GA - Parents Arrested for Giving Kids Tattoos

[southcitymom]

What do you think parents would say if you did that now?
If anybody did that to my kid, they'd have a lot to worry about.

My brother's "girlfriend" gave him a Linda-type piercing when he was 13 or 14. He fainted dead away at the site of his own blood. My parents weren't too hopped up - they did tell my brother that his actions were sure to effect his "cool" quotient at school, and they asked him to clean the blood up out of the carpet.

 

[not_my_kids]

Ew, gross. That makes it worse. Unless the bio mother is completely out of their lives/in prison, it seems like something she should have a say in.

That's what bothers me the most. She must be in their lives because they went to visit her and that's when the whole thing got exposed and DCAFS called in.

I don't know what my reaction would be if my child's step parent chose to tattoo them. The words, "not pretty" come to mind.

 

[WhyaDuck?]

Have you ever witnessed one of these?

""The centuries-old practice, called metzizah bi peh or metzitzah b'peh, involves a mohel using his mouth to suction blood from the wound after the foreskin is removed. The ritual is used by Hasidic and ultra-Orthodox Jews."
http://www.cirp.org/news/thejournalnews12-17-05/"

I haven't. But that doesn't stop me from forming an opinion about it.

I happen to believe circumcision is unneceassry. It's my opinion.

Are you saying if these particluar boys are happy and healthy and suffer no long term effects than it's okay? You're losing me..........

This is a vast, vast minority of Jews who practice this, and the state is attempting to stop the practice, so I see few people saying, "Hey, this is a great thing."

 

[Missizzy]

A few years ago a middle school teacher in our town went on a long distance field trip with her class. She signed a document that she was four of the male students' aunt so they could get their ears pierced. I had a daughter (and my husband) on the trip, so our family wasn't effected. I was absolutely dumbstruck that this teacher made this choice but equally shocked when no one complained. This person is a great teacher and a lovely person. I think we just have very different opinions on what is and isn't appropriate with other people's kids. This is why I asked the question a few pages back concerning the bio-mom's connection to the kids.

To throw a little fuel on the fire, does anyone find it ironic that in some states (Oregon is one), where a child can get an abortion or have a birth control device implanted without parents' knowledge or consent? Our high school kids have their own clinic and can get pelvic exams, STD/HIV testing, general medical exams and be given meds without their parents' knowledge.

I understand the need for Oregon's law (the protection of girls in abusive homes/situations) and actually voted for it but I am very conflicted about it. I've worked hard to develop an open line of communication with my kids but it would have crushed me to find out that a daughter had made such a life-changing decision without me and my husband to support her and be watchful of her health. And here we're debating a step-mom doing some tacky tattoos.

When it comes to our children and life choices, it seems to me that we are highly sensitive, opinionated, and out-spoken. Once again, I'm thankful that our forums are so tightly monitored as it could get ugly really quickly.

 

[mayelf]

I used to have a friend who tattooed people with an actual tattoo gun, at home, and in georgia (which is ironic) but anyways even with the proper tattoo gun it was extremely unsanitary. I would be more concerned that this incident could have had a health risk. There was usually LOTS of blood. And no one used gloves to clean up the blood. The blood also did get around the needle up in the shaft so just changing the needle wasn't very sanitary (which is what my friend did).

People do pierce their own children, I wonder what the punishment for that is? Just remember that piercing a child's ears usually there is not any blood involved, and tattooing there is. I have a permanent ear infection because I let my friend's pierce my ears when I was little. I would not suggest ever letting anyone pierce you, or tattoo you, without the proper sanitary training and tools.

 

[MomofBoys]

There's also actual real data out there indicating that such "lower risk" doesn't amount to a hill of beans. In America, most circumcisions are performed for religious reasons or for vanity reasons...."we" like cut better not because we think it's healthier or more sanitary, but because we've been conditioned to consider it more clean and attractive. It is an unnecessary cosmetic procedure.

