GA GA - Shirley, 87, & Russell Dermond, 88, Putnam County, 2 May 2014 - # 4

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PROBABLY not related at all, but... was just wondering if any of the rest of you ran across this today:



more at: http://www.macon.com/2014/05/28/3119480/mans-body-found-in-lake-near-georgia.html#wgt=rcntnews

The wording in the article about the head and body is what caught my eye particularly -- exactly what is it meaning?

(About 2 Hours drive from RP/GW)

Green Island Hills Golf, Lake, and Tennis Community
www.columbushomeshow.com/green-island-hills.php
Green Island Hills is a prestigious area of North Columbus that is adjacent to Lake Oliver. Green Island is a lake, golf, and tennis community and is certainly one of the most desired places to live in Columbus, GA.

http://www.columbushomeshow.com/green-island-hills.php
 
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I agree, death by BFT does not HAVE to involve a bloody scene. Many times the bleeding is going on inside the skull and its not necessarily true that a killing blow to the head causes gushing of blood outside of the skull to the degree where it would create a messy difficult to manage or clean up scene.


I'm trying to find a clearer article but in reading this I think it might just mean that the couple saw the head first. His body was recovered, with head and waiting on an autopsy?
 
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(About 2 Hours drive from RP/GW)

Green Island Hills Golf, Lake, and Tennis Community
www.columbushomeshow.com/green-island-hills.php
Green Island Hills is a prestigious area of North Columbus that is adjacent to Lake Oliver. Green Island is a lake, golf, and tennis community and is certainly one of the most desired places to live in Columbus, GA.

http://www.columbushomeshow.com/green-island-hills.php

Do you feel they could be related to the killer/killers? Or would this death in the lake simply be a drowning? Curious with it being another prestigious area on the lake. TIA
 
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Do you feel they could be related to the killer/killers? Or would this death in the lake simply be a drowning? Curious with it being another prestigious area on the lake. TIA

Not sure, COG. Could just be an accidental drowning, etc.. Hard to tell by the way the MSM article is written..
 
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I'm trying to find a clearer article but in reading this I think it might just mean that the couple saw the head first. His body was recovered, with head and waiting on an autopsy?

I'm thinking that is likely correct, cog -- just thought the wording was a bit odd, so was not completely sure.
 
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OK, here are further details:

Coroner: Lake Oliver man's drowning under investigation

...Bryan initially reported the death as self-inflicted, but retracted when officials determined the body would be sent to Atlanta for autopsy. The man's cause of death is under investigation....
http://www.ledger-enquirer.com/2014/05/27/3123694/coroner-drowning-victim-located.html


Does sound like head and body were not separated.

Sad, though.

ETA: Also --

Update: Body recovered from Lake Oliver identified



...An investigation is underway to determine the official cause of death but foul play is not suspected....

Police found a note from the man in his car parked nearby....

more at: http://www.wrbl.com/story/25620821/apparent-drowning-victim-recovered-at-lake-oliver


A 43-year-old Ft. Benning soldier. RIP.
 
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In the article from the Eatonton Messenger Friday edition that was posted upthread... " A tip being pursued Friday morning involved a man who reportedly went to the Huddle House in Greene County and said he needed to see surveillance tapes from the business.

Sills instructed detectives to check that, and if it were someone not an officer, to turn it over to Greene County Sheriff’s Office for an arrest."

So the man wasn't from the PCSD,or Sills would know? Right?
And if he was from Greene Co. SD or the FBI, Sills would know. Right?
So who was this person?
Any ideas?

Thanks for posting the article. It hadn't showed up in my searches.
 
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I'm thinking that is likely correct, cog -- just thought the wording was a bit odd, so was not completely sure.

I wonder sometimes how they can print an article that is so confusing. Even if very little info is available try to make the article have some sense to it.
 
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Following up with Jo in Calif and Rhyolite, Some thoughts:

On the issue of a fatal head injury, I am visualizing the discovery of Mrs. Dermond. The two fishermen saw something, determined it was the body they had been watching for, and did what? Would they have, regardless of the awful scene, been unable to resist taking a few photos with their phones? Then, after calling the law, they waited and watched. I would think when Sheriff Sills got the call, he grabbed his respirator and went.

Surely per procedure, no one would have disturbed the scene. I picture Sheriff Sills slowly going in a circle around the corpse, taking scores of photos and using a voice recorder to make notes as he went, being very careful to preserve evidence. Then, he would get closer and closer, and finally to examine very closely the condition of every part of the corpse, perhaps especially the head. If, and this is a big if, he could later say there were no "glaring" signs of trauma, and he spoke truth, the fatal injury was relatively less dramatic than if the victim were struck with a vicious weapon, and struck many times in many places.

So, the fatal blow must have been, for lack of a better term, "soft", and perhaps not meant to be fatal?

The autopsy results were death due to blunt force trauma. In the case of Mrs. Dermond, it seems she was not killed by an attack so viscious that there were injuries easily seen by a trained police officer.

It would be useful to know if Mrs. Dermond was struck one time, many times, from the front, from the back, from the side, etc. If she was struck once from the back, and not particularly hard, she may have never known what happened. And is it possible that the blow was not necessarily meant to be fatal?

It seems clear that an equivalent type of blow could have felled Mr. Dermond resulting in almost no obvious cause of death. The killer could then have done as he pleased. No noise and all the time necessary to "work" with his favorite tools...
 
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In the article from the Eatonton Messenger Friday edition that was posted upthread... " A tip being pursued Friday morning involved a man who reportedly went to the Huddle House in Greene County and said he needed to see surveillance tapes from the business.

Sills instructed detectives to check that, and if it were someone not an officer, to turn it over to Greene County Sheriff’s Office for an arrest."

