GA GA - Shirley, 87, & Russell Dermond, 88, Putnam Co, 2 May 2014 - #13

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Agree There was a lot of hate and angry involved in this premeditated crime. JMO

The only recorded hate in this scenario was between the Nuwabian Cult and Sheriff Sills. If you substitute Sheriff Sills for RD the case solves itself. Thus my pointing out the striking resemblance between RD and Sills. Mistaken identity is the cause. It also explains why the head was removed as a Trophy and to confirm the kill. Also the Nuwabians carried ceremonial swords.

 

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Apr 22, 2025

What would be the motive for a cult member to perform these killings?
That’s the problem I see is there just doesn’t seem to be a motive for anyone to have done this.

The motive is very absent in nearly all theories. I am not the first to suggest that the killings were some sort of revenge by the Nuwaubian Cult. However I am the first to suggest mistaken identity as the trigger. Read my post #1029 for my theory.

1) Sheriff Sills is a likely retribution target of the Nuwaubian Cult due to his past in shutting down their bizarre cult colony in his county and leading to the life...

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2015
''The FBI’s Behavioral Analysis Unit has provided Sills with a broad description of the culprit. “Someone who likes guns and knives,” Sills said, recalling some contents of the FBI’s report.''

“I try to keep an open mind. I try to keep the blinders off, because I don’t want to get tunnel vision on any one person or any one theory. ... Everybody’s got their own theory on what happened -- and a lot of them are possible.” Tips, meanwhile, have run the gamut. None, of course, has panned out. “Anything that is halfway sane is a very plausible theory,” Henry said, “at this point.” He recalls one tipster, though, who was convinced that the killer is an al-Qaida or Islamic State operative. Some have suggested professional hit men as the culprits. Others figure the Dermonds fell prey to a cult. Still others wonder if the slayings were a plot by religious zealots to embarrass the sheriff for sending Nuwaubian leader Dwight York to federal prison for life in a heralded case from a decade ago. Leads have, at times, looked promising. They have merited days, weeks of inquiry. They have led investigators to other parts of Georgia and out of state. Yet they have all, not unlike the villain whose misdeeds provoked them, faded into oblivion for the time being'

Read more at: https://www.macon.com/news/local/crime/article30230859.html#storylink=cpy

 

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This entire case rests on the shoulders of Sheriff Sills. Has he reached out to GBI? I have read that he has not. The GBI itself and the Georgia Prisons are reportedly infiltrated by Nuwabian cult members. What has the FBI done other than profiling? Is Sills even engaged in solving these murders? Every year, come May there is an announcement of "new evidence". Yet nothing results, no followup.

 

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I posted this in post #884:

As far as theories go the one I have the most trouble with in the NC one. I just can't follow the line that a random couple in Putnam County is murdered because they just so happened to reside in the same jurisdiction as SS. The implied link is NC retaliation for SS bringing down the cult leaders and/or make SS look like a fool because the murders cannot be solved. Now, I admit I may have that all wrong but that's how I'm reading it. It would make much more sense for NC retaliation to have been targeting the Federal prosecution team members or better yet, the sentencing Judge. That said, the cult leaders who were sentenced to serve in prison were the indisputable leaders and once they were gone, all that remained was a loose confederacy of followers. I believe some of the cult's rhetoric to have been violent but there does not appear to be any pattern of violence or mayhem attributable to the cult.

 

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I posted this in post #884:

As far as theories go the one I have the most trouble with in the NC one. I just can't follow the line that a random couple in Putnam County is murdered because they just so happened to reside in the same jurisdiction as SS. The implied link is NC retaliation for SS bringing down the cult leaders and/or make SS look like a fool because the murders cannot be solved. Now, I admit I may have that all wrong but that's how I'm reading it. It would make much more sense for NC retaliation to have been targeting the Federal prosecution team members or better yet, the sentencing Judge. That said, the cult leaders who were sentenced to serve in prison were the indisputable leaders and once they were gone, all that remained was a loose confederacy of followers. I believe some of the cult's rhetoric to have been violent but there does not appear to be any pattern of violence or mayhem attributable to the cult.

Erik Alan (post 1,125 above) has a theory that RD was known to Dwight York of NC because they lived within 4 miles of each other in NJ. And that RD could have been a target due to some personal slight, perhaps when RD owned restaurants. Erik Alan also reveals that SS did a public recap (shown on youtube) of the takedown of the cult a week before the murders and a NC member promised a decapitation on youtube. The week after the murder was anniversary of Dwight York incarceration. My theory is that Sheriff Sills was the intended target and that RD resembled him. Sills acknowledged that the NC had once spotted him at downtown Atlanta and 30 members harassed him (and family). I posted a video of RD walking through the supermarket (Publix?) and the resemblance to SS in dress and appearance was uncanny. If you watch that video, at ~1min 10 seconds RD is stopped by someone who speaks to him briefly. The engagement is weird, brief as if they don't know each other but perhaps this other person thought he was familiar. RD walks away and is called back, again very brief interaction. The video does not get a good look at that person. It would be interesting 1) Did FBI review footage and identify that other person? There were several cameras and we see RD enter and leave the store. What about the other person? 2) Does the raw footage of all the store cameras still exist?

 

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Erik Alan (post 1,125 above) has a theory that RD was known to Dwight York of NC because they lived within 4 miles of each other in NJ. And that RD could have been a target due to some personal slight, perhaps when RD owned restaurants. Erik Alan also reveals that SS did a public recap (shown on youtube) of the takedown of the cult a week before the murders and a NC member promised a decapitation on youtube. The week after the murder was anniversary of Dwight York incarceration. My theory is that Sheriff Sills was the intended target and that RD resembled him. Sills acknowledged that the NC had once spotted him at downtown Atlanta and 30 members harassed him (and family). I posted a video of RD walking through the supermarket (Publix?) and the resemblance to SS in dress and appearance was uncanny. If you watch that video, at ~1min 10 seconds RD is stopped by someone who speaks to him briefly. The engagement is weird, brief as if they don't know each other but perhaps this other person thought he was familiar. RD walks away and is called back, again very brief interaction. The video does not get a good look at that person. It would be interesting 1) Did FBI review footage and identify that other person? There were several cameras and we see RD enter and leave the store. What about the other person? 2) Does the raw footage of all the store cameras still exist?

Interesting connections you've made. And down the rabbit hole I go.