GA - Mary & Elwyn Crocker Jr, both 14, starved, beaten & buried, Effingham Cnty, 20 Dec 2018 Arrests

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EFFINGHAM COUNTY JAIL

CROCKER, ELWYN JOHN SR

6-5-70 - 3801 CRUELTY TO CHILDREN - 1ST DEGREE F PRE-TRIAL (NO BOND) case # 1812-3041
16-10-31 CONCEALING DEATH OF ANOTHER F PRE-TRIAL (NO BOND) Case# 1812-3041


CROCKER, CANDICE HEATHER

6-10-31 CONCEALING DEATH OF ANOTHER F PRE-TRIAL (NO BOND) 1812-3041 Date of offense 12/20/2018
16-5-70 - 3801 CRUELTY TO CHILDREN - 1ST DEGREE F PRE-TRIAL (NO BOND) 1812-3041


WRIGHT, KIMBERLY RENEE

16-13-30(a) - 3510 POSSESSION OF A SCHEDULE II CONTROLLED SUBSTANCE F PRE-TRIAL (NO BOND) 1812-3041 12/20/2018
16-5-70 - 3801 CRUELTY TO CHILDREN - 1ST DEGREE F PRE-TRIAL (NO BOND) 1812-3041 12/20/2018
16-10-31 CONCEALING DEATH OF ANOTHER F PRE-TRIAL (NO BOND) 1812-3041 12/20/2018
16-13-30(a) - 3510 POSSESSION OF A SCHEDULE II CONTROLLED SUBSTANCE F PRE-TRIAL (NO BOND) 1812-3041 12/20/2018
16-13-30(a) - 3516 POSSESSION OF A SCHEDULE IV CONTROLLED SUBSTANCE F PRE-TRIAL (NO BOND) 1812-3041 12/20/2018


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[JerseyGirl]

Ex-Walmart Santa arrested after 2 bodies found in backyard

Deputies have charged the children's father, 49-year-old Elwyn Crocker, their stepmother, 33-year-old Candice Crocker, and their stepgrandmother, 50-year-old Kim Wright, with concealing the death of another and cruelty to children in the first degree.

The stepgrandmother's boyfriend, 55-year-old Roy Anthony Prater, has also been arrested. He faces the same charges as the other three suspects, plus an additional count of possession of a controlled substance.

 

[Niner]

Those charges for possession are for grandma's boy friend Roy Prater. He had those additional charges as far as I've read in all the articles.

 

[cybervampira]

Summary.

Report: Man arrested when missing siblings found dead recently played Santa

 

[sloane7777]

This happened about 10 minutes from where I live. It’s extremely shocking to have something this horrendous happen in your own area. There were signs of at least neglect leading up to this. I have a friend who’s child attended elementary school with Elwyn Jr. who saw questionable things years ago. It’s so sad.

that's sad I wish she would have said something , although you can suspect all day long so not sure it would have helped unless they have several people noticing

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Surely there will be additional charges added.

Two 14 year old children just don't up and die on their own. They had to die from gross neglect and horrific abuses that lead to homicide.

Omg!!! What evil monsters and these poor children were trapped in their evil web with no one to help them.

I don't even want to know what all they went through before death.

What so many children have to endure inside of their own homes rips my heart out. All any child wants is to be loved....protected and taken care of....


Jmo

 

[MattMatts-Momma]

I dunno, I don’t see any warm feelings radiating from her mouth. Let’s put it that way: if I were to pick a dogsitter, it wouldn’t be her.

I feel sorry for her, I really do. She obviously has some medical issues herself, such as muscular dystrophy and whatever else she may suffer from. Some issues may have been genetically passed to her son also.

I read where the dad posted that she tried to kill their son, the one who is still alive, many years ago. Part of me feels that maybe he tried to harm the child in some way and then blamed her, the mother. Which would cause him to gain full custody. Maybe the court ordered that she not have any contact with her son. IDK. All I can say is that today, after reading many comments on a local article, I am somewhat ashamed of my community for judging this woman like they have done. Some of the the comments were down right nasty.

This morning I spent a long time perusing her Facebook page and I really didn’t see anything that would cause me to raise an eyebrow. Unless I was just going to judge the book by it’s cover.

