list and this murder has all of the same elements (including very eccentric characters). That is why many are so drawn to this story. On that note if any middle Georgia posters on here come across copies of "Middle Georgia Magazine" snap them up, the sleuthers here would love those magazines!

While this story will no doubt be put forth in one or two books after the trial I really doubt if the writer/s will do it justice. If Amy/Joe turn out a book on the topic I won't even bother buying a copy, their one-sided "saccharine sweet" style annoys me greatly.

bbm: This is also the first case I have ever "followed" closely as it develops.

I think people "follow" cases that catch the public's especial interest for a number of reasons ... but I do believe that for many of those people, empathy for the victim and their family and friends plays at least some role. I guess that's why "parlor game" kind of rankles. To be fair, though, The Telegraph apparently was quoting some source on that description, not assigning it independently -- and I can understand how LE, prosecution, defense, court officials, or whoever might find the interest of people on the "outside" somehow less noble than their own, and consider it only an annoyance or hindrance when it causes their own interests any problem.

That being said, though, I'm sure that, in some ways, there can be a "game-like" aspect to a case, especially as time winds on, for many of those "official" players as well. Not that they necessarily lose sight of their original purposes and concerns, but that other things enter in. It is just human nature, I believe.

As for newspapers and other media that report on crimes -- especially high-profile ones for which the coverage is continuing and extensive -- obviously that is serving the same "whodunnit" and "what's-gonna-happen-next" interests in their audience that I think are a big part of what keeps people interested in following cases through other avenues, such as crime forums.

JMO, I think for many here at WS, being "hooked" on a case for less than, umm, humanitarian reasons is part of what keeps us posting. I know it is for me. I am not discounting the empathy and the interest in seeing justice pursued that many reference often -- I just believe that, for most, there are other elements mixed in, to a greater or lesser degree.

I do have to say that I have encountered a few posters on WS whose interest seems, to me, to be so motivated almost completely by true, continuing empathy for the victim and the pain of their families and friends that it sometimes astounds me -- and, at moments, has made me feel that I might be deficient as a human being -- not everyone who plays "lip service" to that kind of concern, by any means, but a select few who seem to just kind of ... shine. In those instances, even when I don't agree with their stance on the case or on a certain point in it, I am still struck by what genuinely seems their nearly-singular motivation. Maybe those few are just a different, rare caliber of person.

OT: Sonya, about the Woolfolk case: I spent a number of years obsessively researching that case, including hours and hours with microfilm readers in the bowels of one of the libraries at a university in Atlanta, where I did major-area independent study on the case in my senior year.

I owed my interest, I guess, mostly to my long-lived grandmother, a spell-binding storyteller who captivated me from childhood with her tales of years gone by -- including ones about the Woolfolk case passed to her by her own older relatives, some of whom had close personal and especially property ties to aspects of the case. Imagine -- as a child, she spent the night in the Woolfolk murder house, not long before it burned! She had stories to tell, she did!

I still have the cassette tape recordings I made of talks with her (and others) about the case and the folklore and legends that passed down through the years about it. On one, my grandmother sings a little snatch of a folksong inspired by the murder. It is wonderful to be able to still hear her voice, colloquially yet masterfully spinning out the stories that kept a child and then a young adult transfixed, patiently considering and then answering my not-always-well-framed questions, and here and there lightening the topic with her understated but sparkling sense of humor.

My grandmother died at just shy of 102 years old. I realize more fully and consciously now how greatly blessed I was to have her in my life, and for so long ... and yet I still miss her so much.

I was working on a book about the murders, but several unexpected life crises intervened ... and before I could take it back up again, Carolyn DeLoach wrote her book (and then released an "enlarged" version, I believe, the one you are reading now). I think I have never really gotten over it.
 
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