GA - Suspicion over heat death of Cooper, 22 mo., Cobb County, June 2014, #2

[gitana1]

1. and 3. are not facts. They're inferences from LE leaks. And they charged him with first degree child neglect (from which felony murder follows, not vice versa as I'm sure you know) and then downgraded it to second degree child neglect, which requires criminal negligence, although the felony murder charge still applies because second degree child neglect is still a felony. jmo

It's a fact that info has been leaked. LE leaks are typically done in an effort to let the public know the reason for something.

And felony murder didn't simply just "follow" felony child neglect. That was the primary charge. It's not just an incidental charge as your post infers. The DA has the choice as to whether or not to charge a person with felony murder. Here, they chose, for a reason.

Could you provide a link for number 1? I haven't been able to find a timeframe for the internet search. Thanks!!

Yes.
"The newspaper said the father conducted the search in the days before the June 18 incident in which he left 22-month-old Cooper inside an overheating SUV in the baking Georgia sun."
http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2014/06/dad_charged_in_sons_hot_car_de.html

 

[Judicious1]

Well I asked one question about normal day care protocol and commented twice to other poster's answers. I am very sorry that you feel this constitutes "beating a dead horse"....

Obviously this does not FIT your scenario of what happened and therefore you dismiss it ....and yes I do feel your comment to me was rude.

How many other unknown facts have been discussed at length?

my comment was not directed just at you. Sorry if you feel it was and I that I was rude as it was not my intent which is why I attempted to point it out in my comment. Your post just happened to be the one I quoted. As far as "Fitting a scenario" its a big what if... We don't know so it can fot whatever scenario we want it to.

If you have kept up with this threads you would have seen many of my comments back and forth on both sides as to what I feel the scenario was. I am open to whatever the truth is. At this point I'm trying to review just the facts of what we know. If I considered every theory and didnt dismiss some I would have a head ache especially considering some of the twist and turns in the stories that people have suggested as a possibility. They are entitled to their opinion so I move on. I state my opinion and I'm sure many do the same to my comments. That's how message boards work in my mind.

And I don't think unknown facts should be discussed at length. I have said that in several comments. Mainly because people can end up seeing a comment so many times it becomes fact in their mind.

 

[Minette]

The boys obits leads me to believe Ross would have been welcomed at the funeral. He was first listed survivor and had other complimentary comments made on his behalf regarding parenting and relationship with Cooper. That's why the word barred bothered me. It implies it was just a legal issue when I believe it was just a denied request for an exception to leave jail for the burial of his son.

I wonder who actually wrote the obit? Some may assume it was the wife, but I wonder if it was actually the husband's parents.

I also wonder whether the wife has a separate attorney from the husband.

 

[Spice]

It's a fact that info has been leaked. LE leaks are typically done in an effort to let the public know the reason for something.

And felony murder didn't simply just "follow" felony child neglect. That was the primary charge. It's not just an incidental charge as your post infers. The DA has the choice as to whether or not to charge a person with felony murder. Here, they chose, for a reason.



Yes.
"The newspaper said [B]the father conducted the search in the days before the June 18 incident[/B] in which he left 22-month-old Cooper inside an overheating SUV in the baking Georgia sun."
http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2014/06/dad_charged_in_sons_hot_car_de.html

OMG. That is even more damning than the "day of". Wow. Just wow.

 

[blue22]

I am not sure why any of the witnesses would have gone into the car, but the first responders would have, and I do believe that is who said the car reeked so badly.

First responders are witnesses, and I'm sure instructed not to speak about this investigation to media...as par for the course.

Keep in mind, the father had already moved the child away from the car and first responders respond to the child in need...not the inanimate vehicle. I'm not even sure if they were in the car, at all.

 

[blue22]

It's a fact that info has been leaked. LE leaks are typically done in an effort to let the public know the reason for something.

And felony murder didn't simply just "follow" felony child neglect. That was the primary charge. It's not just an incidental charge as your post infers. The DA has the choice as to whether or not to charge a person with felony murder. Here, they chose, for a reason.



