GA - Suspicion over heat death of Cooper, 22 mo., Cobb County, June 2014, #2

[LisaB]

I think we're all here to discuss something more "sinister" as intimated by the Marietta Police and especially officer Pierce. Whether these charges are appropriate for an accidental death is not the issue...at least that's what Marietta police and the prosecutors would have us believe. They're even on the record as saying that these sorts of accidents do happen, but that is not what evidence suggests in this case. So... If the current charges are appropriate for accidental death, then this is no longer a case to be solved, but some sort of legal ethics discussion. I just want to make sure, lest we quickly forget, what the original charges and assertions were and hold LE accountable for their original assertions. Otherwise, we enter a legal realm of prosecution on innuendos and hunches that eventually lead to legal precedent.

Brian... The post you are remarking on was in response to a question posed by Judicious, regarding a hypothetical situation unrelated to the specifics of this incident. Follow along below and you will see that my remark was NOT as far out in left field as you imply. NOTHING I said relates to Harris leaving Cooper in the car last week. It has to do with culpability of a parent who falls asleep while watching a toddler, who then proceeds to fall into a pool and drown.

Originally Posted by Linda7NJ
IMO it's like having a built in swimming pool...sending your two year old out to play...while you nap....knowing they're prone to jumping in the pool and can't swim. Sinks like a rock.

The child jumps in and drowns....that's all you!

Originally Posted by Judicious
What about if you fall asleep on the couch and the child opens the door, walks out and jumps in the pool. Same charge?

Originally Posted by LisaB
Yep. That's what child locks and pool alarms and gates are for.

 

[Judicious1]

A couple of things...

I think some people are assuming since HD allowed a day care center to be on site implies they own and operate it. I'm pretty sure this is not the case. Kinda like a Starbucls in Target. Separate entities despite sharing an address.

I think the discussion about the daycare calling or not calling when a child is absent is starting to be like beating a dead horse. Every school has their own process and procedures. There is no law regulating this particular issue. Yes it would awesome to know but we don't . My child's preschool does not her old school did. I'm honestly not trying to be rude. Just saying...

Some of the planning theories I'm reading have so many confusing layers, what ifs and a long list of them. I don't think some one who plans a death makes it as complicated and confusing as some of you are suggesting. Especially if they want it to look like an accident. They also wouldn't leave then in a car to die and them try to pass it off a choking. Some might be stupid to research it on their work computer yes but on a whole when I look at the story and facts we have so far it seems more and more like desperate acts of a scared and desperate man not thinking about how rediculous his actions and stories are going to appear considering his child was clearly left in a car. This is my opinion. Yes I think a plan was made I just think it was a slammed together plan to avoid the stigma and a accusations that come along with forgetting your child in the car. I just don't see someone who acted in a calculated thought out manner.

 

[tlcya]

It is said that dad normally dropped Cooper off and mom picked Cooper up normally around 2:30 (will try to find that link but I read it within the last 24 hours)

I am curious what was different this day and why mom was not picking Cooper up as per the normal practice.

Because this means dad not only forgot to drop Cooper (which is his normal routine) AND forgot to pick him up (which allegedly is not his normal task)

so far only finding this as source for 2:30 mom routinely picks Cooper up

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still seeking MSM source to this info

 

[Judicious1]

Or he just refused to answer his phone knowing why they were calling...

I'm sure they then would have called mom.

 

[Chewy]

Sorry. I don't have them. It was discussed at length and heavily commented on this thread or near the end of the earlier one. I do believe the original poster linked.

Well if someone else could post them I'd appreciate it. I haven't seen anything about the cops directly stating this, just people "saying" the cops have said it.

I'll go do some searching myself. :seeya:

Found this, but nothing about a "smell"

nvestigators said patrol officers were in the area of the Akers Mill Square shopping center Wednesday when they observed a crowd of people gathered around a blue Hyundai Tucson.

“When officers began to investigate, they observed a child lying on the ground,” Cobb County police said in a press release. “As officers began to render medical treatment to the 22-month-old male child, it was discovered that he was deceased after apparently being left unattended in his car seat inside the vehicle.”

http://www.hlntv.com/article/2014/0...cobb-county-justin-ross-harris-charged-murder

 

[hikerchick]

If he didn't customarily pickup the child, who did? Also, where did you get that info from? Seems to me it would make sense if daycare was close to his work, he would be the one to customarily drop off and pick up the child. I guess that will be confirmed at some point down the road but for now I would like to know what your source of info is on that topic.

