GA - Mary & Elwyn Crocker Jr, both 14, starved, beaten & buried, Effingham Cnty, 20 Dec 2018 Arrests

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MattMatt's-Momma said:
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My friend began packing extra for her child to share with him. That lasted all of about a week before someone told and they got in trouble for sharing. He was rail thin.

What? :confused: got in trouble for sharing? You mean you can't share these days??!! :(

I have to quit following cases I can't access court sites.... but just can't help it on some - like this one.
 
  • #62
She did call the school. Social services became involved and made the parents sign up for the free lunch for him. I don’t understand why if they knew they were struggling financially at times they wouldn’t have signed him to begin with. The neighbors were said to have called the police as well due to some questionable discipline. I think that the kids lives were probably a nightmare at home. The community I think is in shock that something this horrific would happen here.

Good I just saw that on your last post , I bet she feels awful too , poor sweet kids and they are both so cute I just don't get how you could do anything bad to those sweet little faces :(
 
  • #63
What? :confused: got in trouble for sharing? You mean you can't share these days??!! :(

I have to quit following cases I can't access court sites.... but just can't help it on some - like this one.

Yes, in trouble. No good deed goes unpunished. I can’t follow most of the cases. Following this one because it’s about 10 miles from where I live. Last case I followed was the Caylee Anthony case.
 
  • #64
Good I just saw that on your last post , I bet she feels awful too , poor sweet kids and they are both so cute I just don't get how you could do anything bad to those sweet little faces :(

They are pure evil.
 
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She did call the school. Social services became involved and made the parents sign up for the free lunch for him. I don’t understand why if they knew they were struggling financially at times they wouldn’t have signed him to begin with. The neighbors were said to have called the police as well due to some questionable discipline. I think that the kids lives were probably a nightmare at home. The community I think is in shock that something this horrific would happen here.
BBM

How sad if this is accurate.
It's too bad CPS didn't follow up on these reports by the neighbors !
I shudder to think what those neighbors may have seen or heard. :(
 
  • #67
BBM

How sad if this is accurate.
It's too bad CPS didn't follow up on these reports by the neighbors !
I shudder to think what those neighbors may have seen or heard. :(
Yep, those kids must have been put through hell. IMO they were doomed from the start. I'll never understand why and how people are capable of causing innocent children so much harm.

I no longer subscribe to any "snapped" theory in these cases; I've come to believe that on some level the perps are feeding a desire to hurt for their own personal reasons and IMO some even get pleasure from it. MOO.
 
  • #68
No, no "snapped" theory any more here too MsMarple!

Anyone get into Georgia court site? @cybervampira ??

Any court dates coming up?! :)
and

Happy New Year to you all!
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Thanks for the link to court site. Hopefully, they will have some thing up soon!
I'll put it on my "daily list" for look ups! :)
 
  • #71
They are pure evil.

And there are SO many others who are pure evil as well.

The epidemic of gross neglect and horrible abuses against innocent children seems to be spreading like a lethal toxin. It never seems to get better and only worsens.

Its one of society's dirty little secrets. For years it seemed all the media cared to cover were cases only involving a stranger to the child victim/s yet that only occurs 5 percent of the time!

The media never wanted to expose which enemy does the majority of grave harm to precious children including unbelievable neglect and gross abuses such as beatings...repeated rapes and murders.

Yet they completely ignored 95 percent of the victims who had been victimized most often by one or both bio parents and dwelled on the 5 percent. In doing so the media failed for so long in exposing who children really have to fear the most.

As a childhood abuse survivor nothing has made me any more upset how for so long society as a whole didnt want to talk about the real enemy abused children face every day of their lives.

The problem will never get better for all of these abused children until all of society is willing to accept the harsh fact that most all abused children who cruelly endure horrific acts on a continuous basis are perpetrated by their parent or parents or one parent teaming up with a live in partner. THEY by far are the worst enemy to abused children they will ever face while growing up if they are not killed before then.

We know of many like these two innocent children but there are thousands more just like them right now and for those who havent been killed they cry out in the middle of the night but no one who cares can hear their pleas for help.

The worst betrayal that can ever happen to a child is for their parent/s to neglect and abuse them with many of them becoming homicide victims.

