GA - Rayshard Brooks, 27, fatally shot in Wendy’s car park, Atlanta, 12 Jun 2020 *officer charged*

[Curiosity1234]

Curiosity, I just wanted to clarify that the % I used in the italicized quote were "what if" there were marked differences in the percentages by region and the importance of finding out what ...if any differences there are. The actual statistics available according to the Bureau of Justice on the victimization rate by region per 1000 African Americans show the Northeast with 30.3%, Midwest 42.6%, South 22%, West 37%. These percentages are for African American victims of all crime not just police shootings.

"The urban area of New York City and Tulsa may have a rate closer to 4% while suburban areas or a city like Asheville is closer to 1%"

Thanks for the info. escape2sc. I expected the NE to be lower and the South to be higher. Always good to learn something new.

 

[Simply Southern]

I really think that if he wanted to hurt either officer he would have used the taser as soon as he got to his feet.

Then why didn't he just keep running ? He was clearly ahead of the officer. No, he stopped turned around and fired the tazer. He was shot as he turned back around to run.

No, imoo, he wanted to hurt the officer.

 

[Curiosity1234]

Curiosity, I just wanted to clarify that the % I used in the italicized quote were "what if" there were marked differences in the percentages by region and the importance of finding out what ...if any differences there are. The actual statistics available according to the Bureau of Justice on the victimization rate by region per 1000 African Americans show the Northeast with 30.3%, Midwest 42.6%, South 22%, West 37%. These percentages are for African American victims of all crime not just police shootings.

"The urban area of New York City and Tulsa may have a rate closer to 4% while suburban areas or a city like Asheville is closer to 1%"

Thanks for the info. escape2sc. I expected the NE to be lower and the South to be higher. Always good to learn something new.

Then why didn't he just keep running ? He was clearly ahead of the officer. No, he stopped turned around and fired the tazer. He was shot as he turned back around to run.

No, imoo, he wanted to hurt the officer.

He was going to do whatever it took to get away including rendering both officers incapacitated if he had to. Thankfully he only got the taser, if it was one of their guns, he would have used it.

 

[asmi106082]

For me, this case boils down to this.....if the subject’s ONLY goal was to flee, WHY did he turn and reach for the officer’s waistband (taser)??

Even if you don’t believe that he turned back to point the taser, or fire it at an officer, why grab it in the first place??

If I wanted to run, I’d RUN. IMO.

 

[BeckyF]

If the officer is charged, I hope numerous people will have the backbone to show some outrage.

Me too.

 

[Rocky1]

They didn't want it to burn but this is going to turn into a nightmare for the city and it's leadership. Chances are the officer isn't going to be charged and if he is, will most likely be acquitted on top of getting his job back. The city has created a giant mess by firing and charging officers for using a taser and then turning around and firing an officer who shot a suspect who was pointing/ attempting to use a taser against them. Their lawyers are going to have a field day.

I think if I was a business owner and my business was restricted in any way due to these "protesters" I'd be filing a writ of mandamus against that mayor.

 

[Curiosity1234]

Me too.

For me, this case boils down to this.....if the subject’s ONLY goal was to flee, WHY did he turn and reach for the officer’s waistband (taser)??

Even if you don’t believe that he turned back to point the taser, or fire it at an officer, why grab it in the first place??

If I wanted to run, I’d RUN. IMO.

Not me, I'm not running from the police; that makes matters worse. But, sometimes people do things out of fear which can be a subconscious reaction and not one they would normally do. I'm not implying Rayshard Brooks reacted out of fear, criminals like breaking the law and don't really fear LE.

 

[BeckyF]

I agree. It's purely political. Jmo

She is just doing her job. JMO

 

[ilovewings]

Not me, I'm not running from the police; that makes matters worse. But, sometimes people do things out of fear which can be a subconscious reaction and not one they would normally do.

plus he was drunk out of his mind: making poor decisions

 

[Curiosity1234]

For me, this case boils down to this.....if the subject’s ONLY goal was to flee, WHY did he turn and reach for the officer’s waistband (taser)??

Even if you don’t believe that he turned back to point the taser, or fire it at an officer, why grab it in the first place??

If I wanted to run, I’d RUN. IMO.

We don't really know what he was reaching for, do we ? Could he have been reaching for the gun? Does the video show a closeup ?

 

[BeckyF]

I’ve always wondered why police officers don’t shoot someone in the leg to stop them (if the person is unarmed) instead of shooting to kill. But I don’t know what their training tells them about that. JMO

 

[SugarQueen]

I’ve always wondered why police officers don’t shoot someone in the leg to stop them (if the person is unarmed) instead of shooting to kill. But I don’t know what their training tells them about that. JMO

It’s explained back a page or two.

 

[BeckyF]

It’s explained back a page or two.

Thank you.

 

[asmi106082]

Mr Brooks made a bad decision, faced with his pending arrest. He chose to resist, and then to become combative and steal an officers weapon and fire the weapon at the police.

A great man I knew, was shot early this morning. He was a younger retired sheriff, who worked security at a nearby hospital. His gun was taken away by a combative patient who had just assaulted a nurse. He (my friend) was shot and killed by this patient, and immediately the patient was shot and killed by a second security officer who was present. Two lives lost, because a human being made a bad decision. This war on police has got to end.

I’m so very sorry for your loss and the community’s loss.

 

[Snoods]

Well, you could say that about most any inanimate object too. A rolled up newspaper, a pillow or a pencil for instance can be deadly in the right hands. What is important is how the law classifies it.

Actually no, you can’t say that about most any inanimate objects. I have yet to hear of suspects and officers having deadly pillow fights.

 

[Snoods]

I don’t believe *I* saw anyone put the POC on blast for it. IF it happened I assume it would have been deleted.

Post haste!

 

[Snoods]

What non-lethal device would better? One that would not kill but would incapacitate.

Pillows or rolled up newspapers? Or have those already been determined to be deadly weapons. Blowing soap bubbles? No, eye damage.

 

[katydid23]

Training and instinct, especially in the moment, right? So why not shoot him in the leg, to stop him rather than outright kill him?

Because shooting someone in the leg does not stop them from attacking you. Besides, it is not easy to aim that perfectly, especially during a volatile, chaotic situation. Things are simply moving too fast, to hit a tiny target like a leg. Shooters are trained to aim for centre mass because that is the most realistic target one would be able to hit.

 

[katydid23]

Wasn't he running away? Maybe they need to modify their training? Was deadly force warranted? ETA: MOO

I took tae kwon do for years and even the newbie white belts knew it was 2 points to the head and only 1 for the rest of the body. It doesn't mean you're supposed to snap your opponent's neck with a flying kick. Training involves learning how to react in different situations.

He was running TOWARDS the public. A drunk, violent felon, desperate to get away from the cops to avoid violating his parole, was now heading into a neighborhood.

Should cops allow him to run off into a parking lot, full of innocent people? If he had hijacked a car, who was going to be blamed and get fired for allowing him to run off into the night?

 

[Snoods]

Safety Concerns

The TASER device is a non-lethal, weapon.

Taser - Wikipedia

Nowhere in the article you linked does it say a taser is a non-lethal weapon.

From your article:

The TASER device is a less-lethal, not non-lethal, weapon.