GA - Parents Arrested for Giving Kids Tattoos

[not_my_kids]

I have a microwave

The results were unambiguous: Two minutes of microwaving on full power mode killed or inactivated more than 99 percent of all the living pathogens in the sponges and pads, although the Bacillus cereus spores required four minutes for total inactivation.

http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2007-01/uof-rmo012207.php

and an oven & bleach....

You can give herself worms if you want (ever seen a skin worm, they can grow to over 6 inches and you can get one from improper sterilization) but keep that method away from me.

Bleach and ink don't mix.

And good luck microwaving a metal tattoo gun or the meltable plastic parts.

LOL. :twocents:

EDIT: This really wasn't meant with the apparent level of snark. It was just to show that no matter how much you know about sanitation, there are different rules for tattoos and the associated equipment. What ever these parents did to clean it between uses (if they did) if it was done without the right equipment, it wasn't enough.

 

[southcitymom]

I'm quite sure that if it happened today, the parents would lawyer up and attempt to sue my parents for my maiming their darling teens for life.

That would teach you!

 

[southcitymom]

I am very curious as to how many people actually make the argument that they want their son's to "look like daddy" ..... how many men & their sons stand around and compare? IMO It's the most ridiculous justification ever. Would you dye your son's hair to match the color of daddy's? have your son wear contacts so they can share the same eye color?

I've just heard that sentiment a lot from both men and women - "we want him to look like his Dad" - it's very common, I think. Also, for so many years, the vast majority of American boys were automatically circumcised and so I think parents worried that uncut boys might get teased in the locker room.

I also know some women who think uncut penises are gross....which is hilarious to me, because as MomofBoys points out, penises are penises, none of them are going to win a beauty contest! Plus, IMHO, they all look alike when they're happy to see you!

Also, in years prior, it was fashionable to denounce uncut penises as unsanitary.

Those attitudes are changing a lot, I think.

Back to the renegade tattoo artists.....the Dad and stepmom should have probably thought this through a little more and, as the stepmom said in one article, I doubt they would have done it had they known what a ruckus it was going to start.

Obviously the fact that their bio-Mom wasn't involved in the decision added a lot of heat to the fire....in fact, she might have added all the heat because she's the one that got authorities involved. If a Mom and Dad had done this, I doubt DFACs would have been brought in.

I still don't consider this abuse at all.

 

[oh_gal]

I am very curious as to how many people actually make the argument that they want their son's to "look like daddy" ..... how many men & their sons stand around and compare? IMO It's the most ridiculous justification ever. Would you dye your son's hair to match the color of daddy's? have your son wear contacts so they can share the same eye color?

Maybe it's one of those "unwritten" type things...

FWIW, my husband was uncir. until his mid 20s, when he had to be circ. for medical reasons (recurrent infection). I didn't know him then, so I have no "before and after" wisdom to share, but just wanted to add that there are reasons other than aesthetic and religious. (He said that at his "advanced" age, it was a very painful procedure.)

 

[Linda7NJ]

You can give herself worms if you want (ever seen a skin worm, they can grow to over 6 inches and you can get one from improper sterilization) but keep that method away from me.

Bleach and ink don't mix.

And good luck microwaving a metal tattoo gun or the meltable plastic parts.

LOL. :twocents:

EDIT: This really wasn't meant with the apparent level of snark. It was just to show that no matter how much you know about sanitation, there are different rules for tattoos and the associated equipment. What ever these parents did to clean it between uses (if they did) if it was done without the right equipment, it wasn't enough.

No snark taken! It's all good I'd never let this woman tattoo me!

 

[Openmind]

I've just heard that sentiment a lot from both men and women - "we want him to look like his Dad" - it's very common, I think. Also, for so many years, the vast majority of American boys were automatically circumcised and so I think parents worried that uncut boys might get teased in the locker room.

I also know some women who think uncut penises are gross....which is hilarious to me, because as MomofBoys points out, penises are penises, none of them are going to win a beauty contest! Plus, IMHO, they all look alike when they're happy to see you!

