GA - Rayshard Brooks, 27, fatally shot in Wendy’s car park, Atlanta, 12 Jun 2020 *officer charged*

[Rocco]

It irritates me when I see people say the officers should have given him a ride home. Since when? I went to jail when I got a DUI. I was not disagreeable in anyway. I went quietly and did my time...like the vast majority of people. Here in my town, someone got shot for going after officers with a hammer. Nothing happened to the officers. I can't pass judgement on what someone does in the moment...you just never know how you are going to react when you feel your life could be in danger.
Maybe they should have just let him run away and nabbed him later, but hindsight is 20/20

But he had the taser-----so they couldn't just let him run away with that. Apparently a taser is considered to be a deadly weapon in Georgia. And once he assaulted an officer, there was no way they could have let him just run away.

 

[Rocky1]

It will be an interesting trial. I am not a police officer, so I don't know if the officer's actions were wrong or not.

That is when jurors rely on expert witnesses. And if both sides have qualified experts, how does a layman make an informed decision?

The jurors are the finder of fact. They listen to all the evidence presented.
Testimony from an expert witness is not always fact. It's his or her opinion based on things like experience, knowledge, training and data. In order to testify as a "Qualified Expert" the court has to follow a set of rules before allowing the witness to be qualified.
After the trial, the jury takes those facts, and discusses them among the group. They will decide what testimony to believe is more reasonable from the expert witnesses, add that to the facts, and try to conclude with a verdict of guilty, or not guilty.

 

[Curiosity1234]

I feel for the children of Tomika Miller and Rayshard Brooks.The eight year old daughter's birthday celebrations will forever be a reminder of his death. So sad.

 

[Sillybilly]

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[Charlot123]

I totally agree with you. He got too drunk, became hungry, drove there alone, and got in line at the drive through. He passed out (not fell asleep) before he even got to the speaker to put his order in. The story he gave the police about his car being parked there, his girlfriend dropping him off was all one lie after another meant to persuade the police he hadn't been drunk driving.

I absolutely agree with you. Bad thing, drunk driving, maybe pointing to a chronic problem (quite possibly stage II of alcoholism - when one's liver degrades alcohol very quickly, so he passed out with much higher level, and when the police came, it was already lower and he could drive, surprisingly... although could not do field tests).

I am asking one thing, was there a better option than killing the man?

To me, these policemen look not very well-trained.

And I am against defunding the police, i think they need more investment, especially in training.

 

[Jax49]

Rayshard Brooks' widow: 'Do they feel sorry for what they took away?' - CNN

Of all the things still unclear about the night Rayshard Brooks was shot to death by Atlanta police, there's one thing his widow wants to know from the officers involved.

"Do they feel sorry for what they took away?"

ETA

Fulton County District Attorney Paul Howard told CNN on Sunday a decision on charges against the officer will be made "sometime around Wednesday."

"(Brooks) did not seem to present any threat to anyone. The fact that it would escalate to his death seems unreasonable," Howard said.

There are three charges under consideration, according to the DA: murder, felony murder and voluntary manslaughter.

 

[Curiosity1234]

I absolutely agree with you. Bad thing, drunk driving, maybe pointing to a chronic problem (quite possibly stage II of alcoholism - when one's liver degrades alcohol very quickly, so he passed out with much higher level, and when the police came, it was already lower and he could drive, surprisingly... although could not do field tests).

I am asking one thing, was there a better option than killing the man?

To me, these policemen look not very well-trained.

And I am against defunding the police, i think they need more investment, especially in training.

They could have impounded his car thereby preventing him from driving and called a cab for him; police in other communities have done that. But, that's hindsight on my part. I believe It's up to the discretion of the police officers involved on how to handle it. They did see him drunk driving when they allowed him to move his car from the drive through line to the parking spot.

 

[Keefer]

Just saw Bill Bratton formerly head of NYPD on national tv tonite. He stated main problem for officer in a court of law is that the suspect was running away and armed with a non lethal weapon. He thinks officer will definitely be charged.

 

[Jax49]

Ex-cop who shot, killed Rayshard Brooks was previously reprimanded for use of force

Garrett Rolfe, the 27-year-old officer who was fired after shooting and killing Brooks on Friday night in a Wendy’s parking lot, received a written reprimand in 2017 due to the complaint. In his seven-year stint with the department, it was his only use-of-force complaint before Friday’s shooting.

 

[Keefer]

They could have impounded his car thereby preventing him from driving and called a cab for him; police in other communities have done that. But, that's hindsight on my part. They did see him drunk driving when they allowed him to move his car from the drive through line to the parking spot.