So the man wasn't from the PCSD,or Sills would know? Right?
And if he was from Greene Co. SD or the FBI, Sills would know. Right?
So who was this person?
Any ideas?

Thanks for posting the article. It hadn't showed up in my searches.

Hi, I wondered aloud earlier if it might just be a normal joe like us. This person may have just said that they (police/investigators) need to review all tapes. They may have asked IF this HH's tapes had been requested.

Of course it could just be some oddball wannabe cop thinking he would do the work himself.
 
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Would it be possibly to say pull up to the Dermond's dock and say either Russell or Shirley is on back deck or back yard area and only 1 greeted this person arriving by water. Do you think if the spouse were in say the Garage or Kitchen would they hear the boat?

In my crazy mind I keep seeing the killer knocked out 1 spouse and casually arrived in the home and found the intended target. Either Shirley or Russell. But wouldn't the intended be Russell since he was beheaded?

He could have thrown Shirley in the boat and just dropped her as he did with minimal effort.

WHY take the head? I can't get that part figured out in my brain.

Just thinking out loud. Sorry... :(
 
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Would it be possibly to say pull up to the Dermond's dock and say either Russell or Shirley is on back deck or back yard area and only 1 greeted this person arriving by water. Do you think if the spouse were in say the Garage or Kitchen would they hear the boat?

In my crazy mind I keep seeing the killer knocked out 1 spouse and casually arrived in the home and found the intended target. Either Shirley or Russell. But wouldn't the intended be Russell since he was beheaded?

He could have thrown Shirley in the boat and just dropped her as he did with minimal effort.

WHY take the head? I can't get that part figured out in my brain.

Just thinking out loud. Sorry... :(

How many reasons can we think of for any nutcase to take the head? Hide evidence? Sure. Evil wannabe doctor practicing? Maybe. The head was valuable as a symbol of something? Hmmm...

Don't apologize for thinking. Keep it up.
 
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Hi, I wondered aloud earlier if it might just be a normal joe like us. This person may have just said that they (police/investigators) need to review all tapes. They may have asked IF this HH's tapes had been requested.

Of course it could just be some oddball wannabe cop thinking he would do the work himself.

Why wouldn't the person call the sheriff or the tip line?
I find that odd. Just the HH? What about the Zaxby's in the area? Or the HD? Maybe I've seen too many tv shows/ watched too much ID channel where the "guilty" returned to the scene of the...
Maybe the person was asking to see if the HH did have cameras?? Fishing for info on cameras there or not?
Puzzling to me. Surprised this was not on Atlanta tv.
 
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Hi, I wondered aloud earlier if it might just be a normal joe like us. This person may have just said that they (police/investigators) need to review all tapes. They may have asked IF this HH's tapes had been requested.

Of course it could just be some oddball wannabe cop thinking he would do the work himself.

If they haven't found this curious gentleman by now, that fact might say something about the ability of the cops to, well, do their stuff...
 
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Why wouldn't the person call the sheriff or the tip line?
I find that odd. Just the HH? What about the Zaxby's in the area? Or the HD? Maybe I've seen too many tv shows/ watched too much ID channel where the "guilty" returned to the scene of the...
Maybe the person was asking to see if the HH did have cameras?? Fishing for info on cameras there or not?
Puzzling to me. Surprised this was not on Atlanta tv.


I don't think it was a big deal but sure could be wrong.
 
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How many reasons can we think of for any nutcase to take the head? Hide evidence? Sure. Evil wannabe doctor practicing? Maybe. The head was valuable as a symbol of something? Hmmm...

Don't apologize for thinking. Keep it up.


Thanks! It's the beheading that is driving me crazy!!!! WHY?????

Obviously both had head trauma. Did he knock Shirley in the head accidentally killing her or on purpose and maybe shoot Russell? Why the difference in weapons? Why did he take his head and leave the body? Why try to hide Shirley and leave Russell's body? Is this the organized and the dis-organized? The part that appears to be mob like and then un-mob like?

I'm going crazy thinking about this. :banghead:
 
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I keep asking myself "How mad would you have to be with someone to take their head?" Sills and FBI say it's personal. IIRC.

Why would you want the head?

This was not some crazed killer IMO. They did not have a trashed house, or stolen property, blood all over the place, etc. According to what I have read.

They/he/she went with the intent of doing bodily harm. Did they just walk in, hit each in the head hard enough to kill them without blood splatter and then what?? Oh wait, I need a head! Let me move his body and cut off his head. WHY?????

Any theories please respond. TIA
 
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Did he think he would cause great pain to the family to take Russell's head? IS that it? Take Shirley and dump her, no mother, grandmother, etc. Take his head, essentially no father, grandfather?
 
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I keep asking myself "How mad would you have to be with someone to take their head?" Sills and FBI say it's personal. IIRC.

Why would you want the head?

This was not some crazed killer IMO. They did not have a trashed house, or stolen property, etc. According to what I have read.

They/he/she went with the intent of doing bodily harm. Did they just walk in, hit each in the head hard enough to kill them without blood splatter and then what?? Oh wait, I need a head! Let me move his body and cut off his head. WHY?????

Any theories please respond. TIA

Reviewing Sheriff Sills' comment on movement of Mr. Dermond's body, he only said to the effect, "...maybe a couple of feet..." He did make any statement indicating it was a fact that the killing(s) took place elsewhere.

It is only an assumption that a boat was used to approach the home. It is not necessarily fact that a boat was used to remove/place/transport Mrs. Dermond's body.

Interesting quote from the sheriff, " ...placed..., or in the vicinity...", when referring to Mrs. Dermond's corpse location.
 
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