GA GA - Shirley, 87, & Russell Dermond, 88, Putnam County, 2 May 2014 - #10

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hey was there 2 cap blocks or just one? they are solid right? bigger than a regular cinder block with the 2 openings? The latter is what we used with our buoy and floats and jetski to anchor and just one.

New details as mystery reigns in year-old Dermond lake ...
http://www.macon.com/2015/05/02/3726718/new-details-as-mystery-reigns.html
The Telegraph
May 2, 2015 - Weighed down by a pair of 30-pound concrete blocks, her corpse bloated and ... Shirley Dermond's killer had apparently used to anchor her to the lake floor. ... “I'm the sheriff of Putnam County, Georgia. .

I can't remember if we have ever had an accurate description of the blocks or seen a picture of them? Nor do I recall any description or the rope or knots used? Did he actually weigh the blocks or was this a guesstimate? They probably weigh more when they have been submerged for some time. There was discussion earlier that they could have been cap blocks, but it would seem to be harder to tie and keep a secure rope onto them than the cinder blocks. A search on the weight for different blocks showed they vary by shape, size and weight under different web sites.

This linked picture listing shows a block that weighs 30lbs and it only has one hole.

10 x 8 x 8 1/2 block SKU# 355 30 lbs

http://www.marshallconcreteproducts.com/GreyBlockShapesandSizes
 
  • #162
Just curious. Not sure about RP/GW, but in some GA gated communities, the developer has the first right of refusal when a property sells. Guess, this is for inventory purposes, and to prevent, below market sales to prevent driving down other home prices.. jmo
I find it unusual that the sale price is $100,000.00 higher than the asking price prior to the home being taken off the market in April 2015....

Maybe there was a bidding war and it went up that much? It's a beautiful home and someone purchased it at a real bargain. I imagine the value will just increase as time goes by.
 
  • #163
New details as mystery reigns in year-old Dermond lake ...
http://www.macon.com/2015/05/02/3726718/new-details-as-mystery-reigns.html
The Telegraph
May 2, 2015 - Weighed down by a pair of 30-pound concrete blocks, her corpse bloated and ... Shirley Dermond's killer had apparently used to anchor her to the lake floor. ... “I'm the sheriff of Putnam County, Georgia. .


thank you

well clearly she rose to the surface enough to snag on that tree, somewhere i thought i read she was as if staked on the top of the tree trunk stump, and I dont' know what that looks like over there in the stumps but I know what blackshear looks like, but if they weren't sticking up more than 8 " or so, the water level could cover and uncover the turnks as the "tide" changes

I just know from experience, we used 1 cinder block with the holes and buoy for our jetski, it didnt' move unless there was tons of waves and the summer time you get those, our river isn't as wide as the oconnee in the area she was found or near the dam so it gets a lot of beating up sometimes form the traffic here

before memorial day the traffic is minimal to none

she was too far from the dam IIRC to have any effect of the dam spill and I'm certainn it doesn't churn up the lake for a mile, maybe only at the dam site would be my guess, of course there are no houses nearest to the dam to worry about that if it does

Unless they dumped her initially nearer to the dam and she got pused back underwater

I guess anything can happen but these aren't typically rough waters, ive been near the dam several times and it was very calm and it was evening, i think that's usually when they spill because the water on sinclair side is usually higher late evening as if the tide came in

Right now i'd say she was dropped in the vicinity she was found, she doesnt' weigh more than a jetski and if the water was pretty calm, you might bounce but not move along if anchored
 
  • #164
I can't remember if we have ever had an accurate description of the blocks or seen a picture of them? Nor do I recall any description or the rope or knots used? Did he actually weigh the blocks or was this a guesstimate? They probably weigh more when they have been submerged for some time. There was discussion earlier that they could have been cap blocks, but it would seem to be harder to tie and keep a secure rope onto them than the cinder blocks. A search on the weight for different blocks showed they vary by shape, size and weight under different web sites.

This linked picture listing shows a block that weighs 30lbs and it only has one hole.

