GA - Suspicion over heat death of Cooper, 22 mo., Cobb County, June 2014, #2

[blue22]

I would have thrown up immediately.

I had a friend who got this car at an unbelievable price. Car ran great but she kept talking about a smell she could not get rid of. Long story short, I sat in it for a few seconds and said I think someone's died in here. ( you could not be in the car without the windows rolled down) She started investigating and yes a man had died in the car....there will be some odor forever.

I still can't get the freaking old banana and apple smell out of my car. I have tried everything and air fresheners make it worse. I gag every time I have to get in there. (My smell is much less today though, thank goodness.)

 

[blue22]

yes it does esp:
"He was loved and cherished and protected by both parents and all family members for his short 22 months of life...
Cooper loved trucks and cars and often told them bye as we left parking lots. He had just learned the color red and as we passed red vehicles, he would tell his mommy and his daddy "bye red car, bye red truck."

Why is cars and vehicles mentioned in an obituary about a child who died in one? This is a very sensitive word that is repeated many times in this short obit.
Asking for money in lieu of flowers for a special fund.

I have no idea. It really bothers me.

If the family wants to send a strong message of support, they should write a statement and allow it to be read. Using a child's obituary to do so is a disgrace, IMO.

 

[Spice]

Said by whom?

Again, early on in the original thread. I am discussing an old post and not taking it as fact. I think the cell phone information is confusing and weird especially that he did not appear to use his own but ran into a restaurant screaming for them to call 911.

 

[Baznme]

Why is it apparent mom arranged not to pick him up? This was never reported if so please post link. We don't even know mom and dads schedule. Only who normally dropped off and picked up. He worked IT. He could have left early the day of the death but he could have worked much later normally. Maybe mom worked until 4 or 5. Part time doesn't mean she got of at 2pm. Whatever the hours she apparently got off earlier. Even if its by an hour many parents will pick up the child then opposed to leaving them at daycare longer just because their spouse might be closer. There is a lot of assumptions being made on very little information.

Further upthread Judicious1, I read where the routine was that HE dropped Cooper off in the mornings at daycare and Mom picked him up around 2:30pm in the afternoon. That led me to believe that was the normal routine. I did not pull that out of a hat. If you're reading the same posts that I am, you should have seen the same thing. I am speculating based on what is being posted here and nothing else. Of course we don't have the facts. LE is keeping as much as possible under their hats and I hope they continue to do so actually so as not to chance ending up with a verdict like what we saw in the Casey Anthony case.

 

[Judicious1]

I stated that it "reminds" me of the CA case and that it had tones of it. I never ever stated that it was concretely the same.

And Casey may have not been found guilty but that does not by any stretch of the imagination mean that she is actually innocent. She got lucky and got away with murder. I am not going to get into what they did or did not prove, as I followed that trial from day one and know it like the back of my hand. They did prove that Caylee died in the trunk. That is NOT even arguable. Bodily fluids, and insect evidence told the story. Death Wax and Coffin Flies etc.

All of the things that I listed that reminded me of Casey's behavior during the murder investigation are facts and did happen regardless of the unfortunate travesty of a "verdict".

And that is what I was speaking too. The behaviors. It's simply my opinion. You do not have to see the similar tones, but I do.

She was a huge liar yes and to cover up a crime but I personally don't think the lying in this case comes close. The juror who spoke out said "no one could tell me for certain how this little girl died. So to the prosecutions theory wasn't proven. I felt she got away with murder as well doesn't mean what they said happened was in fact what happened. Many people who watched the news and followed the case from the beginning believed everything the read and heard on the news and why not. I mark that time as the time I started to become aware that reporters don't always get it right when they are trying to report real time and worse they don't shout the corrections as loudly as they did they bad info. A lot of people were disappointed with the outcome as was I but not everything we heard prior to the trial was correct. 88 web searches for chloroform would be one.

We don't have to debate this since we clearly have a difference of opinion. I'm just explaining why my opinion is what it is as you did above. Not to be argumentative

 

[newone]

She definitely needs one. They will need contact with her, and the smart thing is to have a lawyer present. Not only that, the police will be picking apart their lives, she is probably in no state to deal with what her rights are and such. I think anytime a spouse is charged with a serious and high profile crime, it's wise for the wife to have a lawyer guiding her through the process. She might now have one, but it's not smart.