I have said it many times and I will keep repeating it because it is the truth.

'The worst enemy children will ever face during their childhood are the very ones who live inside of the home with them.'

We must do better. We must call authorities if we believe something isnt right when it comes to the maltreatment of any child.

Sometime those on the outside of the home are the only hope children have of being saved from the nightmare hell that never ends.

God please help all of society's abused children. Please bring them out of the darkness to the beautiful light where they will be protected..safe and loved.
 
  • #72
Zahra, Erica, Adam...welcomed Elwyn, jr & Mary....
 
  • #73
Zahra, Erica, Adam...welcomed Elwyn, jr & Mary....

So true Laughing..so true.

Sadly the list of innocent little children's names are long and seems never ending. We already know there will be more.

Our graveyards all across our country are filled with the graves of children who never had a chance to bloom like the beautiful precious flowers they were.

Nothing breaks my heart any more than the little lives that have been brutally taken by the most evil among us.

Plus knowing how so many have suffered horrible abuses at the hands of those who should have been there always protecting and nurturing them for all children born are true blessings from God imo. Each one so special in their own way. We know there are many more out there too of them with their names unknown to any of us at this time.

It's gutwrenching to me as I know it is to everyone here to know what is being done to the most vulnerable and innocent.

Even though abused children have always existed it seems the way they are abused is even more sick and twisted now. Now moms are participating in sexual assault of their own children teaming up with a pedophile or selling video of the demonic acts online. Now they will sell their children for drugs or a six pack of beer. Fathers continue to rape their children..both little boys and girls. Yet in so many cases the damn judges will give the POSs a short sentence or no time at all receiving probation.

Even now in today's time in our court system child victims seem to still have less value and even less value if their abuser and murderer was their own mother.

Imo we as a society are still continue to fail our children on so many levels.

As a child's advocate I dont know of anything that haunts me more.

I pray that one day ALL victimized children will be treated equally no matter who their offender happens to be.

Sorry for the long post but this subject is so important.

Jmo
 
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  • #74
And there are SO many others who are pure evil as well.

The epidemic of gross neglect and horrible abuses against innocent children seems to be spreading like a lethal toxin. It never seems to get better and only worsens.

Its one of society's dirty little secrets. For years it seemed all the media cared to cover were cases only involving a stranger to the child victim/s yet that only occurs 5 percent of the time!

The media never wanted to expose which enemy does the majority of grave harm to precious children including unbelievable neglect and gross abuses such as beatings...repeated rapes and murders.

Yet they completely ignored 95 percent of the victims who had been victimized most often by one or both bio parents and dwelled on the 5 percent. In doing so the media failed for so long in exposing who children really have to fear the most.

As a childhood abuse survivor nothing has made me any more upset how for so long society as a whole didnt want to talk about the real enemy abused children face every day of their lives.

The problem will never get better for all of these abused children until all of society is willing to accept the harsh fact that most all abused children who cruelly endure horrific acts on a continuous basis are perpetrated by their parent or parents or one parent teaming up with a live in partner. THEY by far are the worst enemy to abused children they will ever face while growing up if they are not killed before then.

We know of many like these two innocent children but there are thousands more just like them right now and for those who havent been killed they cry out in the middle of the night but no one who cares can hear their pleas for help.

The worst betrayal that can ever happen to a child is for their parent/s to neglect and abuse them with many of them becoming homicide victims.

I have said it many times and I will keep repeating it because it is the truth.

'The worst enemy children will ever face during their childhood are the very ones who live inside of the home with them.'

We must do better. We must call authorities if we believe something isnt right when it comes to the maltreatment of any child.

Sometime those on the outside of the home are the only hope children have of being saved from the nightmare hell that never ends.

God please help all of society's abused children. Please bring them out of the darkness to the beautiful light where they will be protected..safe and loved.

My daughter stayed over with a friend last Friday about 2 miles away from where this happened. I picked them up Saturday and took them to get their nails done. Her friend had a friend who knew Mary. We talked in the car about what happened and reiterated that if they ever see anything questionable at school with their classmates to please say something to someone. The kids definitely spend a fair amount of time with their classmates and usually notice when something isn’t quite right for someone. If it turns out to be nothing then so be it but if it isn’t they may be the help someone needs.
 