10 x 8 x 8 1/2 block SKU# 355 30 lbs

http://www.marshallconcreteproducts.com/GreyBlockShapesandSizes

I thougth I saw a posted cap block picture as the type, maybe not

I can tell you that I hauled a small log with rope in the water while pulling with a boat and it was just loosely tied around it, it'll stay for while

But as time goes by also, mud gets slick on anything under water, blocks, rope, wood and the rope can slip

Be interesting to know what kind for sure, if the holes then it wouldn't slip nor would rope come untied, but it does get slick and with a slick muddly slimy rope and flesh breaking down, that would come undone, surprised it was still there, assuming it was all in tact for their to be reports of her being weighted with blocks
 
  • #165
Per the public records posted 5/28 in the Eatonton Msgr, the property was transferred.
Date: 4/30/15
Price: $650,000

that was a quick sale!

putnam qpublic, if sold, tax assessors haven' t updated yet, probably was many offers and they took the highest as people knew it was worth more

03/16/2015 828 493 16 18- $ 0 DEED OF ASSENT DERMOND RUSSELL J ESTATE DERMOND KEITH B & ET AL
03/16/2015 828 491 16 18- $ 0 DEED OF ASSENT DERMOND SHIRLEY W ESTATE DERMOND KEITH B & ET AL
08/02/1994 141 1 44 16 1 8 $ 0 GIFT DERMOND RUSSELL J
08/02/1994 141 1 42 16 1 8 $ 138,000 Fair Market Value DERMOND RUSSELL J
07/02/1989 7-S 4 47 16 2 0 $ 99,000 Fair Market Value MC
 
  • #166
Maybe there was a bidding war and it went up that much? It's a beautiful home and someone purchased it at a real bargain. I imagine the value will just increase as time goes by.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...County-2-4-May-2014-9&p=11736017#post11736017

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Originally posted by Foxfire 04/29/2015
PUBLIC RECORD
<For Sale $523,000.00
147 Carolyn Dr
Eatonton, GA 31024
http://www.trulia.com/homes/Georgia/...-31024#photo-4
 
  • #167
Likely not related at all, to the Dermond case or to each other, but...a couple of new reports from Putnam County:


Putnam deputy shoots and kills knife-wielding man

...
Considering the initial evidence, Sills has no doubt the shooting was justified.

&#8220;There was no question from anybody I talked to... that he had more than one knife,&#8221; he said. ...
more at: http://www.macon.com/2015/05/28/376...and-kills.html#storylink=omni_popular#wgt=pop


Missing man apparently found dead in Putnam County

...
Although the body was badly decomposed, Sills is convinced it is <snipped name of deceased>, who lived in Greene County, but washed cars in Putnam County.

A week and a half ago, <snipped name> did not return a car to its owner, who reported it missing. ...

...The Putnam County Sheriff&#8217;s Office was actively working the case after hearing rumors <snipped name> had been murdered.

At this point, Sills has no reason to suspect the man was a victim of anything other than an accident.

The body has been sent to the GBI crime lab for an autopsy....

more at: http://www.macon.com/2015/05/28/376...ound-dead.html#storylink=omni_popular#wgt=pop
 
  • #168
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good view of house and dock and lake frontage, probably could park an inconspicuous boat on the other side of the portable lift, cove side, the green awning sits lower than a roof, small cat walk for loading and unloading, probably wouldn't even notice a boat, well at night, at all
 
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IMG_0772.jpgIMG_0777.jpgIMG_0771.jpgIMG_0770.jpgloooooong sparta hwy 10 miles or so from LS resize.jpg147 carolyn dr to Lawrence shoals boat ramp, by water, Total distance: 8.06 mi (12.98 km)

147 carolyn dr to riley shoals, 2 miles before lawrence shoals, Total distance: 6.11 mi (9.83 km)

Distance from Riley shoals to Wallace Dam, Total distance: 1.91 mi (3.07 km) or a little more

DIstance from Lawrence Shoals ramp to Wallace Dam, Total distance: 2,475.74 ft (754.6 m)


The body pulled from the water on Friday was about 5 to 6 miles away from the couple's home.

http://www.13wmaz.com/story/news/local/hancock/2014/05/16/lake-oconee-body-putnam-county/9187743/

The sheriff said the search for Russell Dermond’s missing head will focus in the lake around the area where his wife’s body was found — ” literally almost in the middle of Lake Oconee,” on the Greene County side, the sheriff said. The water there is deep, about 50 feet, he said.

http://www.ajc.com/news/news/body-found-at-lake-oconee/nfyLR/
 
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View attachment 75507View attachment 75508View attachment 75509View attachment 75510View attachment 75511147 carolyn dr to Lawrence shoals boat ramp, by water, Total distance: 8.06 mi (12.98 km)

147 carolyn dr to riley shoals, 2 miles before lawrence shoals, Total distance: 6.11 mi (9.83 km)