When a person is grieving, they are very vulnerable and hurting deeply - they need a ''handler'' for sure.

 

[chlban]

I see this case as an opportunity to examine why parents who ''forget'' their kids in hot SUVs deserve a pass at all.

I believe it deserves the same ZERO TOLERANCE that we have for DUI.

I have to admit I am not really getting it either. Mine have been out of carseats and in their own cars for quite a few years now, but it was never a problem when they were young.

Currently I have dogs that I often take places, incuding doggie daycare (yes, I know, but what can I say, they are spoiled). They ride in the back seat as it is safer for them. I cannot imagine forgetting they are in the car.

I do think there should be consequences, even for those that really do it accidentally. I suppose the theory is they have been punished enough though.

I cannot imagine how you would ever live with such an "oversight".

Unfortunately, at this point, this case does not, IMO, appear to be an oversight.

 

[x_files]

I have no idea. It really bothers me.

If the family wants to send a strong message of support, they should write a statement and allow it to be read. Using a child's obituary to do so is a disgrace, IMO.

It reads as if carefully composed by the defense attorney. The family may honestly support him, they may be in denial and shock still. Who wants to believe their own son or husband willfully killed a child? horrible

 

[newone]

I have to admit I am not really getting it either. Mine have been out of carseats and in their own cars for quite a few years now, but it was never a problem when they were young.

Currently I have dogs that I often take places, incuding doggie daycare (yes, I know, but what can I say, they are spoiled). They ride in the back seat as it is safer for them. I cannot imagine forgetting they are in the car.

I do think there should be consequences, even for those that really do it accidentally. I suppose the theory is they have been punished enough though.

I cannot imagine how you would ever live with such an "oversight".

Unfortunately, at this point, this case does not, IMO, appear to be an oversight.

bbm

That same logic was applied years ago too though when people had been ''under the influence'', (guilty feelings) but we have now evolved to the point of zero tolerance for dui and it has made a difference.

 

[blue22]

I have to admit I am not really getting it either. Mine have been out of carseats and in their own cars for quite a few years now, but it was never a problem when they were young.

Currently I have dogs that I often take places, incuding doggie daycare (yes, I know, but what can I say, they are spoiled). They ride in the back seat as it is safer for them. I cannot imagine forgetting they are in the car.

I do think there should be consequences, even for those that really do it accidentally. I suppose the theory is they have been punished enough though.

I cannot imagine how you would ever live with such an "oversight".

Unfortunately, at this point, this case does not, IMO, appear to be an oversight.

Even when I have been pushed extremely out of routine on very little sleep, I never forgot a child. If someone was pushed out of their routine and there was a check for a million dollars in the back seat, does anyone really think their brain would convince them they already took it to the bank? No no no. (That's the excuse, that their brains think they already took the child.)

I don't know how someone would live with it, but I know they should have to and it should eat at them until they die.

 

[LisaB]

Further upthread Judicious1, I read where the routine was that HE dropped Cooper off in the mornings at daycare and Mom picked him up around 2:30pm in the afternoon. That led me to believe that was the normal routine. I did not pull that out of a hat. If you're reading the same posts that I am, you should have seen the same thing. I am speculating based on what is being posted here and nothing else. Of course we don't have the facts. LE is keeping as much as possible under their hats and I hope they continue to do so actually so as not to chance ending up with a verdict like what we saw in the Casey Anthony case.

The 2:30 time was a misunderstanding. One poster mentioned that SHE (the poster) takes her lunch break at 2:30, to explain that lunchtime is not synonymous with noon. NOBODY has said what time Cooper is normally picked up, only that his mother does it. When my DD was in daycare, I sometimes left her there an extra hour so I could go grocery shopping and unload the car first instead of taking her along. So the first one off work may NOT be the person who picks the child up, and the time each leaves work may be irrelevant.

 

[gngr~snap]

http://www.myfoxatlanta.com/clip/10303559/child-death-investigation

Thank you! I have looked all day I knew I heard it! I finally found the tweet.
Check out @RandyTravisFox5's Tweet: https://twitter.com/RandyTravisFox5/status/481907797299175424
Fox 5 claims "car stunk to high heavens when first responders got there."