The mom usually picked him up aas she works part time. I have not seen a time yet though.

Also, lucky HD workers! The company must subsidize the daycare because that is cheap for a liscnsed facility!

 

[Judicious1]

It is said that dad normally dropped Cooper off and mom picked Cooper up normally around 2:30 (will try to find that link but I read it within the last 24 hours)

I am curious what was different this day and why mom was not picking Cooper up as per the normal practice.

Because this means dad not only forgot to drop Cooper (which is his normal routine) AND forgot to pick him up (which allegedly is not his normal task)

so far only finding this as source for 2:30 mom routinely picks Cooper up

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still seeking MSM source to this info

Be careful not to think times posted on here are valid unless a news article is confirming. To often people confuse things people post as facts and they are mostly speculations

 

[Baznme]

Well for one he doesn't normally pick up the child. 2 are you implying when he went to the at at noon (which time is uncomfirmed) to "discover" publicly but didnt because heard him choking? He would have been on camera regardless so I dont see a concern there. Its been established that Cooper could not have survived until noon. He was most likely deceased by 11am at the latest.

I see that info was reported but if it was his normal routine to drop the child off, apparantly it was already arranged that the child would not be picked up that day by Mom. That makes me even more suspicious.

 

[Spice]

Also, a medical expert has estimated that that Cooper would have been dead within one hour at those sweltering temperatures.

Bodily fluids leak immediately upon death and they SMELL.

Are we supposed to believe that Harris' oven of a car did not have an odor at noon? Or at the scene of staged discovery?

Honestly, that is just laughable.

 

[LinasK]

A couple of things...

I think some people are assuming since HD allowed a day care center to be on site implies they own and operate it. I'm pretty sure this is not the case. Kinda like a Starbucls in Target. Separate entities despite sharing an address.

I think the discussion about the daycare calling or not calling when a child is absent is starting to be like beating a dead horse. Every school has their own process and procedures. There is no law regulating this particular issue. Yes it would awesome to know but we don't . My child's preschool does not her old school did. I'm honestly not trying to be rude. Just saying...

Yeah, it is possible it was a drop-in daycare center, in which case, they may not make phone calls like a small regular daycare would.

 

[gngr~snap]

I agree.

It's evidence, period. If it were an adult, none of us would question the police not releasing evidence. This is a highly charged, highly emotional situation. People have to remember that this is state evidence, and letting any of it go is not part of protocol and can damage a case. LE can't abandon the protocol in handling of evidence, because a crime is more devastating than others. They simply can't.

Honest question here, I am not being snarky.

When my kids were infant/ toddlers it was 1991-1995.
Do parents honestly not have photos stored on zip drives or sim cards or in their cameras and cell phones?
I back my photos up to third party locations as well.
I could easily get pictures without my laptop and his job was computers, surely there wasnt only one location where the photos were - was there?

 

[Spice]

If he didn't customarily pickup the child, who did? Also, where did you get that info from? Seems to me it would make sense if daycare was close to his work, he would be the one to customarily drop off and pick up the child. I guess that will be confirmed at some point down the road but for now I would like to know what your source of info is on that topic.

It has been said that Mom picked up daily as she worked part time. Dad dropped off every morning.

Apparently that was the routine.

Soooo...Mom's plans had to have been changed for some reason that day or she would have picked Cooper up at daycare.

 

[Chewy]

Also, a medical expert has estimated that that Cooper would have been dead within one hour at those sweltering temperatures.

Bodily fluids leak immediately upon death and they SMELL.

Are we supposed to believe that Harris' car did not have an odor at noon? Or at the scene of staged discovery?

Honestly, that is just laughable.

My point is there is not EVIDENCE or witness statements that suggest that car smelled.

The witnesses have been very forthcoming about speaking to the press about what they observed. I haven't seen any statement from a witness that stated the car or the child smelled. Only speculation and theory.

That's fine, we're all doing that but slowly speculation and theory is getting morphed into people saying the COPS SAID IT and I haven't seen any evidence to back up that assertion.

