GA - Rayshard Brooks, 27, fatally shot in Wendy’s car park, Atlanta, 12 Jun 2020 *officer charged*

[Falcon500]

I think dui is a misdemeanor in Georgia? If so, I dont see why they could not let him walk to his sisters house which he said was a few blocks away and impound his car. He could come to court later and plead his case. The police had the breathalyzer results, so he would be likely convicted of dui.

Armchair policing at its best. The police did not have any breathalyzer results because he did not take a breathalyzer test. He took a PBT (preliminarily breathalyzer test) which is not admissible in court. What if they had let him walk tO his sisters house and in his intoxicated condition he would have been hit by a bus? What if he had attacked a woman pedestrian? Who would be complaining then? The same people that are now.

 

[lisaNYC]

Sorry, i saw it on tv, NYPD commish announced it live.

What did he actually announce, I didn't know what he was talking about.

 

[Charlot123]

Very true.

It should be added that responsible fire arms instructors also stress that threatening situations need to be truly threatening and cannot be based on the broad and fuzzy "If I say I was threatened, then I was" type "reasoning".

One instructor in my area does not even teach "Stand Your Ground" as he fears people will misapply the concept and think that they can start trawling for confrontations. Likewise, he teaches that having a weapons permit does not give anyone arrest authority, nor does it make one a "block warden" of sorts.

Rather, his special tactic is to simply leave when ever possible. Of course, it is not always possible to leave.... .

Here is what I think. Had Wendy workers woken him up and fed him, they’d still have their diner.

Seriously, how did he end up near Wendy’s? I think that he got too drunk and did not eat enough so he got hungry. So he drove to Wendy’s and fell asleep in that driveway.

(Another option - that he already ate there - but that means, he’s a client. It is usually easier to deal with clients, send out the same server to talk to him).

Feeding him would have served several purposes, but I bet all of them would still have jobs today.

 

[Keefer]

Is this the announcement you are referring to?

NYPD Brass: We’re Arresting Too Many Prisoners on Early COVID Release

Chief LiPetri tells NBC New York the NYPD did not object to releasing older defendants, nor those with underlying medical conditions. But he says the consequences of the larger-scale release of prisoners are now showing up in the arrest data, with those 250 re-offenders being arrested 450 times so far during the pandemic.

I dont think so? It has to do with restructuring, he, I think his name is Shea, said that They were reassigning some 600 officers. He also said it would radically change how they operate as well as the need for internal reform

 

[Charlot123]

Armchair policing at its best. The police did not have any breathalyzer results because he did not take a breathalyzer test. He took a PBT (preliminarily breathalyzer test) which is not admissible in court. What if they had let him walk tO his sisters house and in his intoxicated condition he would have been hit by a bus? What if he had attacked a woman pedestrian? Who would be complaining then? The same people that are now.

It is not armchair policing. I for one think we need police, but their training needs to change. Longer and better training is the key. And maybe, they should be better equipped so that they could dictate, get rid of the paperwork. Make them not so overwhelmed. I think there are ways out.

 

[lisaNYC]

I dont think so? It has to do with restructuring, he, I think his name is Shea, said that They were reassigning some 600 officers. He also said it would radically change how they operate as well as the need for internal reform

NYPD Eliminating Plainclothes Anti-Crime Units in Move Toward More Community Policing
I guess proactive policing isn't a priority anymore.

 

[Charlot123]

I think dui is a misdemeanor in Georgia? If so, I dont see why they could not let him walk to his sisters house which he said was a few blocks away and impound his car. He could come to court later and plead his case. The police had the breathalyzer results, so he would be likely convicted of dui.

One of my friends said, “they could drive him to the sister”. (But he is from Europe, different mentality). However, at least calling the sister and asking her to come pick him up.

 

[Charlot123]

This is a joke, right?

No. It would have helped him sober up faster than anything else. At the point when he slept in the driveway, he was a minor problem for Wendy’s. By the time he was killed, that Wendy was doomed. Oh, and what about the cars torched there? Some of them probably belonged to Wendy’s workers.

 

[JerseyGirl]

Deadly force not 'only option' in Atlanta shooting: Rep. Val Demings

"Based on my 27 years of law enforcement experience -- experience being an officer on the street, but also supervising and managing officers through the chain of command -- I do not believe that the use of deadly force was the only option that this officer had," she said.