Yes.
"The newspaper said the father conducted the search in the days before the June 18 incident in which he left 22-month-old Cooper inside an overheating SUV in the baking Georgia sun."
http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2014/06/dad_charged_in_sons_hot_car_de.html

I am not sure that is a correct statement in the article unfortunately. As late as last night, the local news has said the police will not comment about the search, or the timing of the search. Even in articles today, I am reading the same thing.

 

[al66pine]

Ahh... maybe he put the cell phone in the car because daycare was calling him? So just in case someone ran into him he wouldn't have the phone in his hand?
I don't know.

seems likely, jmo, that daycare would have required multiple phone #'s, like Dad' cell & office landline, Mom's cell & work landline, home landline (if app).
Maybe other - third party contact phone #.

Seems likely, daycare policy, procedure would have required contact to all the numbers until employee talked w Dad, Mom, or Other.

But ppl get busy & distracted w other things, so compliance w procedure could be a sticking point here.

Mere speculation on my part.

 

[LisaB]

I was not leaping - I was asking a question and the word *assuming* was meant to be an explanation for why I was asking.... I just find it pretty unlikely that the Corporate Day Care did not question the absence of Cooper that morning. The logical thing in my mind is they called the father to check on him.

If they did not call then that is that. I would think this would be an unusual protocol but so be it.

If they DID call then either they were unable to reach him (as he was supposedly at work from 9 something until after 4 pm - why would that be?) OR they did reach him.

I'm not so sure we would know this - if LE would release this information. I believe they have something pretty substantial that we don't know about....I was just asking questions to see if this might be it.

Would be interested in your scenarios concerning this - Do you believe the Day Care did NOT try to contact Mr. Harris that morning?

If this was premeditated, and the daycare called his cell, he'd have had to let the call ring through to voicemail. If the "item" he put in the car at lunchtime was his phone, that could have been intentional, to explain him not answering the call, returning the message, and having been completely off his game that day in forgetting SEVERAL things in the car, not JUST Cooper. I do not mean to say they DID call or they DID NOT call, but that IF they did, he COULD NOT answer without blowing his story. The only way to dodge the call from daycare (IF ONE WAS MADE) would be having a dead battery or a missed call.

 

[Spice]

Early on, it was said that Dad did not have his cell phone which is why he ran into the restaurant screaming for people to call 911.

I wonder if that is true. And if so, if he could have purposely "forgot it" or let the battery die so that he could not be contacted on it?

But I don't see how that would really help him as I am sure that the daycare had his office number and his wife's phone numbers. The whole cell phone thing is weird.

 

[laceandruffles]

My whole point in this line of discussion, is it seems extremely far-fetched to me to think the daycare called and Harris lied about why Cooper wasn't there that day. There are a lot of things that can be speculated on, and might/might not be true - but I'm sure LE quickly interviewed the daycare and determined that no notification to the dad was made that day to alert him that Cooper hadn't arrived.

It's inconceivable to me that his family would be standing by him if that were the case.

Once questions like that enter a forum discussion, within a couple days they become "well, I read somewhere that the daycare called the dad that morning".[/QUOT.E]


We don't really know how the family is functioning privately. It could be one or two that are "standing by" him and the rest are not.

I know of a family where there son was recently charged and sent to prison for child distribution. The parents are in deep deep denial even when confronted with irrefutable evidence. Anyway, it has been my understanding that denial by close family members is their way of coping. That the reality is too painful to confront.

I would expect that close family members (parents, wife, siblings) to be in a state of denial at this time. The extended family is a different story.

 

[blue22]

I wonder who actually wrote the obit? Some may assume it was the wife, but I wonder if it was actually the husband's parents.

I also wonder whether the wife has a separate attorney from the husband.

The obituary sounds like a defense attorney wrote it. :facepalm:

If the wife is still supporting the husband (I have not read anything in either direction the past few days) it would make sense for her to use the same attorney.