And a unless the medical expert that examined Cooper's body stated that the evidence shows that the TOD was around 10 am stating what other medical experts who did not examine the body have suggested was "likely" is completely irrelevant.

 

[tiredblondy]

At that point one would think they would call Leanne, and she would be calling him asking where Cooper was.

Yep I thought of that and she might have been calling him too and he would not answer. Wish I could see the phone records.

 

[gngr~snap]

I don't see how that could be possible. If he was at work and the phones were not out of order - how could they have not have been able to contact him? And then would that not lead them to contact the mother? If he brings his child there every morning at a certain time and does not show up, does not call, etc. What if there had been a terrible car accident? This does not add up to me.... maybe I'm just stuck on this point but it seems pretty important to me.

Ahh... maybe he put the cell phone in the car because daycare was calling him? So just in case someone ran into him he wouldn't have the phone in his hand?
I don't know.

 

[Judicious1]

A damning Internet search related to manner of death.
Lying to LE, (Choking)
Acting in front of LE and First Responders.
A RIDICULOUS story ("forgetting" Cooper 2 minutes after eating with him)
Going BACK to the car and inexplicably NOT noticing his dead child
Driving around in a car with his dead child in the backseat.
Driving around in a car that reeked of the dead body of his child. As if maybe no one would notice.
Concocting an unbelievable story in a parking lot in front of many witnesses....acting, wanting SYMPATHY and apparently getting it.
The premeditation of the murder of his toddler

Most if not all of what you listed are not confirmed facts. Casey Anthony, unfortunately was found not guilty. Evidence at her trial can not be used as fact as it was clearly not enough to convince a jury that is what happened. Just me.
They were never ever able to prove she was deceased in that car. They didnt even convict her on the neglect charges.

 

[blue22]

My point is there is not EVIDENCE or witness statements that suggest that car smelled.

The witnesses have been very forthcoming about speaking to the press about what they observed. I haven't seen any statement from a witness that stated the car or the child smelled. Only speculation and theory.

That's fine, we're all doing that but slowly speculation and theory is getting morphed into people saying the COPS SAID IT and I haven't seen any evidence to back up that assertion.

The cops did say it, though. In the newscast I watched, they told the reporter that was the FIRST clue they had that his story wasn't right. Many of us watched that, we aren't making it up.

The fact is, witnesses are not allowed to be on top of the crime scene. He pulled the child OUT of the car and placed him down away from the car. There is not a single witness saying they were near the car or looking into the car. They were around the scene, or near the boy. I don't believe there are witness statements about smell, because they weren't near the vehicle and then not allowed to be near the vehicle, to smell it.

 

[newone]

Am I nuts? It's obviously an ad AGAINST Vic Reynolds, not for him...No?? I am confused that people are blaming Vic Reynolds for the ad....it was uploaded by "Ross Harris." Clearly not the actual Ross Harris, but clearly not a real "political ad" either, or they'd have to do the whole disclaimer thing at the end about who paid for the ad.

I just found the whole video freaky and creepy.....didn't understand it at all....

 

[LinasK]

Most if not all of what you listed are not confirmed facts. Casey Anthony, unfortunately was found not guilty. Evidence at her trial can not be used as fact as it was clearly not enough to convince a jury that is what happened. Just me.
They were never ever able to prove she was deceased in that car. They didnt even convict her on the neglect charges.

Just because a jury acquits doesn't mean the evidence wasn't there. Do you honestly believe OJ was innocent too? How about Robert Blake? Michael Jackson???

 

[tiredblondy]

My point is there is not EVIDENCE or witness statements that suggest that car smelled.

The witnesses have been very forthcoming about speaking to the press about what they observed. I haven't seen any statement from a witness that stated the car or the child smelled. Only speculation and theory.

That's fine, we're all doing that but slowly speculation and theory is getting morphed into people saying the COPS SAID IT and I haven't seen any evidence to back up that assertion.

I have seen an article or video that said the car smelled. I think it was a statement from a first responder or a police man. It maybe was a reporter stating that they talked to the source and reported it. Now if I can just find it. Sorry beforehand if I don't. I can't watch the video's again because I have limited wi-fi....Speaking of that - I really wish the news articles would state what's in the videos and so often there is different or more info in the videos...