She is married to a different man, she mentions cleaning her home a lot, wakes every morning in the wee hours to see him off to work, has bouts of not feeling well, social with her family, has a couple of ways she tries to earn money to contribute to the household, shares what she cooks for dinner, etc. Loved and misses her momma and daddy who have passed. There wasn’t one mention of her struggling for money or asking for any type of assistance. There was a post she made buying either Christmas gifts or birthday gifts for her son in the event that she would get to see him. Another post asking her friends to wish him a Happy Birthday. To me it seems like she missed him. Given her own health issues, it’s likely that he was a miracle baby for her when conceived.

When this story initially broke, I also went to Elwyn Sr.’s Facebook page and took a look around. This is not something I would usually do but since this happened within a few miles of where I live I wanted to see what he was all about. The first thing that I noticed was he seemed to be well versed in bible scriptures. Not that it’s a bad thing but you would expect a higher standard from someone like that. Second, there weren’t many recent posts, most were at least two years ago. Posts of them struggling financially and asking for help. He and his current wife also seemed to have their fair of health issues/sickness. There weren’t many posts of them being social or active with their families. There were some older pictures of them with the three kids looking like a wholesome church going family. When I saw their mugshots released after I wondered what had gone wrong in their lives to cause such a sudden change in their appearances. Drugs are a big problem in this county. Maybe they got involved in drugs and their money was going to that??? IDK.

A friend of mine who has since moved from the area, told me that her child attended elementary school with Elwyn Jr. During their 5th grade year he was always asking the other kids in the cafeteria if they were going to finish what was on their lunch tray or packed lunch. He would ask if he could have it. My friend’s child said the lunch he brought from home wasn’t enough to even satisfy a toddler. My friend began packing extra for her child to share with him. That lasted all of about a week before someone told and they got in trouble for sharing. He was rail thin. My friend ended up calling the school out of concern for him. Social services was called and the parents were made to apply and take the free school lunch program for him. Why didn’t they take advantage of that program for him to start with?? Looking at the father, step-mother, step-grandmother and her boyfriend, I don’t think they were going as hungry as he was.

My point here is sometimes outward appearances are not exactly what they seem. Shiney on the outside but rotten on the inside is what comes to mind when I look at his Facebook paired with his evil actions and I know that’s not everything. So for now I am going to give the biological mom the benefit of the doubt while this story unfolds. Sorry for rambling but I needed to get all of that off my chest.

 

[Hatfield]

Surely there will be additional charges added.

Two 14 year old children just don't up and die on their own. They had to die from gross neglect and horrific abuses that lead to homicide.

Omg!!! What evil monsters and these poor children were trapped in their evil web with no one to help them.

I don't even want to know what all they went through before death.

What so many children have to endure inside of their own homes rips my heart out. All any child wants is to be loved....protected and taken care of....


Jmo

Totally agree. This is despicable. Most people take care of their pets better than this.

And for not a one of them to report that the kids were no longer around. They all had to know. Just horrendous.

Im sickened by this story and his picture may give me nightmares for days to come. Omg.

 

[MattMatts-Momma]

that's sad I wish she would have said something , although you can suspect all day long so not sure it would have helped unless they have several people noticing

She did call the school. Social services became involved and made the parents sign up for the free lunch for him. I don’t understand why if they knew they were struggling financially at times they wouldn’t have signed him to begin with. The neighbors were said to have called the police as well due to some questionable discipline. I think that the kids lives were probably a nightmare at home. The community I think is in shock that something this horrific would happen here.

 

[Hatfield]

She did call the school. Social services became involved and made the parents sign up for the free lunch for him. I don’t understand why if they knew they were struggling financially at times they wouldn’t have signed him to begin with. I think that the kids lives were probably a nightmare at home. The community I think is in shock that something this horrific would happen here.

Tell your friend thanks for trying. She sounds like a nice caring person. IMO Social Services should have done forced followup visits to that family. If for nothing else for a welfare check on their health and for clean living conditions.

When we call Social Services or Child Protective Services we expect them to do their job. So many times they fail us and fail the children. I realize it is a tough job for them and sometimes their hands are tied but it sounds like there was a call to them which should have been a huge red flag to keep an eye on this family and the kids they cared for.

Thanks again to your friend. She tried.

 

[LietKynes]

So, when Elwyn Jr. vanished ... no one from the school asked where he was ?
Many schools will require that you provide a reason for the child leaving the school district.
My thoughts are that the killer(s) lied to them, and either said he'd moved or was home schooled.

