GA - Rayshard Brooks, 27, fatally shot in Wendy’s car park, Atlanta, 12 Jun 2020 *officer charged*

[squareandrabbet]

I saw LE interviewed about this NYPD decision, and pretty much now it means that criminals are free to do their thing if they don't see any uniformed police officers around. Up until now, they would have to worry that someone nearby might be an undercover officer, but now, nope.

As a resident (Chelsea here), that sounds awful.

What about pickpockets? I was pickpocketed twice, including underground once at 53rd Street and 7th Avenue (watch out for people in big baggy coats who slide too close to you).

Further to pickpockets, what about standing on line on NYE?

What about deterring open-air drug buys?

<modsnip: Politicizing is not allowed>

 

[JerseyGirl]

With all due respect, this article says "less-lethal" not non-lethal.

The Wikipedia page under Safety Concerns states it is a non-lethal weapon.

 

[Rocco]

With all due respect, this article says "less-lethal" not non-lethal.

Not only does it say less-lethal, it says there's the possibility of death.

The TASER device is marketed as less-lethal since the possibility of serious injury or death exists whenever the weapon is deployed.[4]

 

[tresir2012]

Let’s visit fantasy land for a moment. In THIS case,at what point would the officer be expected to decide to let Brooks go home?
Should they send every drunk driver home? Even a convicted felon, who is violating probation?

Yes call them a taxi and let the police pay for it.

 

[SugarQueen]

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[squareandrabbet]

Yes call them a taxi and let the police pay for it.

Change that to "the mayor's office", and I don't see a problem...

 

[Rocco]

The Wikipedia page under Safety Concerns states it is a non-lethal weapon.

And right after that, it says: Sharp metal projectiles and electricity are in use, so misuse or abuse of the weapon increases the likelihood that serious injury or death may occur.

 

[squareandrabbet]

And right after that, it says: Sharp metal projectiles and electricity are in use, so misuse or abuse of the weapon increases the likelihood that serious injury or death may occur.

Plus; Wikipedia as a source? I'm not sure about that... as a lib. sci. degree holder we're always taught not to use Wikipedia and to discourage folks from doing so, since literally anybody can edit it. Sometimes I admit I do use it; but I'll follow the footnote links within for the original source.

 

[lisaNYC]

The Wikipedia page under Safety Concerns states it is a non-lethal weapon.

Are we allowed to use Wikipedia as a reference here- because Wikipedia lies. Also can you please answer my other question I asked you in another post. Who here owes the African-American community an apology for claiming they burnt down Wendy's? Please show the person (s) who blamed the African-American community.

 

[tresir2012]

Black Americans die at higher rate when police use Tasers

Seems like it is pretty lethal to me. Over 1,000 deaths by tasers in the US. So it could have killed the officer. These police issues tasers are more powerful than the ones the public can obtain.

 

[oviedo]

Longer and better training doing what? Have you ever attended a citizens police academy? Why not? Reputable police academies today are .like boot camp plus role playing and endless scenarios with real officers playing the part of drunks, bank managers, holdup men, domestic partners duking it out, and so on. I have an injury to my shoulder that hurts twenty years after I was dragged off of a couch when a recruit suspected I was laying on a gun (I was).

I don’t know what the dictation a report has to do with better training. When you deal with the dregs of society on a daily basis it’s inevitable that people are going to be shot.

I've tried to keep up with the posts in this thread - and I may have missed it but I'm very interested to know what you think about the sequence of events when LE attempt to handcuff him - the taking of the taser seems to indicate to me he was going to use it and potentially hurt someone - just curious how these thoughts and decisions have to be made in seconds it seems. I appreciate your being on this thread. It must be hard.
JMO

 

[tresir2012]

Plus; Wikipedia as a source? I'm not sure about that... as a lib. sci. degree holder we're always taught not to use Wikipedia and to discourage folks from doing so, since literally anybody can edit it. Sometimes I admit I do use it; but I'll follow the footnote links within for the original source.

Wiki is ok but it is best to check the numbers they list as their sources.

 

[Rocco]

As death toll keeps rising, U.S. communities start rethinking Taser use

At least 49 people died in 2018 after being shocked by police with a Taser, a similar number as in the previous two years, according to a Reuters review of police records, news reports and court documents.

 

[Trident]

And right after that, it says: Sharp metal projectiles and electricity are in use, so misuse or abuse of the weapon increases the likelihood that serious injury or death may occur.

Wow. It's important to read the whole thing. Thank you.

 

[tresir2012]

I can’t possibly believe it is a better idea to let a violent, convicted felon who is violating his probation go on his merry way.

With a cop-issue taser in his possession also.

 

[Tillicum]

As death toll keeps rising, U.S. communities start rethinking Taser use

At least 49 people died in 2018 after being shocked by police with a Taser, a similar number as in the previous two years, according to a Reuters review of police records, news reports and court documents.

So would it be fair to assume that officers are trained in the use of these tasers and more than likely made aware of health and safety risks in using them?

 

[CSIDreamer]

And right after that, it says: Sharp metal projectiles and electricity are in use, so misuse or abuse of the weapon increases the likelihood that serious injury or death may occur.

I brought that up the other night. He could have tasered anyone once he stole it from LE. <modsnip: snark>

 

[Rocco]

So would it be fair to assume that officers are trained in the use of these tasers and more than likely made aware of health and safety risks in using them?

Yes, and probably the health and safety risks if suspect takes their taser away from them and shoots them.

 

[SugarQueen]

This is definitely a case where I’ll back the blue. Brooks played a stupid game and won a stupid prize. HE alone caused the simple arrest to turn into a mess.

 

[Tippy Lynn]

Refresh my memory, i do not remember anyone mentioning any police force, manufacture of tasers or any court of law that classifies a taser as a deadly weapon?
I am all ears.

I think it was you who said we have to look at the totality of the circumstances. I think that’s exactly what should be done to determine if the taser was a deadly weapon in this particular instance. When considering the totality I believe the taser was a deadly weapon.