And I disagree. It depends on whose data you choose to believe. If you think CIRP is the end all and be all as a lot of anti-circ people do, then you can read one set of spun numbers. Same thing with pro-circ websites. If you try to seek out objective information, you'll find that SOME of the benefits are overblown, but that there is a legitimate decrease in the risk of some penile cancers.

I'm a vaguely intelligent person who likes to research the heck out of everything. I would not have chosen circumcision if I didn't feel that there were benefits, and the cosmetic is not a priority to me. Yes, my husband is circumcised and that played a role in the decision. At no point did a pretty penis enter our mindsets, LOL.

 

[southcitymom]

....... Yes, my husband is circumcised and that played a role in the decision. At no point did a pretty penis enter our mindsets, LOL.

(respectfully snipped by me)

In my experience, a family almost always wants their son's penis to look like his Dad's penis - that's "pretty" to most folks.

 

[southcitymom]

And I disagree. It depends on whose data you choose to believe. If you think CIRP is the end all and be all as a lot of anti-circ people do, then you can read one set of spun numbers. Same thing with pro-circ websites. If you try to seek out objective information, you'll find that SOME of the benefits are overblown, but that there is a legitimate decrease in the risk of some penile cancers.

I'm a vaguely intelligent person who likes to research the heck out of everything. I would not have chosen circumcision if I didn't feel that there were benefits, and the cosmetic is not a priority to me. Yes, my husband is circumcised and that played a role in the decision. At no point did a pretty penis enter our mindsets, LOL.

UBM

I'm not familiar with that website, but maybe I will check it out!

 

[MomofBoys]

(respectfully snipped by me)

In my experience, a family almost always wants their son's penis to look like his Dad's penis - that's "pretty" to most folks.

Yeah, but that "pretty" goes both ways. If he was uncirc'd, then that would likely have played a big role into an opposite choice. I personally find nothing pretty about a penis, period, LOL. They're completely funky looking.

But on point (heh) I really believe that wanting the penis to look like the dad's is not a invalid reason. I don't think it's a good sole reason, but what little boy doesn't want to be like his daddy? Cliche reasoning, perhaps, but I don't think it's insignificant to a little boy.

In terms of the tattooing thing: I just don't think a ten year-old should be tattooed, under any circumstances. Particularly when it's against the law and done at home with questionable sanitation standards. Did you know seamstresses can't even donate blood in some areas because they share needles?

Tattooing is different than piercing in that piercings can close. Piercing is usually done in fleshy appendages that readily show inflammation and infection. It's not a bloody procedure, and blood poisoning is incredibly rare. It's rare in tattooing, too, but that's in a state-monitored facility that is forced to maintain cleanliness standards.

 

[not_my_kids]

I used to have a friend who tattooed people with an actual tattoo gun, at home, and in georgia (which is ironic) but anyways even with the proper tattoo gun it was extremely unsanitary. I would be more concerned that this incident could have had a health risk. There was usually LOTS of blood. And no one used gloves to clean up the blood. The blood also did get around the needle up in the shaft so just changing the needle wasn't very sanitary (which is what my friend did).

People do pierce their own children, I wonder what the punishment for that is? Just remember that piercing a child's ears usually there is not any blood involved, and tattooing there is. I have a permanent ear infection because I let my friend's pierce my ears when I was little. I would not suggest ever letting anyone pierce you, or tattoo you, without the proper sanitary training and tools.

The tubes are supposed to be changed or sterilized between uses, and gloves worn always...sorry, I read what you wrote and it made me a little queasy. Seeing how they are supposed to be done and hearing some of the stories on the other ways they are done....ewww.
My main concern about this is the health risk, not even the tattoos themselves. Any kind of body modification done without proper supplies and sanitation equipment is unsafe. MOO.

 

[oh_gal]

Saw the "tat mom" (named her that only to differentiate between her and "bio" mom of some of the kids) on the news. Having said that, I'm surprised we didn't hear about this family years ago.