Not that many years back, we had our son circumcised [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]for[/FONT] a hygiene [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]reasons[/FONT]. The looking like dad never entered my [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]mind, [/FONT]and if it did my husband he kept it to himself -- thank goodness. Not asking now.

Back to the renegade tattoo artists.....the Dad and stepmom should have probably thought this through a little more and, as the stepmom said in one article, I doubt they would have done it had they known what a ruckus it was going to start.

Obviously the fact that their bio-Mom wasn't involved in the decision added a lot of heat to the fire....in fact, she might have added all the heat because she's the one that got authorities involved. If a Mom and Dad had done this, I doubt DFACs would have been brought in.

I still don't consider this abuse at all.

If [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]a [/FONT]mom and dad had done this[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif],[/FONT] I doubt anyone would have said a thing[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] or done a thing[/FONT], but once the biological mom took this to the authorities[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif], they[/FONT] had [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]no choice but [/FONT]to respond[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] since it is a law[/FONT]. No telling how the tattoo parents [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]re[/FONT]acted when they were confronted with their actions. Someone called the TV station -- did they? -- so they could emote how offended they were? [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Did they crank this up for the cameras? On the news program I saw, the tattoo mom was showing off her tattoos and pleading ignorance to the law. The ignorance part I totally bought. I agree this is not abuse as in denying care or inflicting pain, but if people don't think this is worthy of intervention -- change the law. [/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]How do these kind or stories make it to the main media?[/FONT]

 

[southcitymom]

Maybe it's one of those "unwritten" type things...

FWIW, my husband was uncir. until his mid 20s, when he had to be circ. for medical reasons (recurrent infection). I didn't know him then, so I have no "before and after" wisdom to share, but just wanted to add that there are reasons other than aesthetic and religious. (He said that at his "advanced" age, it was a very painful procedure.)

I've always heard it's terrible to have that done when you are older!!!

 

[Linda7NJ]

I've always heard it's terrible to have that done when you are older!!!

I would imagine it's just as painful for a baby....except they can't verbalize/whine about it like grown men

My friend's husband had a vasectomy awhile ago. OMG All I can say is if it was up to men to bear children, there would be no human race! He acted as if he were dying. He laid on that sofa for two weeks straight...moaning ...with his little ice bag on his naughty bits.

 

[MomofBoys]

I am very curious as to how many people actually make the argument that they want their son's to "look like daddy" ..... how many men & their sons stand around and compare? IMO It's the most ridiculous justification ever. Would you dye your son's hair to match the color of daddy's? have your son wear contacts so they can share the same eye color?

I don't think it's ridiculous at all. As I said, it was far from our only reason, but do you have boys? Many boys? Do they spend time in the tub together? Do they ever see daddy naked? Is the topic bound to come up in the locker room? How many boys idolize their daddies and want to emulate them? And as much as you might poo-poo the idea, how do you explain that daddy was "maimed" or disfigured in some way by grandma, if that's how you choose to look at it, LOL.

It's completely silly to dismiss the "stand around and compare" thing, because when you have four boys in the same house, of course they're going to see each other naked. And like I said, it's not anything that was a final decision maker, but I'm not going to lie and say it didn't play into it, and I think it's very easy for someone to dismiss that as a consideration if they're not looking at it from the perspective of a young child. A little boy can see that people at the park or at Target have different eye color or different hair color. They're practically born with the ability to make that distinction. But having a penis that is fairly difference in appearance from his biggest make role model is different, IMO, and I don't think it's silly to a kindegartener, as much as you like to scoff at it.

 

[Missizzy]

Openmind--I think this story made it to the major media because it's undeniably a human interest story. Just look at this thread. The action was tacky and tawdry but the discourse is actually healthy and thought-provoking. At first, I felt ashamed of how much time we were all spending discussing such a relatively minor issue when we've got precious but dead 50 lb. 15 year old girls and toddlers being raped by their doctor to worry about.