Distance from Riley shoals to Wallace Dam, Total distance: 1.91 mi (3.07 km) or a little more

DIstance from Lawrence Shoals ramp to Wallace Dam, Total distance: 2,475.74 ft (754.6 m)


The body pulled from the water on Friday was about 5 to 6 miles away from the couple's home.

http://www.13wmaz.com/story/news/local/hancock/2014/05/16/lake-oconee-body-putnam-county/9187743/

The sheriff said the search for Russell Dermond&#8217;s missing head will focus in the lake around the area where his wife&#8217;s body was found &#8212; &#8221; literally almost in the middle of Lake Oconee,&#8221; on the Greene County side, the sheriff said. The water there is deep, about 50 feet, he said.

http://www.ajc.com/news/news/body-found-at-lake-oconee/nfyLR/

picture 4 of 5 shows the direction in which she was found, riley shoals is just after the last bend coming down towards the dam, it's still quite a distance, but closer to the dam than her home

So close to Lawrence shoals boat ramp, they were headed in that direction, maybe thinking get rid of her before they get to the boat ramp the reason they didnt' go closer to the dam, someone COULD have seen tho it's very sparcely populated, if any population, dont' know what the guys at the dam can see or if they are like lighthouse keepers watching the river constantly

Initially I was wondering if they had dumped her off the bridge and maybe she drifted down that way. I dont' remember what it looks like when crossing, No traffic much on that road or in the water that time of year

With the water 50 ft deep in that area, im surprised she surfaced at all, unless they did place her on that tree but what's the point in the cinder blocks?

I just really wonder if they placed her in that general area she was found, dont' think she'd drift that much in 2 weeks, unless she had been dropped in more shallow water, I think most of the current would be on the top by waves boats create and there are few high power boats during that time of year as those are used for water sports mostly

So now wondering, does a body sink to the bottom of 50 ft of water when deceased with 60 lbs of concrete block attached to you? or do you float, that is less than she weighed by half I'm guessing, at least

ACH! IDK, still looking for wallace dam images and how much it stirs up and how far and for how long it lasts after transfer
 
  • #171
picture 4 of 5 shows the direction in which she was found, riley shoals is just after the last bend coming down towards the dam, it's still quite a distance, but closer to the dam than her home

So close to Lawrence shoals boat ramp, they were headed in that direction, maybe thinking get rid of her before they get to the boat ramp the reason they didnt' go closer to the dam, someone COULD have seen tho it's very sparcely populated, if any population, dont' know what the guys at the dam can see or if they are like lighthouse keepers watching the river constantly

Initially I was wondering if they had dumped her off the bridge and maybe she drifted down that way. I dont' remember what it looks like when crossing, No traffic much on that road or in the water that time of year

With the water 50 ft deep in that area, im surprised she surfaced at all, unless they did place her on that tree but what's the point in the cinder blocks?

I just really wonder if they placed her in that general area she was found, dont' think she'd drift that much in 2 weeks, unless she had been dropped in more shallow water, I think most of the current would be on the top by waves boats create and there are few high power boats during that time of year as those are used for water sports mostly

So now wondering, does a body sink to the bottom of 50 ft of water when deceased with 60 lbs of concrete block attached to you? or do you float, that is less than she weighed by half I'm guessing, at least

ACH! IDK, still looking for wallace dam images and how much it stirs up and how far and for how long it lasts after transfer

'Dancinunderthemoon, drowning victims/deceased victims, even without attached weights, initially sink to the bottom. Once the gases build up, the bloating causes buoyancy and the body floats to the surface'.
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Ritz lodge four miles away. It was there, five miles from the Dermond home, that two fishermen found Shirley Dermond&#8217;s body.

Ten days had passed since her husband was found slain, and now here she was in the water, her back to the sky. Her body had been weighed down and placed where it was found. Sills won&#8217;t elaborate, just that her killer meant for the 46-foot-deep water to be her tomb. Her body had swelled and bobbed to the surface, snagging in a treetop left over from when the river was flooded to build the lake.

When the sheriff got there on a patrol boat, he reached over the side and wrapped his arms around the body. Good God, he thought. It was bloated twice its living size. He needed help heaving it into the boat.

