I guess, hmm, like SS said, jeesh, found myself thinking it ....."it's what we dont know that's important"
Going inside to get the towels......seemed like an afterthought
If theyd come prepared to do that, they'd have had tarps instead
BUT, they left blood everywhere in the garage
I guess we dont know if something spooked them maybe.........if someone was bitten or shot
My thoughts were that if they took the whole body and dumped him in the lake too, if they surfaced, the dna is still there inside the mouth possibly? (or bullet in head)
Thinking of that, makes me think they DID want her to surface, as Ive wondered from the beginning.........if they wanted her found, they dont want him found with dna in his mouth.......and I dont know what water does if found within 10 days like SD was, certainly any dna or evidence on the clothing or skin was washed away but what about inside the mouth or something on or in the skull, IDK
THere was no need to take him if they had to behead him due to dna or other evidence on his skull and afterwards, cant move him, too much blood to move him
ALso an identifiable bullet also could have still been lodged and that could NOT be discovered by LE
SOMETHING made them cut his head off, SOMETHING did and the towels make me think it wasnt planned
Piling towels under his torso to stop the flow, it all seemed as if something happened that was not planned and it had to be done in their minds and then the blood was everywhere, oh no!
I dont think the morning of the Derby party that either would have been out and about, probably resting and getting ready for the event, errands taken care of thursday and or friday, home preparing a dish or whatever......and they WERE almost 90..........I think, MOO, that whoever did this, KNEW they'd be home together.
I also think they were VERY comfortable in that home, due to the time spent there, going in the house, boating on the lake, they knew the D's well
Like SS says, they had no enemies, nothing sinister in their lives or accts.......implying no one would want to kill them, very simple lives........I agree, I dont think it was some crime of passion sts, I would say some crazy stranger did this but they wouldnt hang around so long Id think and it was clearly 2 or more people involved, one to boat, 2 to restrain and I agree and have said, there would have been a mess
No mess except the garage, this had to be planned, who wanted it done and who did it may be separate people all together, and the one hiring this out problaby didnt want him beheaded, but due to some unforeseen circumstances, they did
From reports SD was an early riser, she was dressed in casual day clothes, RD was known to lounge in his robe if he had no plans for the day
MOre than likely and typically, the remaining spouse receives, not the family, except for minor things or momentos
SS didnt mention anything unusual about the will, not that he WOULD but he's still perplexed by the whol ething, I would hope he had their wills and if he saw a red flag, he would be investigating family now......I see what you are saying though.......I feel, FEEL like, which means nothing really LOL, but that their wills were pretty simple, each spouse received after the first one passed.......Remember RD DID start the franchises for the kids so I dont think he'd stiff them in the end
I do think that if one lived, the other one would need all the money for a nursing home, family would have had to deal with her becasue she would have been a basket case Im sure.....OMG .......Ive posted this time and gain......... KD SAID........basically......... it was just as well mom died too, she wouldnt have wanted to live without RD
Rambling middle-of-the-night thoughts...
Good point about a boat in the night not being identifiable, at least to any detailed extent.
It also might explain why one body was taken and the other not taken (not enough space in the boat?)..
But it seems like (imho) if they arrived by boat, there would be absolutely zero question that this was a planned and targeted murder.. but if planned, then how did they miss thinking about two bodies not fitting into their boat?
And because one body doesn't fit, they then decide to behead it instead and just take the head with them?
Makes me wonder if this targeted event was only planned for ONE of them, and possibly the second victim was not supposed to have been there at all, but ended up becoming collateral damage?
It seems like SD was pretty low key and benign, and seems unlikely she would have been the 'target'.. so if we go on this 'theory' as suggested above, the target would've likely been RD (son BD found it worthy of mentioning to media following his dad's death, that RD had been a strict disciplinarian (funny thing to mention when the man has been brutally murdered? Why not focus on his finer attributes instead of bringing old grievances to the surface for all to see??), so perhaps RD wasn't such an easy-going guy? And perhaps someone had a serious beef with him?).
I can't imagine that a beheading would be an afterthought.. I mean, who would just suddenly think of such a thing on the spur of the moment, just because two bodies wouldn't fit in a boat, and then in addition, have the guts to actually carry it out, and not only carry it out, but with some kind of precision which suggests it wasn't a rushed job? I'm thinking the beheading must have been the plan to begin with, while the removal of SD was the afterthought.
If I follow along with this 'theory'.. what would have happened if RD *had* been alone in the home, instead of both of them?
If this had happened while SD was not home, she would've come home to wonder where RD was, finding his clothes still there, but no sign of RD.. how long would it have taken her to venture out to the garage to find him? Would she have called police, friends, her kids, if she couldn't find him, and how long would that have taken for her to do so? Would someone else have found him, or would she have gone down those garage steps (she couldn't do stairs apparently?), checked the garage all the way around the cars, or would she have just looked from the house-garage-doorway to see that both vehicles were still there, and been none the wiser? Or would she have gone outside to use the auto-garage-door-opener to open the overhead door from the outside and found him right there? To whose horror were the perps hoping would be first to find that headless body, and why?
I wonder if SD had made any plans for that time period, to be out of the house somewhere, perhaps with someone, and if so, who knew about it ahead of time, and did those plans end up falling through at last minute? Why was she dressed and ready to roll, while RD was still in bathrobe?
It doesn't seem like this was a 'crime of passion' where someone got in a tiff with RD and completely lost it, because there was no mess, and the beheading was apparently done fairly neatly. It doesn't seem like this was a random 'thrill-kill', because there was no mess at all, steps were taken to hide the blood and postpone the body being found and nothing taken.
Was it a hired killing? If hired to kill and behead RD, but both people were killed instead, did the hit-person still get paid, or get into trouble for not following the plan, or get paid double for doing both?
I would like to know if both Wills were the same, if the one spouse survived the other. ie if SD died first, she may have left her estate to her husband, or may have distributed her estate equally amongst FOUR people (instead of 3); if RD died first, he may have taken care of SD first and then donated the rest to charity, or distributed it equally amongst the THREE surviving children with only a small amount to the fourth child's offspring. I wonder this because of obits I have seen online, wherein it suggests to me the family was firm about RD having passed away FIRST. Most times when a couple dies together and it is too difficult to tell which one died first, with 100% certainty, it is simply said that they passed together, but not this one. Just because RD's body was discovered first, doesn't mean he was first to die.
