GA - Rayshard Brooks, 27, fatally shot by Police, Wendy’s lot, Atlanta, 12 Jun 2020 #2

[Curiosity1234]

The DOJ would get involved because they may feel there's a conflict of interest in regards to the current DA. In this case, I would agree.
It's the job of the DA to convince the jury that Rolfe intended to kill Brooks. It's also the job of the DA to drop the charges if he feels there's not enough evidence to convict.
It's also the job of the DA to wait until an investigation is complete before charges are filed, and in this case, that never happened.
The GBI was not even notified in advance of the press conference that the DA planned on filing these charges. IMO the DA was in a rush to do that. <modsnip: If you can't discuss it, don't mention it.>

Thanks Rocky1, great explanation.

 

[katydid23]

Georgia Code Title 17. Criminal Procedure § 17-7-52


Rolfe can give a swore statement to the Grand Jury telling them exactly what happened.

Georgia Code Title 17. Criminal Procedure § 17-7-52 | FindLaw

A sworn statement is not as strong as testimony, face to face, IMO. I hope he can do what Officer Wilson did, and explain step by step, what happened.

 

[katydid23]

Covid 19 brain here, I had to read that 5 times because i thought i was reading it backwards. I need fresh air.



If they are not allowed to shoot a fleeing suspect, i then assume that from here on out, EVERY 'suspect' will flee. That sure will make for safer streets.

Almost every person facing arrest will now fight back, try to get away and flee. The cops can no longer use physical restraint tactics as previously used in fighting, so many will get away.

And it is not true that the cops have everyones addresses etc. Most of the people they pull over have no valid licenses, no current registrations, etc.

 

[nightowl1975]

I don’t blame any of them, and I think the mayor is wrong to guilt trip them over it.

I sincerely doubt any of them feel guilty at all based on what the mayor stated. Yes, they all raised their hand and promised to serve and protect. However, it was with the understanding that they could defend themselves under the laws of Georgia without fear of facing a possible death penalty charge for doing their job.

The fundamental expectations of their job duties have now changed so drastically that they would be complete fools to consider their “oath” as still valid. IMO, they should all be searching diligently for jobs in areas that support their officers doing their jobs and following the laws of the state they’re in. Clearly that is not Atlanta at this time.

 

[nightowl1975]

If they are not allowed to shoot a fleeing suspect, i then assume that from here on out, EVERY 'suspect' will flee. That sure will make for safer streets.

So if the police are trying to arrest someone who just killed 20 kids in a high school or they’ve finally located and are trying to arrest someone wanted for raping a dozen women or they’re chasing a serial killer, etc etc etc, all the criminal needs to do is run faster than the cops, right?

And any criminal with half a brain cell will now run, right? I mean, why on earth would they NOT try to run? The worst that could happen is the officer might catch up with them. But they’re definitely not going to get shot if this is the new rule of engagement.

How completely absurd.

 

[mister happy]

I sure hope LE is putting pressure on the people who are hiding Natalie White.

She is going to have to turn herself in eventually, or be caught. Silly woman.

 

[GoBuckeyes]

The company claims she created a hostile work environment.

No, she was head of HR. The company claims that the workers created a hostile working environment. I'm just guessing that they did so only because of her relation to Officer Rolfe. SMH

 

[Jax49]

No, she was head of HR. The company claims that the workers created a hostile working environment. I'm just guessing that they did so only because of her relation to Officer Rolfe. SMH

Only in the headline is that claim made. All other references in the article indicate she created the hostile work environment.

The company said Melissa, a HR director, had violated company policy and created an 'uncomfortable' and 'hostile' working environment

The statement said Melissa, a HR director, had violated company policy and created an 'uncomfortable' and 'hostile' working environment as she was transitioning to a leave of absence granted by the fir

 

[GoBuckeyes]

Only in the headline is that claim made. All other references in the article indicate she created the hostile work environment.

Yes, because of who her step-son is. Regardless of the reason given, her performance had been fine. Then her SS is jailed on drummed up charges, and she immediately loses her job? Coincidence? HIGHLY doubtful.

 

[Curiosity1234]

The DOJ would get involved because they may feel there's a conflict of interest in regards to the current DA. In this case, I would agree.
It's the job of the DA to convince the jury that Rolfe intended to kill Brooks. It's also the job of the DA to drop the charges if he feels there's not enough evidence to convict.
It's also the job of the DA to wait until an investigation is complete before charges are filed, and in this case, that never happened.
The GBI was not even notified in advance of the press conference that the DA planned on filing these charges. IMO the DA was in a rush to do that. The reason?... We are not allowed to say here.

Only in the headline is that claim made. All other references in the article indicate she created the hostile work environment.

Thank you Jax, I read that her social media posts (whatever they were) caused the problem that got her fired.

 

[Curiosity1234]

Yes, because of who her step-son is. Regardless of the reason given, her performance had been fine. Then her SS is jailed on drummed up charges, and she immediately loses her job? Coincidence? HIGHLY doubtful.

The company IMO used "created a hostile work environment" as an excuse to get rid of her. Their image is far more important than one employee.

 

[Abp5]

The DOJ would get involved because they may feel there's a conflict of interest in regards to the current DA. In this case, I would agree.
It's the job of the DA to convince the jury that Rolfe intended to kill Brooks. It's also the job of the DA to drop the charges if he feels there's not enough evidence to convict.
It's also the job of the DA to wait until an investigation is complete before charges are filed, and in this case, that never happened.
The GBI was not even notified in advance of the press conference that the DA planned on filing these charges. IMO the DA was in a rush to do that. <modsnip: If you can't discuss it, don't mention it.>

I 100% agree with and love this post! Thank you!