- See more at: http://www.atlantamagazine.com/grea...d-sills-chases-a-killer/#sthash.W1EznHmM.dpuf

Relentless: Putnam County Sheriff Howard Sills chases a killer

In Putnam County, everybody knows Howard Sills, and Howard Sills knows everybody&#8212;except who brutally murdered an elderly couple on Lake Oconee last May. After four decades of always getting his man, has the sheriff met his match?
May 6, 2015 Joe Kovac Jr.
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According to the principle of Archimedes, when a solid is placed in a fluid (a liquid or a gas), it is subject to an upward force equal in magnitude to the weight of the fluid it has displaced.
 
  • #172
wallace10.jpgthis is the oconee side

Lake Sinclair Dam flood gates open, Milledgeville Georgia, Baldwin County GA. .JPGSinclair Dam flood gates 12 _09.JPG these are sinclair side
 
  • #173
'Dancinunderthemoon, drowning victims/deceased victims, even without attached weights, initially sink to the bottom. Once the gases build up, the bloating causes buoyancy and the body floats to the surface'.
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Ritz lodge four miles away. It was there, five miles from the Dermond home, that two fishermen found Shirley Dermond&#8217;s body.

Ten days had passed since her husband was found slain, and now here she was in the water, her back to the sky. Her body had been weighed down and placed where it was found. Sills won&#8217;t elaborate, just that her killer meant for the 46-foot-deep water to be her tomb. Her body had swelled and bobbed to the surface, snagging in a treetop left over from when the river was flooded to build the lake.

When the sheriff got there on a patrol boat, he reached over the side and wrapped his arms around the body. Good God, he thought. It was bloated twice its living size. He needed help heaving it into the boat.

- See more at: http://www.atlantamagazine.com/grea...d-sills-chases-a-killer/#sthash.W1EznHmM.dpuf

Relentless: Putnam County Sheriff Howard Sills chases a killer

In Putnam County, everybody knows Howard Sills, and Howard Sills knows everybody&#8212;except who brutally murdered an elderly couple on Lake Oconee last May. After four decades of always getting his man, has the sheriff met his match?
May 6, 2015 Joe Kovac Jr.
__________

According to the principle of Archimedes, when a solid is placed in a fluid (a liquid or a gas), it is subject to an upward force equal in magnitude to the weight of the fluid it has displaced.

Thank you, I posted another article it said 5-6miles, 6 is about right at Riley Shoals, after the last bend, a mile would probably be just before or at the last bend if you look at google maps

I figured it would sink but just got to questioning it

If there is no reservoir for the water to initally spill into and it didnt' look like it did from pics i looked at and the one I posted of wallace dam, if she'd been found closer to the dam than 3 miles, where she was found, I'd think that she was dropped at the dam and washed back up river, away from the spill but I don't know, people fish there and that would be dangerous to just let it out, most have a reservoir it appears from pics of other GA dams, there is a park there and boat ramp, dont need all that kind of churning going on for 2-3 miles, night or day, people are out there

But the fact that she was so far away from the dam, I think she was dropped there or near there before gases released

I read what you posted also, but wasnt sure if they were sure still, originally SS said she was "placed there" early on

I knew the gasses caused her to surface, luckily she was found and did snag on tree trunk

147 carolyn dr to riley shoals, 2 miles by water, before lawrence shoals, Total distance: 6.11 mi (9.83 km) 5 if before that bend in the river

Distance from Riley shoals to Wallace Dam, Total distance: 1.91 mi (3.07 km) or add a mile if she was exactly 5 miles by water from home so almost 3 from the dam

Just thoughts, was trying to discern if she was dropped close to the dam by road and washed back or if dropped nearer to where she was discovered

Dont' think I made any new discoveries, lol
 
  • #174
Ritz lodge is not near the dam, it's north of the D's on another section of the river
 
  • #175
'Dancinunderthemoon, drowning victims/deceased victims, even without attached weights, initially sink to the bottom. Once the gases build up, the bloating causes buoyancy and the body floats to the surface'.
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Ritz lodge four miles away. It was there, five miles from the Dermond home, that two fishermen found Shirley Dermond&#8217;s body.

Ten days had passed since her husband was found slain, and now here she was in the water, her back to the sky. Her body had been weighed down and placed where it was found. Sills won&#8217;t elaborate, just that her killer meant for the 46-foot-deep water to be her tomb. Her body had swelled and bobbed to the surface, snagging in a treetop left over from when the river was flooded to build the lake.

When the sheriff got there on a patrol boat, he reached over the side and wrapped his arms around the body. Good God, he thought. It was bloated twice its living size. He needed help heaving it into the boat.

