GA - Suspicion over heat death of Cooper, 22 mo., Cobb County, June 2014, #2

[tiredblondy]

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Ac3RAOPSRZw&feature=youtu.be

Thank you!
:seeya:

 

[Simply Caustic]

I have no idea. It really bothers me.

If the family wants to send a strong message of support, they should write a statement and allow it to be read. Using a child's obituary to do so is a disgrace, IMO.

I'm glad to see I wasn't alone. The portion of the obituary that mentions car, truck, vehicle, parking lot - for a child who died in a car, in a lot, left by his father...
Well, I find it unusual. Quite unusual, indeed.

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[CrazytownUSA]

First responders are witnesses, and I'm sure instructed not to speak about this investigation to media...as par for the course.

Keep in mind, the father had already moved the child away from the car and first responders respond to the child in need...not the inanimate vehicle. I'm not even sure if they were in the car, at all.

From what I recall, LE specifically said IN the car, when referring to the smell. My response was to another post that said there was no information from witnesses re: the smell, when clearly there has been info from first responders (LE) re: the smell.

 

[Spice]

BBM. This is the most telling to me. Even, if by some stretch, he didn't smell anything at lunch (Huge IF, IMO) then he certainly would have immediately upon entering the car after work. No way he would drive any distance without noticing.

Right.

And then why drive 1 mile away to the restaurant and jump out of the car screaming that his son was choking with his car reeking and his son obviously long expired.

He is SO guilty. That's why.

Even if he accidentally left him in the car (which I do NOT believe) he would have noticed the smell in the work parking lot. He would have called 911 right there.

Innocent people do not create elaborate lies. Guilty people do. Most parents would rather die themselves discovering such a fatal mistake. The last thing they would be thinking of would be how to cover their actions. Unless of course, it was a murder.

He sought out an AUDIENCE. It's sick.

 

[blue22]

I have been lurking on this thread and truly appreciate all the POVs posted here. I initially thought this was a horrible accident that is a parent's worst nightmare. I was not reading too much into his reactions at the scene as everyone reacts differently.

His statements about Cooper choking may have been a poor choice of wording. Having received patients in the ER that were DOA, I can attest to the fact that movement will cause the lungs to expel gurgling sounds. Bumps in the road or turns the car made would also cause expulsion of air, even though respiratory function had ceased. Gases from the bowels also make sounds upon expulsion.

The computer search is the most critical piece of information IMO. If the search was done prior to this horrific act, there is no doubt IMO that Cooper's death was pre-meditated and heinous. That is just not a random search.

I doubt Mr. Harris is faring well in jail as inmates even under the suspicion of child murder are subject to prison justice. Irregardless of his participation in his church and those in his church community supporting him, most of the sinners I know sit in the pews on Sunday. No one is without sin. JMV

But he didn't say he heard him choking while he was driving. He said he suddenly remembered he never took Cooper to daycare. He told witnesses (not LE in his statement or at the scene) that his son was choking.

 

[CrazytownUSA]

The obituary sounds like a defense attorney wrote it. :facepalm:

If the wife is still supporting the husband (I have not read anything in either direction the past few days) it would make sense for her to use the same attorney.

Can you link which obit you are referring to? The one from Legacy looks like many others that I have read when it comes to the loss of a child... sadly, I have seen too many lately. So I'm wondering which one you are referring to, since the Legacy one is clearly written by someone grieving and recalling memories of Cooper.

 

[newone]

She definitely needs one. They will need contact with her, and the smart thing is to have a lawyer present. Not only that, the police will be picking apart their lives, she is probably in no state to deal with what her rights are and such. I think anytime a spouse is charged with a serious and high profile crime, it's wise for the wife to have a lawyer guiding her through the process. She might now have one, but it's not smart.

I'd be wanting ((if I were her)) my own attorney.....the one for her husband needs to focus on him. I'd want my own to protect my interests.

 

[gngr~snap]

Early on, it was said that Dad did not have his cell phone which is why he ran into the restaurant screaming for people to call 911.

I wonder if that is true. And if so, if he could have purposely "forgot it" or let the battery die so that he could not be contacted on it?

But I don't see how that would really help him as I am sure that the daycare had his office number and his wife's phone numbers. The whole cell phone thing is weird.

That makes sense.

It's a good idea to not have your cell phone with you committing a crime. They have a nasty habit of pinging and showing where you went and for how long...
If will be interesting to hear about where his phone was.

 

[CrazytownUSA]

I believe the OP corrected her/himself. The only reference to 2:30 was one poster stating that she personally takes lunch at 2:30 in an effort to caution us against assuming "lunchtime" means "noon" to everyone. Nobody has stated what time the child is normally picked up from daycare.

That would be weirdo me :floorlaugh:, who just returned from lunch, LOL

 

[popsicle]

Thank you for clearing that up. The question still remains though that if DAD was the one to routinely drop off Cooper, how and why was that forgotten 1.2 something miles from where he had just put him in his car seat and went to work?

Even worse than that, it was 2/10 of a mile.

 

[Judicious1]

Just because a jury acquits doesn't mean the evidence wasn't there. Do you honestly believe OJ was innocent too? How about Robert Blake? Michael Jackson???

Before I respond I have to ask you one thing... Do you feel if a prosecutor can bring forward evidence at trial that equals all defendants are guilty? To me with out a confession or eye witness that's not true. Its all circumstantial at that point.