 

[ERRN1313]

I know there has been a lot of speculation on motive and some have suggested possibly Cooper wasn't his, but with it noted that they had difficulty conceiving, I had the thought of "donor sperm". Maybe I am way "out there", but I only mention it because a friend of mine has been going through fertility treatments and donor sperm has been used. They actually purchased it through a sperm bank. But I had wondered even if a husband is OK with it at first, could he eventually become angry or resentful of the child not being "his"? I hope DNA was done if there is any doubt.

 

[tiredblondy]

A Georgia man searched the Internet for information on how long it takes an animal to die in a hot car in the days before his 22-month-old son died from overheating in a hot SUV, according to a report Wednesday.

At some point prior to the boy’s tragic death, which a coroner said Wednesday was from hyperthermia and declared a homicide, Harris searched on his work computer for details on animals dying in overheated cars, a source told the Fox affiliate.

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat...died-backseat-article-1.1843382#ixzz35rj5I0G0

Just like Gitana said----"It's a fact that info has been leaked. LE leaks are typically done in an effort to let the public know the reason for something.

I have found this to be true so often and also especially when this has been so emotional.

Also very interesting to me is that at first everyone was so supportive of the dad-but- it appears that support is weakening quickly.

Why would this petition below be dropped so quickly if people REALLY felt dad was not capable of such an event?


This week, the anonymous author of the petition to drop the murder charges faced by Justin Ross Harris has withdrawn his request, citing recent developments in the investigation by law enforcement agencies in Georgia that suggest death of Ross's infant son might have been more than an accident.
http://www.myfoxatlanta.com/story/25864933/sources-toddler-death

 

[tiredblondy]

The obituary sounds like a defense attorney wrote it. :facepalm:

If the wife is still supporting the husband (I have not read anything in either direction the past few days) it would make sense for her to use the same attorney.

My thoughts exactly.

 

[newone]

Honest question here, I am not being snarky.

When my kids were infant/ toddlers it was 1991-1995.
Do parents honestly not have photos stored on zip drives or sim cards or in their cameras and cell phones?
I back my photos up to third party locations as well.
I could easily get pictures without my laptop and his job was computers, surely there wasnt only one location where the photos were - was there?

and how many times do we email our friends and family with latest photos -- they would all have them and at a time like this would probably be happy to help LH get photos for the memorial service

 

[LisaB]

It is said that dad normally dropped Cooper off and mom picked Cooper up normally around 2:30 (will try to find that link but I read it within the last 24 hours)

I am curious what was different this day and why mom was not picking Cooper up as per the normal practice.

Because this means dad not only forgot to drop Cooper (which is his normal routine) AND forgot to pick him up (which allegedly is not his normal task)

so far only finding this as source for 2:30 mom routinely picks Cooper up

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still seeking MSM source to this info

I believe the OP corrected her/himself. The only reference to 2:30 was one poster stating that she personally takes lunch at 2:30 in an effort to caution us against assuming "lunchtime" means "noon" to everyone. Nobody has stated what time the child is normally picked up from daycare.

 

[LisaB]

I see that info was reported but if it was his normal routine to drop the child off, apparantly it was already arranged that the child would not be picked up that day by Mom. That makes me even more suspicious.

Really? Not being snarky, but where did you hear that?

 

[Chewy]

Early on, it was said that Dad did not have his cell phone which is why he ran into the restaurant screaming for people to call 911.

I wonder if that is true. And if so, if he could have purposely "forgot it" or let the battery die so that he could not be contacted on it?

But I don't see how that would really help him as I am sure that the daycare had his office number and his wife's phone numbers. The whole cell phone thing is weird.

Said by whom?

 

[JLSChook]

http://www.myfoxatlanta.com/clip/10303559/child-death-investigation

Thank you so much for posting this! I have been looking everywhere for it.

To me, this is now a fact. Yes, the reporter said it, but he did quote 2 different officers.

 

[LisaB]

http://www.myfoxatlanta.com/clip/10303559/child-death-investigation

37 seconds in.