- See more at: http://www.atlantamagazine.com/grea...d-sills-chases-a-killer/#sthash.W1EznHmM.dpuf

Relentless: Putnam County Sheriff Howard Sills chases a killer

In Putnam County, everybody knows Howard Sills, and Howard Sills knows everybody&#8212;except who brutally murdered an elderly couple on Lake Oconee last May. After four decades of always getting his man, has the sheriff met his match?
May 6, 2015 Joe Kovac Jr.
__________

According to the principle of Archimedes, when a solid is placed in a fluid (a liquid or a gas), it is subject to an upward force equal in magnitude to the weight of the fluid it has displaced.

That he wouldn't elaborate made me wonder if the rope and/or the block itself had hung up in the tree on the way down and she bobbed up the length of the rope to the surface? How long would she stay up near the surface if she was caught on the tree top? Do boaters and fishermen normally visit this area to fish?

The time I saw a body floating in the river, it was huge and unmistakable as to what it was. When LE arrived, they had to have masks on because of the odor. They also wore suits to cover their clothes and they used bull hooks to move the body closer to the boat. Why would Sills have contaminated the body and destroyed any evidence by trying to lift it up into the boat himself? Was he trying to lift the body and the rope and the blocks at the same time? Why wouldn't they have used a tarp or body bag?
 
  • #176
That he wouldn't elaborate made me wonder if the rope and/or the block itself had hung up in the tree on the way down and she bobbed up the length of the rope to the surface? How long would she stay up near the surface if she was caught on the tree top? Do boaters and fishermen normally visit this area to fish?

The time I saw a body floating in the river, it was huge and unmistakable as to what it was. When LE arrived, they had to have masks on because of the odor. They also wore suits to cover their clothes and they used bull hooks to move the body closer to the boat. Why would Sills have contaminated the body and destroyed any evidence by trying to lift it up into the boat himself? Was he trying to lift the body and the rope and the blocks at the same time? Why wouldn't they have used a tarp or body bag?

yes, me too, must've been a gory site

wondered was there any forensics left after being in the water for 2 weeks? maybe that's why? IDK.....but I wondered how much there was of her to hang on to and why there wasn't a better way to retrieve the body

Poor lady, I'm glad they found her though
 
  • #177
That he wouldn't elaborate made me wonder if the rope and/or the block itself had hung up in the tree on the way down and she bobbed up the length of the rope to the surface? How long would she stay up near the surface if she was caught on the tree top? Do boaters and fishermen normally visit this area to fish?

The time I saw a body floating in the river, it was huge and unmistakable as to what it was. When LE arrived, they had to have masks on because of the odor. They also wore suits to cover their clothes and they used bull hooks to move the body closer to the boat. Why would Sills have contaminated the body and destroyed any evidence by trying to lift it up into the boat himself? Was he trying to lift the body and the rope and the blocks at the same time? Why wouldn't they have used a tarp or body bag?

I agree watcher9, my first theory is that Mrs D's remains may have been placed at upstream and then drifted towards the dam due to the lakes river channel current when the spillways were activated to generate electricity. After further thought, imo, due to the nearby boat ramp where the perp/s vehicle/boat trailer was likely parked. To prevent detection, the perps likely worked in the darkness to dump her remains and the anchor rope/s inadvertently became entangled on a tree limb of the submerged treetops.. Preventing her remains from sinking down to the depths of the lake bottom to never be found...
 
  • #178
I agree watcher9, my first theory is that Mrs D's remains may have been placed at upstream and then drifted towards the dam due to the lakes river channel current when the spillways were activated to generate electricity. After further thought, imo, due to the nearby boat ramp where the perp/s vehicle/boat trailer was likely parked. To prevent detection, the perps likely worked in the darkness to dump her remains and the anchor rope/s inadvertently became entangled on a tree limb of the submerged treetops.. Preventing her remains from sinking down to the depths of the lake bottom to never be found...

Good theory about the entanglement, it was dark and they didnt' see that she didnt' sink to he bottom of 50' or even 30', depending on how far from middle of the river she was found

My question was, would she rise to the surface if anchored in water 50' deep or more, must've been in water not so deep and already entangled so not to be at the bottom

My mind can rest, this makes a lot of sense ff

So we can probably surmise, a boat was used and not a car to drop something from the bridge
 
  • #179
Good theory about the entanglement, it was dark and they didnt' see that she didnt' sink to he bottom of 50' or even 30', depending on how far from middle of the river she was found

My question was, would she rise to the surface if anchored in water 50' deep or more, must've been in water not so deep and already entangled so not to be at the bottom

My mind can rest, this makes a lot of sense ff

So we can probably surmise, a boat was used and not a car to drop something from the bridge

That would be my guess, dancinunderthemoon.. Chances of her emerging from 46' depths of the lake floor would be doubtful, imo, due to the weight of the cinder blocks combined with the rope/s, clothing, or body becoming entangled on the tree limbs.