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Looks like most of these are for non-payment of rent. I really feel like they must have gotten wrapped up with drugs and that’s why they didn’t have any money.

It may be drugs or alcohol or some other substance. Was any of them employed? Some just live on welfare. Some people have money but just don't bother to pay their bills or they just skip town.

The latest entry was dated March 6 2018. Were they still living in Rincon then? Are all of these entries from multiple missed payments or the same incident? According to tax records, there are no Crockers, Wright or Prater who own any property on Rose Bud which is in Guyton so they may be renting there too.

Rincon and Guyton are in different school districts in Effingham County. When did each of the children transfer to another school or drop off the school records? Were each of them able to start high school when they began to "homeschool"?

Elwyn Jr is suspected to have been dead two years (2016/17?) and Mary two months? Did she go trick-or-treating or was she dead before Halloween?

Relative says she and other family members would have taken the children in

Family member of Effingham Co. teens found dead, buried in yard speaks out
 
  • #77
It may be drugs or alcohol or some other substance. Was any of them employed? Some just live on welfare. Some people have money but just don't bother to pay their bills or they just skip town.

The latest entry was dated March 6 2018. Were they still living in Rincon then? Are all of these entries from multiple missed payments or the same incident? According to tax records, there are no Crockers, Wright or Prater who own any property on Rose Bud which is in Guyton so they may be renting there too.

Rincon and Guyton are in different school districts in Effingham County. When did each of the children transfer to another school or drop off the school records? Were each of them able to start high school when they began to "homeschool"?

Elwyn Jr is suspected to have been dead two years (2016/17?) and Mary two months? Did she go trick-or-treating or was she dead before Halloween?

Relative says she and other family members would have taken the children in

Family member of Effingham Co. teens found dead, buried in yard speaks out

The dad, Elwyn Sr. worked at the Rincon Walmart. I think I read somewhere that the stepmother worked at Subway inside Walmart. I didn’t hear of any mention of where the other two worked. When I reviewed his FB page there were several mentions of them struggling financially and that the children’s biological mothers weren’t paying their child support to him.

They had been living at the Rosebud address for 2 years, renting I’m sure. One of the neighbors said he never saw Elwyn Jr at this house. It could be possibly that he may not have been alive at that time already. The incidents that come up are probably all for the same thing. They were probably evicted for non-payment. The landlord is probably just trying to get his money. When you look up Elwyn Sr. you can see the multiple addresses they have lived at over the years. They probably bounced around not paying rent.

Rincon and Guyton along with Sprinfield are small cities within the county. Each have their own schools but they are all within the Effingham County school district. I’m not even sure if the Rosebud address would even be consider in the “city” of Guyton. I would think they would be out of the city limits. As an example we have a Guyton address but we are probably 15 miles from the City of Guyton. The last enrollment year for Mary was 2017-18, so last year. I think they said she went to Ebenezer Middle School. So this would make sense for her to go there living at the current Rosebud address. The last year that Elwyn Jr. went to school was during 6th grade and likely would have been around 2013 or 2014. He went to South Effingham Middle, which is about 2 miles from my house. Previously he attended Sandhill Elementary. The kids from Sandhill are zoned for South Effingham Middle. So they must have moved sometime after that and “homeschooled” him from then on. Sadly neither of them lived long enough to get to high school.

That’s a good question about her being seen trick or treating. That would give a better estimate of how long she was missing prior. I don’t know the answer to if she was seen or not.

This is one of those cases I wouldn’t mind being on jury duty for.
 
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  • #78
watcher9 said:
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Elwyn Jr is suspected to have been dead two years (2016/17?) and Mary two months? Did she go trick-or-treating or was she dead before Halloween?

Here's what I have in my notes. Unfortunately no "exact" date in Oct. of Mary or date in Nov. for Elwyn.
Welfare check & possible missing juvenile discovered bodies. Mary was last seen Oct. 2018 & Elwyn in Nov. 2016. Neither had been official reported missing.

If you find one - please post & update my notes. TIA!
 
  • #79
A fifth arrest was made today. Step-mothers brother who was also living in the home. Mark Anthony Wright, Candice Crocker’s brother.

Wright Gazaway WTOC
 
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