It's despicable that the last faces Mary and Elwyn Jr. probably saw were these monstrosities !

 

[MattMatts-Momma]

Tell your friend thanks for trying. She sounds like a nice caring person. IMO Social Services should have done forced followup visits to that family. If for nothing else for a welfare check on their health and for clean living conditions.

When we call Social Services or Child Protective Services we expect them to do their job. So many times they fail us and fail the children. I realize it is a tough job for them and sometimes their hands are tied but it sounds like there was a call to them which should have been a huge red flag to keep an eye on this family and the kids they cared for.

Thanks again to your friend. She tried.

Yes I will. Both her and her daughter tried to bring attention to him. I agree, social services could have done more and maybe kept up with him a little better.

 

[cybervampira]

I feel sorry for her, I really do. She obviously has some medical issues herself, such as muscular dystrophy and whatever else she may suffer from. Some issues may have been genetically passed to her son also.

I read where the dad posted that she tried to kill their son, the one who is still alive, many years ago. Part of me feels that maybe he tried to harm the child in some way and then blamed her, the mother. Which would cause him to gain full custody. Maybe the court ordered that she not have any contact with her son. IDK. All I can say is that today, after reading many comments on a local article, I am somewhat ashamed of my community for judging this woman like they have done. Some of the the comments were down right nasty.

This morning I spent a long time perusing her Facebook page and I really didn’t see anything that would cause me to raise an eyebrow. Unless I was just going to judge the book by it’s cover.

She is married to a different man, she mentions cleaning her home a lot, wakes every morning in the wee hours to see him off to work, has bouts of not feeling well, social with her family, has a couple of ways she tries to earn money to contribute to the household, shares what she cooks for dinner, etc. Loved and misses her momma and daddy who have passed. There wasn’t one mention of her struggling for money or asking for any type of assistance. There was a post she made buying either Christmas gifts or birthday gifts for her son in the event that she would get to see him. Another post asking her friends to wish him a Happy Birthday. To me it seems like she missed him. Given her own health issues, it’s likely that he was a miracle baby for her when conceived.

When this story initially broke, I also went to Elwyn Sr.’s Facebook page and took a look around. This is not something I would usually do but since this happened within a few miles of where I live I wanted to see what he was all about. The first thing that I noticed was he seemed to be well versed in bible scriptures. Not that it’s a bad thing but you would expect a higher standard from someone like that. Second, there weren’t many recent posts, most were at least two years ago. Posts of them struggling financially and asking for help. He and his current wife also seemed to have their fair of health issues/sickness. There weren’t many posts of them being social or active with their families. There were some older pictures of them with the three kids looking like a wholesome church going family. When I saw their mugshots released after I wondered what had gone wrong in their lives to cause such a sudden change in their appearances. Drugs are a big problem in this county. Maybe they got involved in drugs and their money was going to that??? IDK.

A friend of mine who has since moved from the area, told me that her child attended elementary school with Elwyn Jr. During their 5th grade year he was always asking the other kids in the cafeteria if they were going to finish what was on their lunch tray or packed lunch. He would ask if he could have it. My friend’s child said the lunch he brought from home wasn’t enough to even satisfy a toddler. My friend began packing extra for her child to share with him. That lasted all of about a week before someone told and they got in trouble for sharing. He was rail thin. My friend ended up calling the school out of concern for him. Social services was called and the parents were made to apply and take the free school lunch program for him. Why didn’t they take advantage of that program for him to start with?? Looking at the father, step-mother, step-grandmother and her boyfriend, I don’t think they were going as hungry as he was.

My point here is sometimes outward appearances are not exactly what they seem. Shiney on the outside but rotten on the inside is what comes to mind when I look at his Facebook paired with his evil actions and I know that’s not everything. So for now I am going to give the biological mom the benefit of the doubt while this story unfolds. Sorry for rambling but I needed to get all of that off my chest.

No need to apologize. Thanks for the interesting insights.

I agree, one cannot judge people based on their Facebook. I‘ve seen too many Facebook profiles of convicted murderers who cited bible verses. To be honest, I‘m even more suspicious of those, lol.