We worked a lot of accidental drownings on the Chattahoochee River in Atlanta.. Most times they would get entangled on fallen tree limbs and float up becoming visible after about ten days, depending on the time of year/water temperature. Wondering what the lengths of the anchor ropes were? A lot of info about the perp/s can be determined by the type of rope, as well as the knot/s used.

Imo, due to Mrs D's body size, the 60# of weight alone would have been sufficient to keep her body submerged...
The info of the multiple blows and that a hammer like object was used is also very interesting, imo. This signature aspect of these soulless savage/s are a unique and integral part of their deviant behavior and indicates their viciousness and intent on causing the victim unnecessary/needless severe pain, imo..
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The Apalachee River is one of the two rivers that feed Lake Oconee.. This caught my interest for several reasons.. History, specifically native american/mound dwellers history is a hobby of mine. Many of the Islands on Lake Oconee are indian mounds. It is very possible, and even likely, imo, that the trees where Mrs D was located grew from an Apalachee Indian Mound.. The Appalachian Mountains, thought to be the oldest mountains in the world are named after the Apalachee Indians; today called the East Missippians, who are now based in Louisianna..
 
  • #180
That would be my guess, dancinunderthemoon.. Chances of her emerging from 46' depths of the lake floor would be doubtful, imo, due to the weight of the cinder blocks combined with the rope/s, clothing, or body becoming entangled on the tree limbs.

We worked a lot of accidental drownings on the Chattahoochee River in Atlanta.. Most times they would get entangled on fallen tree limbs and float up becoming visible after about ten days, depending on the time of year/water temperature. Wondering what the lengths of the anchor ropes were? A lot of info about the perp/s can be determined by the type of rope, as well as the knot/s used.

Imo, due to Mrs D's body size, the 60# of weight alone would have been sufficient to keep her body submerged...
The info of the multiple blows and that a hammer like object was used is also very interesting, imo. This signature aspect of these soulless savage/s are a unique and integral part of their deviant behavior and indicates their viciousness and intent on causing the victim unnecessary/needless severe pain, imo..
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The Apalachee River is one of the two rivers that feed Lake Oconee.. This caught my interest for several reasons.. History, specifically native american/mound dwellers history is a hobby of mine. Many of the Islands on Lake Oconee are indian mounds. It is very possible, and even likely, imo, that the trees where Mrs D was located grew from an Apalachee Indian Mound.. The Appalachian Mountains, thought to be the oldest mountains in the world are named after the Apalachee Indians; today called the East Missippians, who are now based in Louisianna..

That is very interesting about the mounds and apalachee indians. Funny, yesterday, I was thinking about coves and how they are formed due to the layout of the land once the river is dammed, it's basically just land on the shore that was just a little lower than the shore around it, allowing it to flood, so it stands to reason that there could be various land levels under the water, I"m sure in the 50's no one put up a fight over an indian mound like they would (and rightfully should), today, Im not familiar with their size but if they were right along the rivers edge, could be

Ok, so allow me to start with these images.......

th.jpgtypes_of_anchors1.jpgfig7.gif

Could we entertain the thought, since we are pretty certain a boat was used in this crime, that she was hit with a boat anchor with sharp points and ski rope or boat tie down rope was used to anchor her? Pontoon boats do pull skiers and tubers if the engine is big enough, as well as v hull type boats which is more the norm for skiers

Just making assessments on the types of rope

I do not know what other uses there is for rope. I'm sure there are many but the only thing we use rope for is our boats

We use various types of robe, but a certain kind for tubing and skiing, so there's a clue I guess, if we knew the type rope

Also, a smaller rope is used for many sailboats

Another thought is that if you tie the rope around a solid cinder block like a package ribbon, it would hold I would imagine but maybe not a ski rope, they are slicker BUT they do not expand and stretch when wet and movement, like the cotton/cloth types do, sorry, not familiar with what ropes are made of

I am guessing the blocks were still attached, since there was a description given
 
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