Cobb law enforcement sources share "clue #1 he wasn't telling the truth" in case of dad who left baby in hot car. Exclusive at 6 #fox5atl
Cobb law enforcement sources: Dad drove car that "smelled to high heavens with dead son's body" 1.3 miles before stopping. #fox5atl

 

[carole]

Can someone put a link up to the video or direct me to a link? I missed it. Thanks

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Ac3RAOPSRZw&feature=youtu.be

 

[laceandruffles]

Why? She hasn't done anything wrong, no need of a criminal defense attorney.

She may not need a criminal defense attorney, but she could benefit from someone helping her understand the legal system. It can get complicated, confusing, and the legalize may need clarification.

 

[blue22]

The 2:30 time was a misunderstanding. One poster mentioned that SHE (the poster) takes her lunch break at 2:30, to explain that lunchtime is not synonymous with noon. NOBODY has said what time Cooper is normally picked up, only that his mother does it. When my DD was in daycare, I sometimes left her there an extra hour so I could go grocery shopping and unload the car first instead of taking her along. So the first one off work may NOT be the person who picks the child up, and the time each leaves work may be irrelevant.

I think the only thing that has been pretty confirmed, is that taking Cooper to daycare was the father's routine. There have been suggestions that the mother picked him up, because she worked part time. There has never been a confirm, that I know of. The 2:30 time was definitely a poster talking about how lunch can mean anything. You are totally correct.

 

[newone]

Can someone put a link up to the video or direct me to a link? I missed it. Thanks

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ac3RAOPSRZw&feature=youtu.be


I put it on the media thread too ((sticky thread of this forum))

 

[Baznme]

The 2:30 time was a misunderstanding. One poster mentioned that SHE (the poster) takes her lunch break at 2:30, to explain that lunchtime is not synonymous with noon. NOBODY has said what time Cooper is normally picked up, only that his mother does it. When my DD was in daycare, I sometimes left her there an extra hour so I could go grocery shopping and unload the car first instead of taking her along. So the first one off work may NOT be the person who picks the child up, and the time each leaves work may be irrelevant.

Thank you for clearing that up. The question still remains though that if DAD was the one to routinely drop off Cooper, how and why was that forgotten 1.2 something miles from where he had just put him in his car seat and went to work?

 

[Zuri]

I have been lurking on this thread and truly appreciate all the POVs posted here. I initially thought this was a horrible accident that is a parent's worst nightmare. I was not reading too much into his reactions at the scene as everyone reacts differently.

His statements about Cooper choking may have been a poor choice of wording. Having received patients in the ER that were DOA, I can attest to the fact that movement will cause the lungs to expel gurgling sounds. Bumps in the road or turns the car made would also cause expulsion of air, even though respiratory function had ceased. Gases from the bowels also make sounds upon expulsion.

The computer search is the most critical piece of information IMO. If the search was done prior to this horrific act, there is no doubt IMO that Cooper's death was pre-meditated and heinous. That is just not a random search.

I doubt Mr. Harris is faring well in jail as inmates even under the suspicion of child murder are subject to prison justice. Irregardless of his participation in his church and those in his church community supporting him, most of the sinners I know sit in the pews on Sunday. No one is without sin. JMV

 

[gngr~snap]

It's a fact that info has been leaked. LE leaks are typically done in an effort to let the public know the reason for something.

And felony murder didn't simply just "follow" felony child neglect. That was the primary charge. It's not just an incidental charge as your post infers. The DA has the choice as to whether or not to charge a person with felony murder. Here, they chose, for a reason.



Yes.
"The newspaper said the father conducted the search in the days before the June 18 incident in which he left 22-month-old Cooper inside an overheating SUV in the baking Georgia sun."
http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2014/06/dad_charged_in_sons_hot_car_de.html

OK I admit it. I am slow.
It just hit me. This happened 3 days after Father's Day.

Ugg... the timing!
At a time when a father should be full of joy about his boy.
moo

 

[LinasK]

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Ac3RAOPSRZw&feature=youtu.be

Okay, I now give my full support to Vic Reynolds, even though I don't live in the state of Georgia. That was a political hit piece! What a bunch of garbage. The charges were NOT unsubstantiated. And Black Ops Helicopters, really???