However, on reflection, this is how we define our beliefs. We don't get to hang out down at the diner, the pub, or over the back fence (as in days past) so this is our venue to discuss what is right and appropriate and legal to do with a child. My guess is that our discussion has not stayed here on the forum, either, but has moved over into our homes with our families. That's always a good thing.

So, let's see a show of hands as to how many of us uttered words to the effect of, "So help me, if you ever get a stupid idea like that......" last night.

 

[trillian]

In looking at the Georgia law, Filly, I have to wonder what sorts of tattoos doctors and osteopaths are allowed to apply. The only thing I can think of is some sort of identification for identical multiples and possibly, religious markings. Does anyone know? Before every mall had a piercing shop, doctors used to pierce ears (yes, I'm aware they've been done at home, too, forever). I wonder if some docs are willing to do tattoos. I'm gonna check into that. You're my multi-cultural inner city expert. See what you can find.

My ex had 2 blue tattoos near his shoulders from radiation therapy for cancer.
I'm sure it's things like that that force the exceptions to the law.

From here: http://drjohng.com/faq.htm#tattoos
"Why do I need tattoos to get radiation?

Tattoo markings that are used for radiation therapy are very small (around 1 millimeter), about the size of a freckle or the head of a pin. They are necessary so the radiation therapist can precisely pinpoint the area needing treatment. These permanent markings are crucial for ensuring the accurate targeting of the tumor area. It also allows the technician to line up the treatment fields quicker making each of your treatment sessions run more smoothly."

 

[Melanie]

Wow......

Mom claims it isn't permanent? Is that true?

While I think it was stupid...I don't consider it child abuse. Apparently, the children weren't forced.

People circumcise baby boys and pierce the ears of their children everyday in this country. I fail to see the difference.

I agree - but isn't it up to the parents to make the decision - not some idiotic neighbor. When I looked at the tats they didn't seem permanent (no redness around them) -- didn't look like it broke the skin.

I'm no tat expert, but maybe they will come off.

Oh, and the one the older child got that said Mom and Dad -- that thing was huge.

Yes, I think it's wrong. Are there other wordly news we can focus on - yes.

MOO

Mel

 

[Linda7NJ]

I don't think it's ridiculous at all. As I said, it was far from our only reason, but do you have boys? Many boys? Do they spend time in the tub together? Do they ever see daddy naked? Is the topic bound to come up in the locker room? How many boys idolize their daddies and want to emulate them? And as much as you might poo-poo the idea, how do you explain that daddy was "maimed" or disfigured in some way by grandma, if that's how you choose to look at it, LOL.

It's completely silly to dismiss the "stand around and compare" thing, because when you have four boys in the same house, of course they're going to see each other naked. And like I said, it's not anything that was a final decision maker, but I'm not going to lie and say it didn't play into it, and I think it's very easy for someone to dismiss that as a consideration if they're not looking at it from the perspective of a young child. A little boy can see that people at the park or at Target have different eye color or different hair color. They're practically born with the ability to make that distinction. But having a penis that is fairly difference in appearance from his biggest make role model is different, IMO, and I don't think it's silly to a kindergartener, as much as you like to scoff at it.

The only thing my son wanted to know was why daddy had a fur coat around his and he didn't.

I think size and the pubic hair are noticeably different....or I would hope so anyway...LOL I wonder if hubby would be willing to shave to look more like his offspring? Ever hand hubby a can of Nair? Sorry, but I am still scoffing.

I have a son and his & his dad's are both circumcised. It wasn't my choice, he came that way.

 

[MomofBoys]

agree - but isn't it up to the parents to make the decision - not some idiotic neighbor. When I looked at the tats they didn't seem permanent (no redness around them) -- didn't look like it broke the skin.

But would there be this brouhaha if they weren't permanent? You'd think that'd be a big component of the story.