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Since there is a federal case pending against the current D.A. Paul Howard, I would think that they could.

Morning!

Imo, Howard dropped this in their lap to contend with purposefully because he already knows the results that will happen in 2 weeks that will affect his current position may not be in his favor.

It's like when someone is going to be fired, and before they leave they trash, and destroy everything they can leaving those left behind to clean up their mess.

Imo, he knew this is not a capital murder case, but he had nothing to lose by throwing 'gas' at the time to heighten the passions that he knew were already inflamed to a fevered pitch.

Imo, PH has always cared far more about his own self interest than seeking fair justice. This is a perfect example.

Since his unethical underhanded behavior in this case I can't even tolerate seeing him on ID anymore.

I wonder if he has complaints against him before this with the Ga. BA for prosecutorial misconduct? From the remarks he's made he doesnt even try to hide his biases yet he's to be fair to all defendants? I wonder if hes ever been accused of hiding exculpatory evidence before?

Just things I wonder about because I find it hard to believe he just started being this way starting with ORs case.

Jmho

 

[Abp5]

She is going to have to turn herself in eventually, or be caught. Silly woman.

Perhaps she will show up to the public viewing for Mr Brooks that is being held today. Hmmmmm.....that could be interesting.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Perhaps she will show up to the public viewing for Mr Brooks that is being held today. Hmmmmm.....that could be interesting.

Someone has to be hiding her out protecting her from being arrested.

Anyone who has done so needs to be harshly charged too.

Jmho

 

[shotgun09]

Someone has to be hiding her out protecting her from being arrested.

Anyone who has done so needs to be harshly charged too.

Jmho

If that is truly his gf, she certainly doesn't fit the narrative they are trying to portray!

 

[Cappuccino]

brave of him to tell the truth, I think.

I also find all those reasons for ‘sicking out’ on the part of the APD police to be good and compelling, not at all knee-jerk or shady. I don’t blame any of them, and I think the mayor is wrong to guilt trip them over it.

Morning!

Imo, Howard dropped this in their lap to contend with purposefully because he already knows the results that will happen in 2 weeks that will affect his current position may not be in his favor.

It's like when someone is going to be fired, and before they leave they trash, and destroy everything they can leaving those left behind to clean up their mess.

Imo, he knew this is not a capital murder case, but he had nothing to lose by throwing 'gas' at the time to heighten the passions that he knew were already inflamed to a fevered pitch.

Imo, PH has always cared far more about his own self interest than seeking fair justice. This is a perfect example.

Since his unethical underhanded behavior in this case I can't even tolerate seeing him on ID anymore.

I wonder if he has complaints against him before this with the Ga. BA for prosecutorial misconduct? From the remarks he's made he doesnt even try to hide his biases yet he's to be fair to all defendants? I wonder if hes ever been accused of hiding exculpatory evidence before?

Just things I wonder about because I find it hard to believe he just started being this way starting with ORs case.

Jmho

It's very worrying to see, especially in a death penalty state. Has this DA sent anyone to death row? I'd be reviewing the evidence very closely if he has.

 

[Deleted member 39678]

A sworn statement is not as strong as testimony, face to face, IMO. I hope he can do what Officer Wilson did, and explain step by step, what happened.

Rolfe can give his statement directly to the grand jury members before he is questioned by them.

Georgia Code Title 17. Criminal Procedure § 17-7-52 | FindLaw

 

[Falcon500]

So if the police are trying to arrest someone who just killed 20 kids in a high school or they’ve finally located and are trying to arrest someone wanted for raping a dozen women or they’re chasing a serial killer, etc etc etc, all the criminal needs to do is run faster than the cops, right?

And any criminal with half a brain cell will now run, right? I mean, why on earth would they NOT try to run? The worst that could happen is the officer might catch up with them. But they’re definitely not going to get shot if this is the new rule of engagement.

How completely absurd.

It’s been that way since 1985. The Supreme Court ruled In Tennessee vs Garner that a police officer cannot shoot a fleeing felon unless the officer has probable case that the offender is likely to cause injury to the officer or the public. In the case of a serial killer there would never be a time when he was likely to kill a random citizen. If the police had the shooters gun there would be no likelihood that he could shoot again.

when I first came on there was a liquor store robbery and a two man car spotted the getaway car and the chase was on. The officer in the passenger seat fired through the windshield of the police car and eventually fired 15 shots I believe. He was hailed as a hero but today he couldn’t do that and there would be a good chance that courts would dismiss the case.

 

[Abp5]

It's very worrying to see, especially in a death penalty state. Has this DA sent anyone to death row? I'd be reviewing the evidence very closely if he has.

It's very worrying to see, especially in a death penalty state. Has this DA sent anyone to death row? I'd be reviewing the evidence very closely if he has.

Yes, he has. He has recently mentioned phasing it out. That was before Mr Brooks was killed.

“Since 2005, Howard has filed notices to seek death in about 40 cases, according to state records. He obtained death sentences in just two of them, and a judge has since granted one a new sentencing trial.
There are now nine pending capital cases in Fulton. As for their dispositions, Howard said, he would consider them through a “case by case analysis.”

Fulton DA, two challengers commit to not seeking the death penalty