 

[Missizzy]

Folks--Nine sons over here, one husband, three grandsons. I'll weigh in once on the circumcision issue and that's it for me. Six in-tact, seven circumcised. All are working as designed and all looked great to me last time I checked--as recently as last night and as long ago as about 30 years ago. There's no way on God's green earth that we're going to reach consensus on this very polarizing (but important) issue on this forum. Can we agree to leave each to their own choice in this matter and return to something we might be able to agree about.....red or white?

For me, it's a big honkin' glass of white right now. Done.

 

[montana_16]

I feel that these parents shouldn't have done this at all. I think it was wrong to do.

I only saw the short video of the mom and I just don't think they meant wrong . I don't feel they should be too hard on them. Maybe go to classes or something to do better, make better decisions. I don't see them as puposefully harmful people.

But the mom needs to quit saying we didn't do anything wrong.

I'm only going on the story and the little I've seen of the mom, so I could be wrong.

 

[mayelf]

The tubes are supposed to be changed or sterilized between uses, and gloves worn always...sorry, I read what you wrote and it made me a little queasy. Seeing how they are supposed to be done and hearing some of the stories on the other ways they are done....ewww.
My main concern about this is the health risk, not even the tattoos themselves. Any kind of body modification done without proper supplies and sanitation equipment is unsafe. MOO.

Yes, that's what I meant for my point.. just because someone has a tattoo gun, or tattooing equipment does not mean they know the proper way to clean, and sterilize it. I would imagine these parent's making their own tattooing gun, would not know the proper way to sterilize it.

 

[southcitymom]

Yeah, but that "pretty" goes both ways. If he was uncirc'd, then that would likely have played a big role into an opposite choice. .......

Respectfully snipped and UBM:

Absolutely - I did not mean to imply otherwise!

 

[Linda7NJ]

What do you think parents would say if you did that now?
If anybody did that to my kid, they'd have a lot to worry about.

I'm quite sure that if it happened today, the parents would lawyer up and attempt to sue my parents for my maiming their darling teens for life.

 

[Linda7NJ]

And I disagree. It depends on whose data you choose to believe. If you think CIRP is the end all and be all as a lot of anti-circ people do, then you can read one set of spun numbers. Same thing with pro-circ websites. If you try to seek out objective information, you'll find that SOME of the benefits are overblown, but that there is a legitimate decrease in the risk of some penile cancers.

I'm a vaguely intelligent person who likes to research the heck out of everything. I would not have chosen circumcision if I didn't feel that there were benefits, and the cosmetic is not a priority to me. Yes, my husband is circumcised and that played a role in the decision. At no point did a pretty penis enter our mindsets, LOL.

I am very curious as to how many people actually make the argument that they want their son's to "look like daddy" ..... how many men & their sons stand around and compare? IMO It's the most ridiculous justification ever. Would you dye your son's hair to match the color of daddy's? have your son wear contacts so they can share the same eye color?

 

[Linda7NJ]

Yes, that's what I meant for my point.. just because someone has a tattoo gun, or tattooing equipment does not mean they know the proper way to clean, and sterilize it. I would imagine these parent's making their own tattooing gun, would not know the proper way to sterilize it.

Personally, I am impressed with their ingenuity! I, never, in a million years, could design and make a working tattoo gun! Is there some sort of manual online? Or did they totally engineer this thing?

Sterilization...I have that covered.........

 

[not_my_kids]

How to's are everywhere online.

And no one without an autoclave has sterilization covered.

 

[Linda7NJ]

Yes, that's what I meant for my point.. just because someone has a tattoo gun, or tattooing equipment does not mean they know the proper way to clean, and sterilize it. I would imagine these parent's making their own tattooing gun, would not know the proper way to sterilize it.

I have a microwave

The results were unambiguous: Two minutes of microwaving on full power mode killed or inactivated more than 99 percent of all the living pathogens in the sponges and pads, although the Bacillus cereus spores required four minutes for total inactivation.

http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2007-01/uof-rmo012207.php

and an oven & bleach....