I don't think she was innocent I'm just saying with circumstantial evidence It either fits together to tells the actual turn of events or it doesn't. Being a juror still didn't understand how this little girl died and gave that statement to the media that tells me somewhere there is doubt something else could have happened and not all the prosecutions evidence was as solid as they believed it to be. Therefore nothing we say about how she died is fact. It our opinion based on what we heard presented as evidence.

And I think all the others were guilty as well. But I don't feel every person acquitted was actually guilty because prosecution had what they felt was evidence to the contrary just the ones you mentioned.

 

[blue22]

From what I recall, LE specifically said IN the car, when referring to the smell. My response was to another post that said there was no information from witnesses re: the smell, when clearly there has been info from first responders (LE) re: the smell.

Yes. I was taking about EMS and first responders that aren't LE. People were suggesting that they would have smelled it and aren't saying such. My respone, is they would have no need to be at or in the vehicle, since they respond to where the person is in need. The witnesses all said he carried his son, set him down, and they responded to where the boy was. NOT the vehicle. They would not be in the vehicle to smell.

 

[Threeplus1]

sadly that info can only be sourced at this time by a member who transcribed what was being said during the most recent presser.

I have found no MSM that states that is the case nor can I locate copy of raw video of that presser so for now I am considering that smell business - rumor.

Not disputing what the member heard, simply rolling according to WS TOS and their high standards. If no substantiating link can be provided it is not considered fact.

I was the member who attempted to document the press conference for those who couldn't watch. I fully understand your need to hear it for yourself, but I am NOT the only one who heard that there was an odor that police immediately noticed. It's not just one member saying there was an odor. I don't understand why there is not a video link to the press conference given by Officer Bowman, but I have searched for it to no avail.

 

[LinasK]

That makes sense.

It's a good idea to not have your cell phone with you committing a crime. They have a nasty habit of pinging and showing where you went and for how long...
If will be interesting to hear about where his phone was.

Turning them off can be incriminating too. A guy who drove to my area from Las Vegas just to murder his parents got convicted partially based on the amount of time his phone was off- drive time back and forth.

 

[tiredblondy]

Okay, I now give my full support to Vic Reynolds, even though I don't live in the state of Georgia. That was a political hit piece! What a bunch of garbage. The charges were NOT unsubstantiated. And Black Ops Helicopters, really???

Oh my gosh...what a load of :silenced::silenced::silenced::silenced:!!! I so agree with you!

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

Turning them off can be incriminating too. A guy who drove to my area from Las Vegas just to murder his parents got convicted partially based on the amount of time his phone was off- drive time back and forth.

Lest we forget Jodi Arias.

 

[blue22]

Can you link which obit you are referring to? The one from Legacy looks like many others that I have read when it comes to the loss of a child... sadly, I have seen too many lately. So I'm wondering which one you are referring to, since the Legacy one is clearly written by someone grieving and recalling memories of Cooper.

I think it's very clear they want the public to believe the father was the best dad ever. (Who just happens to be sitting in jail.) I think they used an obituary as a place to sway public opinion. JMO.

 

[Judicious1]

It's a fact that info has been leaked. LE leaks are typically done in an effort to let the public know the reason for something.

And felony murder didn't simply just "follow" felony child neglect. That was the primary charge. It's not just an incidental charge as your post infers. The DA has the choice as to whether or not to charge a person with felony murder. Here, they chose, for a reason.



Yes.
"The newspaper said the father conducted the search in the days before the June 18 incident in which he left 22-month-old Cooper inside an overheating SUV in the baking Georgia sun."
http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2014/06/dad_charged_in_sons_hot_car_de.html

The link you provided is quoting the
New York Daily news and I can not find one article they published that states that. This is a game changer if they did.,,

 

[tiredblondy]

I was the member who attempted to document the press conference for those who couldn't watch. I fully understand your need to hear it for yourself, but I am NOT the only one who heard that there was an odor that police immediately noticed. It's not just one member saying there was an odor. I don't understand why there is not a video link to the press conference given by Officer Bowman, but I have searched for it to no avail.

Blue found it. It's back a few pages. Here's the link...

http://www.myfoxatlanta.com/clip/103...-investigation

And in case I haven't told you-Thanks so much for your documentation of the press conference! I appreciate it a bunch!!! :seeya:

 

[LinasK]

Before I respond I have to ask you one thing... Do you feel if a prosecutor can bring forward evidence at trial that equals all defendants are guilty? To me with out a confession or eye witness that's not true. Its all circumstantial at that point.

I don't think she was innocent I'm just saying with circumstantial evidence It either fits together to tells the actual turn of events or it doesn't. Being a juror still didn't understand how this little girl died and gave that statement to the media that tells me somewhere there is doubt something else could have happened and not all the prosecutions evidence was as solid as they believed it to be. Therefore nothing we say about how she died is fact. It our opinion based on what we heard presented as evidence.

And I think all the others were guilty as well. But I don't feel every person acquitted was actually guilty because prosecution had what they felt was evidence to the contrary just the ones you mentioned.

Circumstantial evidence is often stronger than eyewitness testimony or confessions. Eyewitnesses often get it wrong- just watched an episode of Forensic Files where several witnesses to a rapist/serial killer all reported he was white. His DNA correctly identified him as black. They got him based on his DNA profile.
Confessions can also be false- see Mark Karr in the JonBenet Ramsey case, and Chuck Erickson in the murder of Kent Heithold, got Ryan Ferguson falsely convicted.
Does this answer your question?