 

[SugarQueen]

Yes, much less social disruption and more cooperation with le.

Thank you for clarifying. How is LE supposed to decide who gets a ride home, who can walk home, who LE drives home? How much time should be devoted to each drunk?
I think it’s a nice idea in theory. I don’t think it will work in practice. I certainly don’t think it should be done solely to stop the giant temper tantrum going on.

 

[Keefer]

Armchair policing at its best. The police did not have any breathalyzer results because he did not take a breathalyzer test. He took a PBT (preliminarily breathalyzer test) which is not admissible in court. What if they had let him walk tO his sisters house and in his intoxicated condition he would have been hit by a bus? What if he had attacked a woman pedestrian? Who would be complaining then? The same people that are now.

He took a field sobriety test, no? Was passed out in car? Witnesses? The mgr at Wendys? I guess its better to burn down the wendys and kill somebody. Excellent! Stick around.

 

[Keefer]

NYPD Eliminating Plainclothes Anti-Crime Units in Move Toward More Community Policing
I guess proactive policing isn't a priority anymore.

Yep, change is happening despite the infinite wisdom of the Websleuths cadre

 

[Curiosity1234]

I am so confused by this "wife". I researched the video several times and he was drinking with his girlfriend and a baby momma of the child having the birthday,

The baby momma is the mother of his four children and she is sometimes referred to as a wife but that does not mean they were ever legally married. The girlfriend is his current girlfriend.

 

[shotgun09]

When I hear (or see) the words " Community Policing", I am immediately sensing the beautiful scenes shown in Seattle recently, and the new community policing job that is going on there. Not sure if NY, and Chicago and Atlanta are prepared for this.

 

[SugarQueen]

Some the brilliant idea here is give a DRUNK DRIVER a ticket?? And drive him home?? How many times a night is LE supposed to waste time on that? What if he’s a nasty drunk? What if he’s a violent drunk?

 

[Rocky1]

This is interesting. For those that believe police departments are going to de - f und I'd like to know how all these cops are going to be paid millions in overtime.

I tried to post the link, but it's not working. Fox news reports cops in major cities are required to work 12 hour days with no days off.

Police officers are being demanded to go above and beyond their typical call of duty to handle ongoing protests and unrest, even as political figures are calling for their departments to be defunded or abolished entirely.

In Chicago, officers were reportedly ordered to work 12-hour shifts with no days off until further notice. All the while, critics -- including elected officials -- want to strip them of funding.

 

[Keefer]

When I hear (or see) the words " Community Policing", I am immediately sensing the beautiful scenes shown in Seattle recently, and the new community policing job that is going on there. Not sure if NY, and Chicago and Atlanta are prepared for this.

I think part of the reason for changing policy is that it is not viable anymore, politically or economically. The jist of
Of the problem is that frequently officer interactions with people who have only at best have committed a misdemeanor lead to other consequences. So it wreaks all this havoc but cuts down on misdemeanor crime? Not too brilliant. If you have suggestions please speak up.

 

[shotgun09]

I think part of the reason for changing policy is that it is not viable anymore, politically or economically. The jist of
Of the problem is that frequently officer interactions with people who have only at best have committed a misdemeanor lead to other consequences. So it wreaks all this havoc but cuts down on misdemeanor crime? Not too brilliant. If you have suggestions please speak up.

My "suggestion" is to just follow the law. And don't resist arrest, or an adverse reaction may happen. Something I and many have learned over the years.

 

[SugarQueen]

I think part of the reason for changing policy is that it is not viable anymore, politically or economically. The jist of
Of the problem is that frequently officer interactions with people who have only at best have committed a misdemeanor lead to other consequences. So it wreaks all this havoc but cuts down on misdemeanor crime? Not too brilliant. If you have suggestions please speak up.

I’m trying to follow your train of thought. What do you suggest is done about misdemeanor crimes?

 

[lisaNYC]

6 Atlanta police officers charged in another case:

GA - 6 police officers charged after violent confrontation with 2 students, Atlanta, 30 May 2020

Interesting that the mayor called the taser in that case a lethal weapon.
Atlanta Mayor Keisha Lance Bottoms announced on May 31 that two officers, Ivory Streeter and Mark Gardner, would be immediately fired after what she called "an excessive use of force." https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...officers-fired-over-use-force-during-n1229656
Which is it? In that case it was excessive force but in this case Brooks didn't use excessive force.