And I disagree that it's up to the parents. Or the neighbors. It should be a decision reserved for the person when they're an age to fully comprehend the permanence of the decision. Being a parent does not give you the right to permanently decorate your child on a whim. Piercing doesn't compare, although I'd admit that I disagree with the piercing of infants and toddlers. Your parents are offering to give you a tattoo. Your older brothers and sisters are getting them. That's placing a tremendous amount of pressure on a child to "conform."

And that's me completely ignoring the worst part, which to me is the fact they did this at home under questionable circumstances.

I think parents are only as good or worthy of being a decision-maker as the intelligence God gave them.

 

[Lyn1001]

My ex had 2 blue tattoos near his shoulders from radiation therapy for cancer.
I'm sure it's things like that that force the exceptions to the law.

From here: http://drjohng.com/faq.htm#tattoos
"Why do I need tattoos to get radiation?

Tattoo markings that are used for radiation therapy are very small (around 1 millimeter), about the size of a freckle or the head of a pin. They are necessary so the radiation therapist can precisely pinpoint the area needing treatment. These permanent markings are crucial for ensuring the accurate targeting of the tumor area. It also allows the technician to line up the treatment fields quicker making each of your treatment sessions run more smoothly."

Thank you, I was going to mention that. My DH has a few little blue tatoos from radiation.

 

[OneLostGrl]

I would imagine it's just as painful for a baby....except they can't verbalize/whine about it like grown men

My friend's husband had a vasectomy awhile ago. OMG All I can say is if it was up to men to bear children, there would be no human race! He acted as if he were dying. He laid on that sofa for two weeks straight...moaning ...with his little ice bag on his naughty bits.

LOL not all men act that way though, my hubby was back to work the day after he got "fixed".

 

[jjenny]

But would there be this brouhaha if they weren't permanent? You'd think that'd be a big component of the story.

And I disagree that it's up to the parents. Or the neighbors. It should be a decision reserved for the person when they're an age to fully comprehend the permanence of the decision. Being a parent does not give you the right to permanently decorate your child on a whim. Piercing doesn't compare, although I'd admit that I disagree with the piercing of infants and toddlers. Your parents are offering to give you a tattoo. Your older brothers and sisters are getting them. That's placing a tremendous amount of pressure on a child to "conform."

And that's me completely ignoring the worst part, which to me is the fact they did this at home under questionable circumstances.

I think parents are only as good or worthy of being a decision-maker as the intelligence God gave them.

That tattoo device had a guitar string for a needle. The woman herself has many tattoos.
They are doing blood tests on the children to see if they were infected with anything.

 

[jjenny]

I agree - but isn't it up to the parents to make the decision - not some idiotic neighbor. When I looked at the tats they didn't seem permanent (no redness around them) -- didn't look like it broke the skin.

I'm no tat expert, but maybe they will come off.

Oh, and the one the older child got that said Mom and Dad -- that thing was huge.

Yes, I think it's wrong. Are there other wordly news we can focus on - yes.

MOO

Mel

No it is not up to the parents to make the decision. What part of "it's illegal for a minor to be tattooed" except if it's done by a physician don't you understand?

 

[smart blonde]

That tattoo device had a guitar string for a needle. The woman herself has many tattoos.
They are doing blood tests on the children to see if they were infected with anything.

I agree with you, jjenny.

Hepatitis C is one of the nasty diseases that can be contracted from tattooing.

 

[MomofBoys]

I think size and the pubic hair are noticeably different....or I would hope so anyway...LOL I wonder if hubby would be willing to shave to look more like his offspring? Ever hand hubby a can of Nair? Sorry, but I am still scoffing.

It's fine to scoff, but you're looking at it from the rational perspective of an adult female woman. I'm trying hard to look at it from the perspective of a young boy. They're the ones that have to live with it. I will say I've never met a guy, circumcised or not, that wishes it had gone another way.

Men seem to take their penii very seriously. My husband said he preferred to have his sons circumcised for a number of reasons, and them 'looking like him' never played into it. I'm the one not discounting that as a benefit, if not a reason.

On topic...a guitar string as a needle? What does that mean? Do they act the same?