Yes, why allow him to continue to drive if they suspected he was drunk? What if he tried to speed away. What if he caused an accident? Curious

 

[Simply Southern]

They could have impounded his car thereby preventing him from driving and called a cab for him; police in other communities have done that. But, that's hindsight on my part. They did see him drunk driving when they allowed him to move his car from the drive through line to the parking spot.

He had an Ohio drivers license, said he was from NC in a rental car that was not his.

The officer, checked his police record from the squad car. It appears to be 2 different screens the officer looked at.

I certainly understand after his GA police record was revealed.

 

[Rocco]

Ex-cop who shot, killed Rayshard Brooks was previously reprimanded for use of force

From your link:

19 Atlanta police officers resigned over the weekend.

 

[Simply Southern]

From your link:

19 Atlanta police officers resigned over the weekend.

Multiple Atlanta officers have resigned this month as morale is said to drop to 'all-time low'

Multiple Atlanta police officers have resigned this month, the department confirmed to Fox News on Monday, as the president and CEO of the Atlanta Police Foundation said, “Morale is at an all-time low.”

Atlanta Police said eight officers have resigned since June 1, a higher rate than usual; the department had seen two to six monthly resignations in 2020.

Earlier Monday, the Atlanta Police Foundation had reported 19 resignations in the past week; the group later took back its claim, affirming there have been eight resignations this month.

 

[Snoods]

I have seen posts referring to Mr. Brooks having recently been in jail or having past domestic violence arrests - is there an article stating this ? TIA

Are we allowed to link his lengthy record? It’s posted all over the place, easy to find. Let me just say I’m sure his domestic partner and child were a lot safer than if he had arrived home with a taser.

 

[Snoods]

I just want to add about 8 out of ten arrests I see on LivePD or Cops the suspect is screaming about how he is going to get the officer fired and he is being brutalized, when he is obviously not. I’m surprised there aren’t hundreds of false complaints against good officers just trying to do their job. Garrett Rolfe had one complaint in 7 years.

 

[Jax49]

Ex-cop who shot, killed Rayshard Brooks was previously reprimanded for use of force

His file showed 12 other incidents, varying from vehicle accidents to citizens’ complaints. He was exonerated in nine of those internal investigations.

Two of the other incidents, which were both vehicle accidents, led to a written reprimand and an oral admonishment. An incident involving the discharge of a firearm in 2015 did not have a conclusion listed in his documents.

 

[Snoods]

Ex-cop who shot, killed Rayshard Brooks was previously reprimanded for use of force

So he had one reprimand, as was previously stated.

I guess we can post Rayshard’s lengthy violent criminal record of which the police were aware, and Rayshard’s own YouTube channel in his own words from just a week ago that will change a few things. It wasn’t my find so I won’t take credit for the footwork. It should be posted here shortly.

 

[katydid23]

I will compare the officers ONE reprimand to the criminal history of the Mr Brooks any day.

I just stumbled upon Rayshard's YouTube channel. This is his own channel, and he placed an interview that he did on May 16th, a month ago.Very interesting and might shed light on why he was fighting so hard to get away.

Apparently he was on probation for charges in Ohio in December,2019. Since he was still on probation, he said 'any bit of trouble and back to jail I go.'

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[Jax49]

District attorney weighing charges in Rayshard Brooks’ death | WTOP

“The prosecutor should not serve as a right arm of police. A prosecutor should be independent of the police. And I think that in this country, we’ve got to move away from that old model,” he added.

Glad it isn't my decision...

 

[katydid23]

Again, do you really want to shoot somebody because of what they might do? Lets say he got away and did not turn and tazer the officer, take his gun from his retention holster and murder Both officers and then go on a rampage in Downtown. Does this happen all that often by suspects running full stride away from the police?

And do you really want to teach people that even if an officer I being polite and respectful, but catches you breaking the law, that people can just become combative, punch a cop in the head, wrestle around and steal weapons from them, shoot tasers at the cops, in order to avoid a valid arrest?

Is that a good thing to put in people's heads? How can we expect to keep any cops in the force if they have to put up with that as a regular, even approved of, tactic by suspects?

If you had a loved one working as a cop, you would never want this type of behavior by suspects to become commonly accepted. Why should we expect an officer be beat on and kicked and tazed, in order to make a lawful DUI arrest?

I think it is quite acceptable to teach people that if they punch a cop in the face and steal his taser in order to shoot it at him, that they should expect some possible lethal force coming their way.

We cannot have this kind of violence seen as appropriate by citizens being lawfully arrested.