As to the bio mom, it’s just a bad feeling I get when I hear her talk. I didn’t expect a highly educated and super-healthy helicopter mom, but I get the impression she‘s lacking heartiness and joviality, she‘s more about resentments and recriminations. Not saying I don’t have compassion for her, I just wouldn’t let her sit my dog. But that’s just me.

 

[MattMatts-Momma]

So, when Elwyn Jr. vanished ... no one from the school asked where he was ?
Many schools will require that you provide a reason for the child leaving the school district.
My thoughts are that the killer(s) lied to them, and either said he'd moved or was home schooled.

It's despicable that the last faces Mary and Elwyn Jr. probably saw were these monstrosities !

In our county we have a very strict attendance policy. Even if you are approaching the limit of days that will trigger a letter mailed home explains the attempt policy. Miss too many and you as the parent either get arrested or need to go to court.

They were said to have unenrolled him at the school to homeschool him. Usually if you unenroll they eventually call you and ask why another school hasn’t requested the students records. On Elwyn Sr’s Facebook page he did mention (one post) the homeschool programs they were using. Sixth grade was his last enrollment year in school, he would’ve been in 11th grade now.

They did move across the county from where they were living to where this happened. I read where one of the neighbors said he never saw Elwyn Jr. at the house where he was found buried.

 

[MattMatts-Momma]

No need to apologize. Thanks for the interesting insights.

I agree, one cannot judge people based on their Facebook. I‘ve seen too many Facebook profiles of convicted murderers who cited bible verses. To be honest, I‘m even more suspicious of those, lol.

As to the bio mom, it’s just a bad feeling I get when I hear her talk. I didn’t expect a highly educated and super-healthy helicopter mom, but I get the impression she‘s lacking heartiness and joviality, she‘s more about resentments and recriminations. Not saying I don’t have compassion for her, I just wouldn’t let her sit my dog. But that’s just me.

I hear ya! I’m leery of some of those as well.

I feel for her I really do.

 

[LietKynes]

In our county we have a very strict attendance policy. Even if you are approaching the limit of days that will trigger a letter mailed home explains the attempt policy. Miss too many and you as the parent either get arrested or need to go to court.

They were said to have unenrolled him at the school to homeschool him. Usually if you unenroll they eventually call you and ask why another school hasn’t requested the students records. On Elwyn Sr’s Facebook page he did mention (one post) the homeschool programs they were using. Sixth grade was his last enrollment year in school, he would’ve been in 11th grade now.

They did move across the county from where they were living to where this happened. I read where one of the neighbors said he never saw Elwyn Jr. at the house where he was found buried.

SABBM

^^^ The bolded section is chilling.
Whenever someone's child is no longer seen anywhere in public or private, that is a problem that CPS needs to improve upon. Why couldn't they conduct a welfare check on these teens ?
Whether home schooled or publicly educated , when a child disappears from public view, that usually doesn't bode well.
The authorities failed Mary and Elwyn miserably.

There are other cases here at WS where a child/children were murdered.... and often people will say they didn't see them after a time, or sometimes not at all.
Lucas Hernandez' family (after voicing concerns) were denied access to him by his biological father and stepmom ; and we know how that turned out.

 

[watcher9]

SABBM

^^^ The bolded section is chilling.
Whenever someone's child is no longer seen anywhere in public or private, that is a problem that CPS needs to improve upon. Why couldn't they conduct a welfare check on these teens ?
Whether home schooled or publicly educated , when a child disappears from public view, that usually doesn't bode well.
The authorities failed Mary and Elwyn miserably.

There are other cases here at WS where a child/children were murdered.... and often people will say they didn't see them after a time, or sometimes not at all.
Lucas Hernandez' family (after voicing concerns) were denied access to him by his biological father and stepmom ; and we know how that turned out.

CPS had apparently already checked out the family and found no problems. In split families, children can be shuffled from one parent to another or to a grandparent or sibling. Sometimes it is hard to keep up. They may have told the neighbors that their son had moved in with another relative. It's possible that when they moved to this house, the neighbors in this area may have thought the couple only had two children and would never have known there was a teenage boy living there, if he was even living at the time. They could have moved his body from one place to the new one. This crime was uncovered when the daughter's disappearance was reported. Don't know by whom?

LE is waiting on autopsy results before determining if the children were even murdered or died of a sickness. I hope they will be able to determine a cause in view of the circumstances. IMO I would assume it to be murder in both cases. It might have been somewhat understandable if both children died of a sickness at the same time (like the flu) but it would be very very unusual for both children to have died of a sickness at the same age two years apart.

Back in the old days, some families would bury their dead on their own land. Apparently it could still be legal to do so in Georgia and most other states, depending on local zoning laws, and if they receive approval. In their case, they live in a small subdivision so would never have received any approval. Another problem they have is in Georgia they have to have filed a death certificate first and these deaths were not reported.

In Georgia, a death certificate must be filed with the local health department within 72 hours. (Georgia Code § 31-10-15(b).)

http://coeio.com/burial-laws-state/
Burial & Cremation Laws in Georgia

 

[watcher9]

I feel sorry for her, I really do. She obviously has some medical issues herself, such as muscular dystrophy and whatever else she may suffer from. Some issues may have been genetically passed to her son also.

I read where the dad posted that she tried to kill their son, the one who is still alive, many years ago. Part of me feels that maybe he tried to harm the child in some way and then blamed her, the mother. Which would cause him to gain full custody. Maybe the court ordered that she not have any contact with her son. IDK. All I can say is that today, after reading many comments on a local article, I am somewhat ashamed of my community for judging this woman like they have done. Some of the the comments were down right nasty.

This morning I spent a long time perusing her Facebook page and I really didn’t see anything that would cause me to raise an eyebrow. Unless I was just going to judge the book by it’s cover.

She is married to a different man, she mentions cleaning her home a lot, wakes every morning in the wee hours to see him off to work, has bouts of not feeling well, social with her family, has a couple of ways she tries to earn money to contribute to the household, shares what she cooks for dinner, etc. Loved and misses her momma and daddy who have passed. There wasn’t one mention of her struggling for money or asking for any type of assistance. There was a post she made buying either Christmas gifts or birthday gifts for her son in the event that she would get to see him. Another post asking her friends to wish him a Happy Birthday. To me it seems like she missed him. Given her own health issues, it’s likely that he was a miracle baby for her when conceived.

When this story initially broke, I also went to Elwyn Sr.’s Facebook page and took a look around. This is not something I would usually do but since this happened within a few miles of where I live I wanted to see what he was all about. The first thing that I noticed was he seemed to be well versed in bible scriptures. Not that it’s a bad thing but you would expect a higher standard from someone like that. Second, there weren’t many recent posts, most were at least two years ago. Posts of them struggling financially and asking for help. He and his current wife also seemed to have their fair of health issues/sickness. There weren’t many posts of them being social or active with their families. There were some older pictures of them with the three kids looking like a wholesome church going family. When I saw their mugshots released after I wondered what had gone wrong in their lives to cause such a sudden change in their appearances. Drugs are a big problem in this county. Maybe they got involved in drugs and their money was going to that??? IDK.

A friend of mine who has since moved from the area, told me that her child attended elementary school with Elwyn Jr. During their 5th grade year he was always asking the other kids in the cafeteria if they were going to finish what was on their lunch tray or packed lunch. He would ask if he could have it. My friend’s child said the lunch he brought from home wasn’t enough to even satisfy a toddler. My friend began packing extra for her child to share with him. That lasted all of about a week before someone told and they got in trouble for sharing. He was rail thin. My friend ended up calling the school out of concern for him. Social services was called and the parents were made to apply and take the free school lunch program for him. Why didn’t they take advantage of that program for him to start with?? Looking at the father, step-mother, step-grandmother and her boyfriend, I don’t think they were going as hungry as he was.

My point here is sometimes outward appearances are not exactly what they seem. Shiney on the outside but rotten on the inside is what comes to mind when I look at his Facebook paired with his evil actions and I know that’s not everything. So for now I am going to give the biological mom the benefit of the doubt while this story unfolds. Sorry for rambling but I needed to get all of that off my chest.

Thank you.

 

[FlossiePotts]

These are four very ugly people

 

[JerseyGirl]

Dead children never reported missing were homeschooled

14-year-old Mary Crocker disappeared in October and her brother Elwyn Crocker Jr. disappeared in 2016 when he was 14.

A living 11-year-old child with cerebral palsy was taken from the home and placed this week in the care of his mother, Rebecca Self, of South Carolina.

Despite noticing signs of possible abuse, neighbors and acquaintances didn’t report their suspicions to authorities.